Thread Tools
Old June 22, 2002, 17:14   #31
Harovan
staff
PtWDG Gathering StormPtWDG2 Monty PythonC4DG Gathering Storm
Civ4: Colonization Content Editor
 
Local Time: 04:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 11,117
So why can't he tell us that himself?

Who supports Jonny, supports more jungle cities and corrupt ones, just like those he proposed in his illegitimate thread and such like already built. We can't afford more workers to clean more jungle cities. We have only one productive.
Harovan is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 17:44   #32
Timeline
King
 
Timeline's Avatar
 
Local Time: 22:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Sunshine State, USA
Posts: 1,104
Skywalker was/is the largest supporter of jungle cities> He pushed more than anyone for me to build "Thebes" where it is now...

My personal opinion is: Skywalker has no idea what he is doing. He is a "puppet" for the Imperialist/PFC assembly.
Timeline is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 18:06   #33
Kuciwalker
Deity
 
Kuciwalker's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 21,822
At the time, that was the best city site. You supported that decision too. I've defended your decision there; if my support was wrong, then you were doubly incompetent.

Sir Ralph, thank you for that suggestion. I generally don't build overlapping cities, so I didn't think of that. I'll put a lot of consideration into that.
__________________
[Obama] is either a troll or has no ****ing clue how government works - GePap
Later amendments to the Constitution don't supersede earlier amendments - GePap
Kuciwalker is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 18:08   #34
Panag
MacCivilization II Democracy Game: ExodusC4BtSDG Rabbits of Caerbannog
Emperor
 
Panag's Avatar
 
Local Time: 05:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Posts: 8,117
Quote:
Originally posted by Timeline
Skywalker was/is the largest supporter of jungle cities> He pushed more than anyone for me to build "Thebes" where it is now...

My personal opinion is: Skywalker has no idea what he is doing. He is a "puppet" for the Imperialist/PFC assembly.
hi ,

what should he have done , walk around more , ....

you cant blame him for the fact that the gods put us where we are now , ....

have a nice day
Panag is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 18:09   #35
Kuciwalker
Deity
 
Kuciwalker's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 21,822
Thank you panag.
__________________
[Obama] is either a troll or has no ****ing clue how government works - GePap
Later amendments to the Constitution don't supersede earlier amendments - GePap
Kuciwalker is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 18:13   #36
Harovan
staff
PtWDG Gathering StormPtWDG2 Monty PythonC4DG Gathering Storm
Civ4: Colonization Content Editor
 
Local Time: 04:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 11,117
That is all I want. When starting on a bad position, we need sometimes to reconsider our usual behavior. What use do we have from well-placed cities, if they do not grow and reproduce? We already have one jungle city. It can with a big effort get 2 productive tiles in 17 turns. After this, the new to built city should be improved with workers. Again clearing jungle would last too long. You are a warmonger. Jungle cities don't produce units, at least not quick enough. An archer in 20 turns, anyone?
Harovan is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 18:20   #37
Panag
MacCivilization II Democracy Game: ExodusC4BtSDG Rabbits of Caerbannog
Emperor
 
Panag's Avatar
 
Local Time: 05:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Posts: 8,117
Quote:
Originally posted by Sir Ralph
That is all I want. When starting on a bad position, we need sometimes to reconsider our usual behavior. What use do we have from well-placed cities, if they do not grow and reproduce? We already have one jungle city. It can with a big effort get 2 productive tiles in 17 turns. After this, the new to built city should be improved with workers. Again clearing jungle would last too long. You are a warmonger. Jungle cities don't produce units, at least not quick enough. An archer in 20 turns, anyone?
hi ,

look , nothing is lost , okay it shall take longer to civilize the surroundings of the jungle , but , they dont have to be the "key" in the nation , they could develop slowly , with the jungle cut down , and the bonus grassland irrigated , and the none B grass reforested they could do well by the third era , ... good enough to produce those few extra units that will make the difference , .....

have a nice day
Panag is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 18:24   #38
Kingof the Apes
Civilization III Democracy Game
Prince
 
Kingof the Apes's Avatar
 
Local Time: 19:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Call me KOTA
Posts: 365
Right now we should build workers more than settlers, as we need to clear land and there is no place to build a good city.
__________________
I'm going to rub some stakes on my face and pour beer on my chest while I listen Guns'nRoses welcome to the jungle and watch porno. Lesbian porno.
Supercitzen Pekka
Kingof the Apes is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 18:59   #39
Panag
MacCivilization II Democracy Game: ExodusC4BtSDG Rabbits of Caerbannog
Emperor
 
Panag's Avatar
 
Local Time: 05:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Posts: 8,117
Quote:
Originally posted by Kingof the Apes
Right now we should build workers more than settlers, as we need to clear land and there is no place to build a good city.
hi ,

there is land , after the jungle , ...

have a nice day
Panag is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 19:15   #40
Jonny
Civilization III Democracy GameNationStatesNever Ending StoriesGalCiv Apolyton EmpireC3C IDG: Apolyton TeamC3CDG The Lost Boys
 
Jonny's Avatar
 
Local Time: 22:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Nashville / St. Louis
Posts: 4,263
Sir Ralph:

How is my thread illegitimate?

