New York: British or American? - Page 2

star mouse · June 26, 2002, 02:22

What happens if accented letters are used in city names? Does the checking convert the letters to their unaccented equivalents before comparing?

Example: New Orleans and New Orléans - these should not be possible in the same game. (Possible French cities: Orléans, New Orléans; Possible American city: New Orleans)

Now imagine you owned both cities (because you're a rampaging warmonger). It's really going to be painful telling them apart.

Fredric Drum · June 26, 2002, 03:10

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Originally posted by Ribannah
There sure are a lot of them. The other half have native Amerind names, and the third half (mostly tiny villages) are named after their founder.

Not to forget the spanish names.

The Mad Monk · June 26, 2002, 04:10

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Originally posted by Andreiguy
In the game, the Egyptians have a city called "This". I guess it would make sense in Arabic. I recently got a report of "This is not growing, your grace". I also despise how Firaxis couldn't make just about 10 more city names for each civilization. Have you ever heard of a Frankfurt 2?

Thank you and goodbye.

Currently playing the Egypt, and, inspired by the way that name works, I rapidly founded:

That
The Other One
Nobody
Everybody
Somebody

and...

The Idiot Over There (or was it Thar? -- darn length limitations!)

Thrawn05 · June 26, 2002, 14:25

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Originally posted by SwitchMoO
Nothing quite like Happy Valley Goose Bay in Newfoundland and Labrador. Also in that province, Dildo.

That's what's missing.... Dildo, Pennsylvania!

Thrawn05 · June 26, 2002, 14:28

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Originally posted by star mouse
What happens if accented letters are used in city names? Does the checking convert the letters to their unaccented equivalents before comparing?

Example: New Orleans and New Orléans - these should not be possible in the same game. (Possible French cities: Orléans, New Orléans; Possible American city: New Orleans)

Now imagine you owned both cities (because you're a rampaging warmonger). It's really going to be painful telling them apart.

Accented letters are accepted. I already changed many of the Roman cities with the 'ae' in it to a 'æ'. So Cumae turns ***æ.

Damn you apolyton for your idiot censor!

SomeOneElse · June 26, 2002, 15:26

some weird Maryland cities:
theres a Pasadena, MD
and a Bel Air, MD (when I was little I thought the Fresh Prince of Bel Air took place there)

and a Berlin, MD

Andreiguy · June 26, 2002, 21:48

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Currently playing the Egypt, and, inspired by the way that name works, I rapidly founded...

Haha.

LOL about the censor. Blanking out the names of ancient cities, this really needs to be addressed!

Dis · June 26, 2002, 22:11

Dutch dammit

The Pioneer · June 27, 2002, 07:01

A very weird name that once saw was Cuba in Missouri.

Also to add to my comment above I have to say that I forgot the biggest one of all: Philadelphia (City of Brotherly Love!!!) is of course Greek /the name of course not the city itself

) It was the first capital of the newly established republic of the Americas, which goes to prove my point that lots and lots of cities in the States bare Greek names!

I am just wondering: How come?!

Andreiguy · June 27, 2002, 11:20

Thank you!!
I've been in an argument for a LONG time with a friend who claims Philadelphia is an Indian name. The "delphia" gives it away. It's Greek.

right again

...

Panag · June 27, 2002, 16:10

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Originally posted by Dissident
Dutch dammit

hi ,

, Amsterdam , Rotterdam , is that what you mean , ....

have a nice day

The Pioneer · June 27, 2002, 16:46

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Originally posted by Andreiguy
Thank you!!
I've been in an argument for a LONG time with a friend who claims Philadelphia is an Indian name. The "delphia" gives it away. It's Greek.

right again

...

Of course it's Greek. It means "Brotherly Love", everybody that lives around Philly knows that.

The name derives from two words:

Philia = Friendship
Adelphia = Brothers

As I said there are a lot of Greek named towns around!

spicytimothy · June 27, 2002, 17:26

This is my most successful thread ever. I can't believe a simple observation can generate such discussions...

Anyways, I just like to see the way the names work... last time i played, the Americans are destroyed then reborn, and before the Americans get to New York, the Brits build a New York near the original American area... and the Americans skipped that name... haha

in my personalized games, i put Hong Kong for both England and China and at the same place (like the order of cities)... this is a good gauge for me to traack who's doing better.

and just wanna point out, a lot of ppl replying are talking about who owns what cities in the first place etc... what's the point?? Hollywood is famous for US, as are Los Angeles, and all the others... the only reason i asked about New York is because the way cities are named in the game. I hope they do something with the "Beijing 2" thingy... The only place where i've seen this type of naming is in O'Brien's novel "Going After Cacciato"... he names villages in Vietnam 2s and 3s...

spicytimothy

Lucilla · June 27, 2002, 17:34

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Originally posted by Ribannah
There sure are a lot of them. The other half have native Amerind names, and the third half (mostly tiny villages) are named after their founder.

How many halfs does America have?

Sorry, I just had to pick on that one. But apart from the maths your right, of course.

