toddler suicide bomber - Page 2

Kropotkin · June 28, 2002, 16:19

I don't have a clue who those people are Ioin. but that sounds like a real soup.

Sirotnikov · June 28, 2002, 17:42

Actually IDF recently said that they couldn't prove it's legitimacy and there are reportely unexplained dark spots on the picture... however it does appear as simply a black background to me. Some reporters are stoopeed.

Bereta_Eder · June 28, 2002, 17:53

that baby looks so cute

could be an israeli fake or could be true

no difference eitherway.

Sirotnikov · June 28, 2002, 17:54

I'm ooooooooohhh so very content.

Why?

Because the Palestinian officials have proven themselves to be liars.

Official palestinian response:

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Palestinian officials dismissed it as a propaganda trick.

"This is cheap Israeli propaganda. They are using this photo to justify Israeli crimes against the Palestinian people and to go on with their occupation of the Palestinian territories," Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo said.

"These photos can easily be forged and distributed, and this has been done by the Israeli media several times before."

source: reuters

But the truth is that the picture is real:

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The Palestinian family who photographed their baby dressed up as a suicide bomber has told Sky News it was a joke.

The Israeli Defence Forces found the photo during a search of a Palestinian militant's home in Hebron. The child was pictured wearing a belt of fake explosives and bullets.

But the family told Sky's Andrew Wilson the picture was "just a joke".

"The photograph was taken some time ago at a party when someone dressed up the cutest baby as a suicide bomber," one relative said.

The picture went around the world and became a symbol of despair for all those who want peace in the Middle East.

source: sky news

Some more from reuters:

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Ordinary Palestinians said if the photograph were genuine it was likely the child had been dressed up for fun and did not mean Palestinians were about to use children in suicide bombings -- something they have never done.

Children have been seen dressed up as suicide bombers at school ceremonies and rallies supporting militants spearheading a 21-month-old uprising against Israeli occupation.

Bereta_Eder · June 28, 2002, 17:55

and risking sounding desensitively out of subject
i have to correct you

britney is a virgin and will wait untill she gets married.

also pals never did any suicide attacks and israelis do not humiliate pals in daily bases.

Apocalypse · June 28, 2002, 17:57

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Originally posted by Richelieu
Are you related to Armageddon by any chance?

No, but there is more than one definition for Apocalypse.

Lemmy · June 28, 2002, 18:06

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Because the Palestinian officials have proven themselves to be liars.

no they didn't, they never said the photograph was a fake

They said the photo is being used for Isreali propaganda, and that seems true to me, especially since the family said it was a joke, and did not intend to sent the kid out on a Isreali bus or something

Lemmy · June 28, 2002, 18:07

well, maybve not never but not in your quote Siro.

chequita guevara · June 28, 2002, 18:30

How many children get dressed up as soldiers? Lots. What's the difference?

Apocalypse · June 28, 2002, 18:34

I was dressed up in an army uniform and had my picture taken when I was a little kid. I should scan it. I'll find it later tonight and post it.

DinoDoc · June 28, 2002, 18:34

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
How many children get dressed up as soldiers? Lots. What's the difference?

How many children get dressed up as Manson, Dhamer, etc.? There is a slight difference between a soldier and a terrorist.

Bereta_Eder · June 28, 2002, 18:37

the clothes yeah that's what we're talking about

Six Thousand Year Old Man · June 28, 2002, 21:34

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Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh
How about dressing as the Unibomber for Halloween, thats fairly cold and heartless. Thats me too

-FMK.

I looked and looked and looked and looked for OBL masks last Halloween. Maybe that was too early for that sort of humor?

lightblue · June 28, 2002, 21:41

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Originally posted by Richelieu
When i grow up, i wanna be dead.

This had me squirting beer out of my nostrils when i read it. Nice one

Sirotnikov · June 28, 2002, 23:06

I agree with lightblue about Richelieu's post.

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Originally posted by Lemmy
no they didn't, they never said the photograph was a fake

Hmm...

1) they say it's cheap israeli propoganda
2) they say it's easy to fake
3) they say israelis faked pictures before
conclusion: they say israelis easily faked this as part of their propoganda.

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They said the photo is being used for Isreali propaganda, and that seems true to me, especially since the family said it was a joke, and did not intend to sent the kid out on a Isreali bus or something

1. The family didn't come in contact with the soldiers. They found it while searching the house and released it to the press. In Israeli press IDF posted retractions, saying it couldn't verify this being real and can't determine it's source

2. the 'joke' really does show something about the palestinian mood and intentions.

TCO · June 28, 2002, 23:10

I agree. It does show their attitude.

Tuberski · June 28, 2002, 23:18

Besides, if the picture, IS authentic, why shouldn't it be used for propaganda?

