June 21, 2002, 05:30
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Why not Warrior Code?
I'm beginning to wonder.....Why shouldn't we research warrior code?
Archers have the same attack value as the War Chariot. Archers also have the same defense value as the War Chariot. However, they only have one movement which restricts how fast we can move. But it will probably be made up because we would not have to build a road through the jungle, or clear it...We could simply move our units. And the tech (Warrior Code) costs less than The Wheel. It seems to be the most logical choice...
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June 21, 2002, 05:38
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I have plead for this long ago. Glad to see, there is some insight and reason left in this government.
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June 21, 2002, 06:22
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I'm with you.
This plan is easier, safer, and can be implemented sooner.
In short, it is simply better. 
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June 21, 2002, 06:23
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
I have plead for this long ago. Glad to see, there is some insight and reason left in this government.
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Yes...I've actually been pondering this for quite a while, but I have found that sometimes the answer just pops up before you post it....
But I haven't been able to find ANY solution to this question. So I call to the people of Apolyton. Because as they continue to say, 107 minds are better than one.
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June 21, 2002, 07:09
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Since we have to fight with the French, I support Warrior Code too, instead of Alphabet(or whatever we chose).
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June 21, 2002, 08:48
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There is alos the simple fact that as long as we fight with archers and not UU´s there is no chance of triggering a golden age. Which while not bad to get early on, but with only two small cities stuck in jungle the size of the Michelin man, now that would be a waste.
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June 21, 2002, 10:30
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I would definitely pick warrior code over the useless wheel.
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June 21, 2002, 11:24
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I would definately pick a delayed victory over a long, protracted war with archers and spearmen.
fine. get warrior code. don't clear the jungle. the people have spoken and i will listen, no matter what i believe. i am a public servant.
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June 21, 2002, 11:49
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My "protracted wars" with archers and spearmen last about 10 turns. After this I mostly took the capital, razed another city and got one city and 2-3 techs for peace. That's all I want. The 2 taken cities are crap, true, but slow down the expansion of this AI severely, so that this AI will most likely be crippled and vassalized for the rest of the game. It may fail in 1 case out of 10, but then we have nothing lost, since after about 10 turns the AI is always willing to make peace and often even then gives free techs.
The key for ancient oscillating wars is:
1) Hit early.
2) Hit short.
3) Hit hard.
4) Go "visit" the next AI.
Pussyfooting too long while building a road and 20 WCs can make you face pikemen or even musketeers in Paris on Emperor. Do you want that, Uber?
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June 21, 2002, 11:53
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Ralph, you and I both KNOW this regime wont support oscillating wars. I KNOW how they work. I employ them in my games. I'd be LUCKY if i get ONE early war, never mind oscillating ones.
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June 21, 2002, 12:02
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I have encountered some insight and reason in the government. Tassadar would support to start with Warrior code, that is good for the first strike. But we need at least 2 productive cities with barracks to prepare it. Unfortunately we have wasted our free settler and 1 pop point in Apolyton. After our brave archers and spears take Paris, I bet we get the Wheel as prize. It's not too late for WC's, but it needs that big road. We can't wait so long, or the French will grow too strong.
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June 21, 2002, 12:11
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understood. all we have to do is rely on the other offices to build barracks, get WC, etc.
now they'll be happy to comply because they'll constrew it as a victory over the warmongers.
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June 21, 2002, 12:49
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hi ,
the faster the research , the faster we can get to war , for the warmongers that is , but we should go to war with some decent units , ....
have a nice day
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June 21, 2002, 13:44
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I say lets get warrior code. and head for monarchy. The sooner we can get out of this despotic sitiuation, the better off we all would be.
I just spent the day schleping all over this god-forsaken jungle to find some bananas (to feed the kids) when some big ugly looking grunt, with a club, took of them. He was clearly with the military, he called it road fees... I never even heard of rode fees. 
I know we have a good group of warriors, but some of them think they are the emporer. I think there is something top down happening ...its the way this government is run. I bet you a divine monarchy would prove most effectual in comparison.
I would work harder for my democraticly (what the hell is that)chosen leader that is percieved to be god appointed and that nobility is perpetuated through blood
If there roumors are true, and there is another group of folks to the north called the Franks or Friends or something like that. Maybe they know some things. Lets make them tell us before wiping them and taking their paradise.
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June 21, 2002, 13:51
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Who you callin grunt?
And I didn't touch your banannas!