SubLimey · June 28, 2002, 13:50

A few notes:
Both England and America have relatively major cities named Lincoln.
The original Philadelphia (or at least an ancient Philadelphia) seems to have been Roman even if the name is Greek. It is now known as Amman in Jordan.
In the great province of Ontario, we have a few oddities too- the city of Kitchener used to be Berlin, but was renamed during WW1 for the British general who invented the concentration camp (during the Boer War). In a similar vein, there is also a Swastika in Ontario. Not to mention Essex and Wyoming (there is also an Ontario in California). Personal favourites include Rutter, Dorking, and best of all Moonbeam.
One question - whats up with all the Lebanon's across the US? It seems like every state has at least one.

Gangerolf · June 28, 2002, 14:05

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Accented letters are accepted. I already changed many of the Roman cities with the 'ae' in it to a 'æ'. So Cumae turns ***æ.

how come it cencored ***æ and not Cumae?

you can also change Konigsberg into Königsberg and heaps others as well

Gangerolf · June 28, 2002, 14:09

...and even give the german cities german names, Cologne -> Köln, Munich -> München, Nuremberg -> Nürnberg.
and Moscow ->Moskva

Lucilla · June 28, 2002, 14:12

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Originally posted by Gangerolf
...and even give the german cities german names, Cologne -> Köln, Munich -> München, Nuremberg -> Nürnberg.
and Moscow ->Moskva

There's already a thread with city names

I prefer having cities in their original spelling.

Oerdin · June 28, 2002, 16:18

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Originally posted by OPD
I was in Hollywood the other day. Quite small, near Derby (UK).
Alot of American cities share names with small villages in England.

Ahh, but is your Hollywood over run with bulemic actresses and transvestite hookers? Didn't think so...

Kramerman · June 28, 2002, 17:05

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Ahh, but is your Hollywood over run with bulemic actresses and transvestite hookers? Didn't think so...

lol. Yep, from the description above, I'd say there is no way your Hollywood is better than ours. *chant* U S A, U S A, U S A.

Kman

Willem · June 29, 2002, 07:05

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Originally posted by Ribannah
The other half have native Amerind names, and the third half (mostly tiny villages) are named after their founder.

Huh? I see you didn't do well in math at school.

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Then again, America is a small village in The Netherlands ...

Or geography. You can sink all of Holland in any one of the Great Lakes, and still have room to spare.

Lucilla · June 29, 2002, 07:14

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Originally posted by Willem

Huh? I see you didn't do well in math at school.

Or geography. You can sink all of Holland in any one of the Great Lakes, and still have room to spare.

Speaking of geography: Holland is not the same as The Netherlands...

Willem · June 29, 2002, 07:27

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Originally posted by Lucilla

Speaking of geography: Holland is not the same as The Netherlands...

Yes I realize that, it's actually one of the provinces, but most people don't. Holland for North Americans at least means the same thing as The Netherlands does.

Fraze · June 29, 2002, 08:39

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Originally posted by Lucilla

Speaking of geography: Holland is not the same as The Netherlands...

I've always wondered about that, the two names are pretty much interchangeable in England too.

I always felt it was pretty unimaginative of colonists to name there towns after where they came from. Why can't they think up new names.

Lucilla · June 29, 2002, 08:46

There's heaps of people who'd say that Scottish, Welsh or even Irish people are English. In Germany (that's where I come from) people generally don't distinguish between England, the UK or Great Britain and Ireland. And I started using "The Netherlands" instead of "Holland" when I moved to The Netherlands, although I was aware of the difference beforehand.

Edit: Just to make sure that I'm not misunderstood: I think people should be aware the differences and use the terms accordingly.

Zachriel · June 29, 2002, 09:01

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Originally posted by Fraze
I've always wondered about that, the two names are pretty much interchangeable in England too.

I always felt it was pretty unimaginative of colonists to name there towns after where they came from. Why can't they think up new names.

Nostalgia.

HazieDaVampire · June 29, 2002, 09:39

NewYork is American, New York is English, there!

And this has had me confused for a while, is Prussia got somthing to do wit the Germans? Cuz in EE they had Prussian Cavalry in one of the WW1 missions

Lucilla · June 29, 2002, 10:44

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Originally posted by HazieDaVampire
And this has had me confused for a while, is Prussia got somthing to do wit the Germans? Cuz in EE they had Prussian Cavalry in one of the WW1 missions

Prussia has a lot to do with Germany. Here's part of the article about Prussia from the Encyclopedia Britannica:

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Prussia, German PREUSSEN, Polish PRUSY, in European history, any of certain areas of eastern and central Europe, respectively (1) the land of the Prussians on the southeastern coast of the Baltic Sea, which came under Polish and German rule in the Middle Ages; (2) the kingdom ruled from 1701 by the German Hohenzollern dynasty, including Prussia and Brandenburg, with Berlin as its capital, which seized much of northern Germany and western Poland in the 18th and 19th centuries and united Germany under its leadership in 1871; and (3) the Land (state) created after the fall of the Hohenzollerns in 1918, which included most of their former kingdom and which was abolished by the Allies in 1947 as part of the political reorganization of Germany after its defeat in World War II.

Kramerman · June 29, 2002, 11:38

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Holland for North Americans at least means the same thing as The Netherlands does.

Yeah, whats the deal with that. Wasn't "The Netherlands" once called Holland or something. Its just I've heard it refered to as Holland before, and I'm pretty sure they weren't talking about a province in "The Netherlands". I shall forever be suspicious of a country that puts "The" in their name though.

Fraze · June 29, 2002, 11:42

Like The United States of America for instance