And about me supporting jungle cities and corrupt cities: they're about the only things we have. So what if you have one good city site: where are going to build the cities after that?

And about your city site: It will probably only have one shield a turn, too, just like any other jungle city. Only one of those grassland squares have a shield, and the one with a shield is being used by Apolyton.

By the way, next time you (or anyone) have an idea about where to build a city, tell the IE Minister. We can't read your minds, you know.

Remember, Vote for Jonny. I listen to all the people and value their opinions, as I said earlier.

Don't vote for the UFC candidate! He seems to be a puppet for the UFC, and some of his supporters seem to be falling to the low level of having to use a 'smear campaign.'

Last edited by Jonny; June 22, 2002 at 19:23.
Jonny is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 19:18   #41
Inverse Icarus
Emperor
 
Inverse Icarus's Avatar
 
Local Time: 22:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: May 2001
Location: flying too low to the ground
Posts: 4,625
Quote:
Originally posted by Jonny
Don't vote for the UFC candidate! He seems to be a puppet for the UFC, and his supporters seem to be falling to the low level of having to use a 'smear campaign.'
i take offense to that.
__________________
"I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
- Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card
Inverse Icarus is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 19:25   #42
Jonny
Civilization III Democracy GameNationStatesNever Ending StoriesGalCiv Apolyton EmpireC3C IDG: Apolyton TeamC3CDG The Lost Boys
 
Jonny's Avatar
 
Local Time: 22:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Nashville / St. Louis
Posts: 4,263
Woah, that was a major typo on my part.

It should have said "some of his supporters."

My apologies to those who were offended that shouldn't have been offended.
Jonny is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 19:36   #43
Harovan
staff
PtWDG Gathering StormPtWDG2 Monty PythonC4DG Gathering Storm
Civ4: Colonization Content Editor
 
Local Time: 04:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 11,117
Quote:
Originally posted by Jonny
How is my thread illegitimate?
You have no right to take "official" polls until you are elected.

Quote:
And about me supporting jungle cities and corrupt cities: they're about the only things we have. So what if you have one good city site: where are going to build the cities after that?
I begin feel like a parrot. Everybody wants me to repeat the same. Ok, for those who understand slowly, here's the plan:

- Build 1 or even 2 more productive cities (see nye's plan, it's pretty good)
- Build barracks
- Build 6 archers and 2 spears
- give them to UberKrux, he'll make you space to settle.
- Build reinforcements
- Enjoy 1-2 cities, 2-3 techs and more room to settle he'll beat out of the French

The other plan is:

- Build more jungle cities
- Clean the jungle tiles
- In the early AD's we can have 4 productive cities.
- The same time the AI has 12 or 15 and is 10 techs ahead. Each.
- The game is most likely lost.

Simple.

You have the choice.
Harovan is offline  
Old June 22, 2002, 23:31   #44
civman2000
Civilization III Democracy GameCivilization II Democracy GameNationStatesNever Ending StoriesDiplomacyInterSite Democracy Game: Apolyton TeamPtWDG RoleplayC3C IDG: Apolyton Team
Emperor
 
civman2000's Avatar
 
Local Time: 21:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: May 2001
Location: of the Martian Empire
Posts: 4,969
Ralph: look at the poll thread, I explained exactly how the poll is legitimate by the code of laws. I'm beginning to feel like a parrot too
__________________
Ham grass chocolate.