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June 21, 2002, 13:55
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hi ,
we should go for republic , ....
then we have courthouse's on the way , so we can get more shields , ...
and we can fight more of those strawberry's , ...
have a nice day
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June 21, 2002, 14:37
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That may be a good idea. We are crossing over many offices here, however. Tech, Military, workers...perhaps you can all organize it into one thread for the people to vote? Plan for French, and all three agree to follow the vote.
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June 21, 2002, 14:39
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we're not here to debate our next government yet, we debating which war tech to get, more specifically, why warrior code is better than the wheel.
this post brought to you by supreme military commander UberKruX. Glory Comes From Spilt Blood.
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June 21, 2002, 14:44
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Though I have vouched for non-military techs, I think in this case Warrior Code would be best. WC just move faster than Archers, and we don't want to waste our GA with only 2 cities. However, once we have our army set up, we should first contact the Frence and demand a tech. That way we might have a chance of getting a free tech. If the refuse (which they most probably will), then we declare war, and destroy them with our archers.
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June 21, 2002, 14:50
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hi ,
with library's its next to nothing to get the warrior code , ....
have a nice day
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June 21, 2002, 15:11
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Originally posted by panag
hi ,
with library's its next to nothing to get the warrior code , ....
have a nice day
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its 3 expensive techs to libraries, and a few turns after to BUILD them, and with 2 cities it wouldnt matter that much anyway.
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June 21, 2002, 15:16
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As the people seem to want going to war with the French, we have to research the most efficient war techs. Warrior code is naturally the best option, as it is very unlikely we find horses in our surroundings, and because we wouldn't have to clear / road the jungle which protects us.
Uber : don't forget a "public servant" who claims to be it so much doesn't spam with his political concerns.
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June 21, 2002, 15:17
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hi ,
go the republic road , ...
why ,
well ,
writing , gives us embassies , so we can get more from the French , or other nations , ....
code of laws , courthouse , so we can make more banana's , that's shields , ...
republic , why , to get more shields , ...and a stronger nation .
literature , to get library's , to research faster the other tech's , ...
mapmaking , for harbors , to make veteran sea units , to by-pass that jungle faster (!!!)
and to get more food from sea resources , ...
have a nice day
Last edited by Panag; June 21, 2002 at 16:41.
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June 21, 2002, 15:46
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Warrior Code!
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June 21, 2002, 16:31
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Originally posted by panag
hi ,
go the republic road , ...
why ,
well ,
writing , gives us embassies , so we can get more from the French , or other nations , ....
code of laws , courthouse , so we can make more banana's , that's shields , ...
republic , why , to get more shields , ...and a stronger nation .
literature , to get library's , to reasearch faster the othe tech's , ...
mapmaking , for harbors , to make veteran sea units , to by-pass that jungle faster (!!!)
and to get more food from sea resources , ...
have a nice day
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No, right now would be a horrible time to research these. By the time were done, the French will have conquered us.
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June 21, 2002, 16:34
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the only non-weapon tech i would gladly accept as a choice is pottery.
our jungle impeeds growth, and graneries shall improve it.
but i'd really like a weapon soon
(keep in mind, i am again stating military needs only, i'm not considering money / tech / blah blah blah needs)
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June 21, 2002, 16:37
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Our other needs will be best served with Apolytonian troops marching through a burning Paris.
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June 21, 2002, 16:39
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Originally posted by skywalker
Our other needs will be best served with Apolytonian troops marching through a burning Paris.
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"Paris must not fall into the enemy's hands, but if it does, he
must find there nothing but a field of ruins."
after it fell...
"tell me so, yes or no, IS PARIS BURNING?"
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June 21, 2002, 16:59
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Originally posted by UberKruX
the only non-weapon tech i would gladly accept as a choice is pottery.
our jungle impeeds growth, and graneries shall improve it.
but i'd really like a weapon soon
(keep in mind, i am again stating military needs only, i'm not considering money / tech / blah blah blah needs)
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hi ,
at last a military guy who things for the future , ....
we can only get more units if we have more city's , and right now , we have a fish and a whale in front of the capital , with a harbor it shall even give more , ...
have a nice day
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June 21, 2002, 17:25
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Originally posted by UberKruX
"tell me so, yes or no, IS PARIS BURNING?"
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The funny thing is, we don't even know yet where Paris is. Build more exploring warriors. Save gold to trade maps as soon as the French have Map Making (won't take long). And strive for more contacts, they make techs cheaper and allow tech brokerage.
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