Dr Strangelove · June 28, 2002, 23:45

If you think about it the people who should be upset by the picture should be the Palestinians. It rather mocks the seriousness of the bomber's sacrifice by infantilizing it, equating it with child's play. If I were Hamas I would pay that kid's parents a visit.

Nubclear · June 29, 2002, 00:37

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Originally posted by DinoDoc

How many children get dressed up as Manson, Dhamer, etc.? There is a slight difference between a soldier and a terrorist.

Depends on whos point of view your looking at. I mean from the Palestine point of view, they're not terrorists. They're liberators, trying to free palestine from the Israeli invaders.

From an Isreali (read, western) point of view, they are terrorists trying to kill innocent people at street corners.

But, to me this picture is sick, but ultimately unimportant. It's not going to kill anyone, it's not going to cause a major shift in Isreali policy, it isn't going to cause anything terrible to happen because frankly, it's not that important.

Just my $.02

TCO · June 29, 2002, 00:43

well from the point of dahmer, he was doing the right thing. From the point of the Nazis they were right...blah blah blah. Where do you stand?

At the least this is confirmation that the suicide bombings are not just from a few miscreants but are supported by the people.

DinoDoc · June 29, 2002, 01:29

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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Depends on whos point of view your looking at.

I don't care what POV your looking at it from. It's still wrong.

Nubclear · June 29, 2002, 02:42

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Originally posted by DinoDoc

I don't care what POV your looking at it from. It's still wrong.

This isn't quite as black and white as you think it is.

I mean, look at it from their point of view. Israel comes into their cities and destroys them, leaving death and destruction everywhere.....And the US bairly even acknowledges its happening. The only weapno they think they have are suicide bombs.

Admitantly yes, there are some who just want to eliminate Israel, but....You do have to see it from their point of view. There is more to it than us being the good guys and them being the bad guys.

However yes, this is sickening but as I stated before, this picture is (or should be) of very little concern, as it will not affect much.

Lemmy · June 29, 2002, 04:27

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1) they say it's cheap israeli propoganda
2) they say it's easy to fake
3) they say israelis faked pictures before
conclusion: they say israelis easily faked this as part of their propoganda.

again, they didn't actually say it, i think they know it's real, and that's why they're not claiming it as a fake, but they can raise suspicion about it by saying exactly those things. Basically they are saying it could be a fake, that the Isreali's could have faked it easily, but by not actually saying that they did, to me they are admitting the picture is real.

Rogan Josh · June 29, 2002, 04:42

So what if its real? It clearly isn't meant to be serious. It is just a sick joke - not something to condemn an entire people about.

I imagine you would have a pretty warped sense of humour too if foreign soldiers were buldozing your houses and killing your children.

Dr Strangelove · June 29, 2002, 08:25

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Originally posted by GP
well from the point of dahmer, he was doing the right thing. From the point of the Nazis they were right...blah blah blah. Where do you stand?

At the least this is confirmation that the suicide bombings are not just from a few miscreants but are supported by the people.

Did Dahlmer have an ideology? I thought that he was just a psychopathic cannibal?

Eli · June 29, 2002, 18:35

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Panag · June 29, 2002, 18:39

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Originally posted by Eli
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hi ,

have a nice night

Sirotnikov · June 29, 2002, 20:00

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At the least this is confirmation that the suicide bombings are not just from a few miscreants but are supported by the people

And most importantly - taught from very young age.

The PA is trying to say that the suicide bombing is a result of Israeli opression.

But the truth is, that it is part of their culture. The first ever suiciders, the Hashisheen were created in northern Palestine / Syria in the 11th (?) century.

What is also true but not mentioned enough, is that the PA makes sure to instill it in school and on TV.

Furthermore, it was reported on Israeli media, that Hamas recently made kids plays depicting the mutilation and execution of 2 Israeli soldiers in Ramallah that took place on December 2000.

And I've seen actual evidence (pictures, video) and read non-Israeli sources report about "terrorist summer camps" which were active even before Camp David.

Israel's point is that the peace process can't go anywhere, until the incitement stops, since this is the only guarantee of true peace.

Sirotnikov · June 29, 2002, 20:02

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again, they didn't actually say it, i think they know it's real, and that's why they're not claiming it as a fake, but they can raise suspicion about it by saying exactly those things. Basically they are saying it could be a fake, that the Isreali's could have faked it easily, but by not actually saying that they did, to me they are admitting the picture is real.

Well maybe you're different.

To me, raising suspicions about the picture being real, is like saying "the picture is fake" without spelling it out.

Bereta_Eder · June 29, 2002, 20:07

if this picture helps the world understand the drama that israelis are going through qwith suicide bombings then i say it is a good thing.

it is freakish but if it serves a purpose.