"This should be the question they ask you before you get to vote. If you answer 'no', then they brand you with a giant red 'I' on your forehead and you are forever barred from taking part in the electoral process again."--KrazyHorse
"I'm so very glad KH is Canadian."--Donegeal
civman2000 is offline  
Old June 23, 2002, 03:21   #45
Harovan
staff
PtWDG Gathering StormPtWDG2 Monty PythonC4DG Gathering Storm
Civ4: Colonization Content Editor
 
Local Time: 04:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 11,117
If you call the unfinished constitution (which you are opposed to, btw) "code of laws", there is nothing about "deputies". Care to provide a link, fearless keeper of law and order?
Harovan is offline  
Old June 23, 2002, 07:31   #46
civman2000
Civilization III Democracy GameCivilization II Democracy GameNationStatesNever Ending StoriesDiplomacyInterSite Democracy Game: Apolyton TeamPtWDG RoleplayC3C IDG: Apolyton Team
Emperor
 
civman2000's Avatar
 
Local Time: 21:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: May 2001
Location: of the Martian Empire
Posts: 4,969
The code of laws says:
"Impeachment:
All members of our great nation are recognized the right to bring foreword the issue of impeachment of any government official at any time.

A poll will be posted which will expire in no less than 5 days. There are to be three poll options, yea, nay, and abstain. Upon the expiration of the poll, if 2/3 of the people who voted deem impeachment necessary, then the official shall be immediately removed from office. The President shall establish an emergency member to take his/her place until a new election can be held, and a new person voted into office to finish the term. The same holds true for any possible resignations."

Johnny is that person. SInce there is no info on resignation I think we can assume it works the same in that case.
__________________
Ham grass chocolate.

"This should be the question they ask you before you get to vote. If you answer 'no', then they brand you with a giant red 'I' on your forehead and you are forever barred from taking part in the electoral process again."--KrazyHorse
"I'm so very glad KH is Canadian."--Donegeal
civman2000 is offline  
Old June 23, 2002, 10:13   #47
Timeline
King
 
Timeline's Avatar
 
Local Time: 22:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Sunshine State, USA
Posts: 1,104
Look Ralph, I have not been impeached nor have I resigned, you can find no where that I did.

Out of respect for Trip's decision I have decided to stay back from IE work for a while and just serve in an advisory role to Jonny. This is because the President feels I should not continue my work here while running for another office. Although I disagree, I respect his decision because he is our leader.

Jonny has FULL AUTHORITY to take any action granted to that of the Imperial Expansion Minister, this is based on two grounds:

He was appointed by me as Deputy to take over should I ever be unable to.

He was the second most voted for candidate in the last election, making him the people's second choice.

That simple. This office requests you no longer declare his posts and polls illegitimate, as these allegations are incorrect.

Thank you.

Last edited by Timeline; June 23, 2002 at 11:36.
Timeline is offline  
Old June 23, 2002, 10:16   #48
civman2000
Civilization III Democracy GameCivilization II Democracy GameNationStatesNever Ending StoriesDiplomacyInterSite Democracy Game: Apolyton TeamPtWDG RoleplayC3C IDG: Apolyton Team
Emperor
 
civman2000's Avatar
 
Local Time: 21:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: May 2001
Location: of the Martian Empire
Posts: 4,969
TImeline: THose two reasons can still be rejected by our opponents because it is not in the code of laws. Thus there is a third reason that I mentioned above
__________________
Ham grass chocolate.

"This should be the question they ask you before you get to vote. If you answer 'no', then they brand you with a giant red 'I' on your forehead and you are forever barred from taking part in the electoral process again."--KrazyHorse
"I'm so very glad KH is Canadian."--Donegeal
civman2000 is offline  
Old June 23, 2002, 11:35   #49
Harovan
staff
PtWDG Gathering StormPtWDG2 Monty PythonC4DG Gathering Storm
Civ4: Colonization Content Editor
 
Local Time: 04:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 11,117
Quote:
Originally posted by civman2000
The President shall establish an emergency member to take his/her place until a new election can be helt
So has Trip established this "emergency member"? I must have missed that. Timeline is not the president. He may establish whom he wants and it's still not rightful.
Harovan is offline  
Old June 23, 2002, 11:38   #50
Timeline
King
 
Timeline's Avatar
 
Local Time: 22:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Sunshine State, USA
Posts: 1,104
Clearly, I am still in the position of "acting IE Minister" until the soon-to-be elections are held and I am replaced by either Skywalker or Jonny. Pending that election, I am responsible for all duties pertaining to this office.

Now, that being said, President Trip has requested I not exercise these authorities while running for another office. Now, under protest, I have chosen to respect that decision, and have allowed Jonny to oversee these responsibilities instead.

Last edited by Timeline; June 23, 2002 at 11:45.
Timeline is offline  
Old June 23, 2002, 11:49   #51
Harovan
staff
PtWDG Gathering StormPtWDG2 Monty PythonC4DG Gathering Storm
Civ4: Colonization Content Editor
 
Local Time: 04:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 11,117
My only concern is, that Jonny might hinder our collective effort, see Case Pink. He has proven, that he is not willing to take advice, with his words "if you don't like my ideas, run against me". And he has not approved the plan yet. I would feel better, if Timeline would simply remain in the office till the elections.
Harovan is offline  
Old June 23, 2002, 13:53   #52
Inverse Icarus
Emperor
 
Inverse Icarus's Avatar
 
Local Time: 22:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: May 2001
Location: flying too low to the ground
Posts: 4,625
Quote:
Originally posted by Sir Ralph
My only concern is, that Jonny might hinder our collective effort, see Case Pink. He has proven, that he is not willing to take advice, with his words "if you don't like my ideas, run against me". And he has not approved the plan yet. I would feel better, if Timeline would simply remain in the office till the elections.
anti-jonny position

pro-timeline position
__________________
"I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
- Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card
Inverse Icarus is offline  
Old June 23, 2002, 14:31   #53
Kuciwalker
Deity
 
Kuciwalker's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 21,822
Sir Ralph is pretty good overall.
__________________
[Obama] is either a troll or has no ****ing clue how government works - GePap
Later amendments to the Constitution don't supersede earlier amendments - GePap
Kuciwalker is offline  
Old June 24, 2002, 14:21   #54
Jonny
Civilization III Democracy GameNationStatesNever Ending StoriesGalCiv Apolyton EmpireC3C IDG: Apolyton TeamC3CDG The Lost Boys
 
Jonny's Avatar
 
Local Time: 22:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Nashville / St. Louis
Posts: 4,263
**bump**
Jonny is offline  
Old June 24, 2002, 14:24   #55
Kuciwalker
Deity
 
Kuciwalker's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 21,822
I think you should elect me for the post of Imperial Expansion Minister because:

I support a policy of rapid expansion that doesn't hurt our military or cause serious corruption problems.

I am on almost every day (I might miss a day or two per month) and will be available to listen to your opinions.

I won't follow a course of action until I am sure what the people want.

I will consider (in my report) every option proposed to me when advising our President, but will support whichever has the most votes.

I promise free bananas for all!
__________________
[Obama] is either a troll or has no ****ing clue how government works - GePap
Later amendments to the Constitution don't supersede earlier amendments - GePap
Kuciwalker is offline  
Old June 24, 2002, 14:25   #56
Panag
MacCivilization II Democracy Game: ExodusC4BtSDG Rabbits of Caerbannog
Emperor
 
Panag's Avatar
 
Local Time: 05:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Posts: 8,117
Quote:
Originally posted by skywalker
I think you should elect me for the post of Imperial Expansion Minister because:

I support a policy of rapid expansion that doesn't hurt our military or cause serious corruption problems.

I am on almost every day (I might miss a day or two per month) and will be available to listen to your opinions.

I won't follow a course of action until I am sure what the people want.

I will consider (in my report) every option proposed to me when advising our President, but will support whichever has the most votes.

I promise free bananas for all!
hi ,

, and what if you break your promises , ....

have a nice day
Panag is offline  
Old June 24, 2002, 14:29   #57
Kuciwalker
Deity
 
Kuciwalker's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 21,822
Then you impeach me, or don't elect me next time.
__________________
[Obama] is either a troll or has no ****ing clue how government works - GePap
Later amendments to the Constitution don't supersede earlier amendments - GePap
Kuciwalker is offline  
Old June 24, 2002, 14:35   #58
Panag
MacCivilization II Democracy Game: ExodusC4BtSDG Rabbits of Caerbannog
Emperor
 
Panag's Avatar
 
Local Time: 05:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Posts: 8,117
Quote:
Originally posted by skywalker
Then you impeach me, or don't elect me next time.
hi ,

, right , ........



so , how are you going to do all these things with what you have now , ....

care to tell your secret , ....

have a nice day
Panag is offline  
Old June 24, 2002, 14:46   #59
iain
Settler
 
iain's Avatar
 
Local Time: 03:02
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: herts
Posts: 27
wow with all this bickering and smearing, we really have created a Modern Democracy,
iain is offline  
Old June 24, 2002, 14:57   #60
Kuciwalker
Deity
 
Kuciwalker's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:02
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 21,822
How am I going to do all of these things ?

Well, I could surf the forum, maybe, and post polls, etc.

*GASP*
__________________
[Obama] is either a troll or has no ****ing clue how government works - GePap
Later amendments to the Constitution don't supersede earlier amendments - GePap
Kuciwalker is offline  
 

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 23:02.


Design by Vjacheslav Trushkin, color scheme by ColorizeIt!.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Apolyton Civilization Site | Copyright © The Apolyton Team