July 1, 2002, 10:16
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Fat Babies rumor of Infogrames
Fatbabies.com says this about Infogrames:
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6/6/02 Infogrames For Sale?
It is obvious that with $300m+ in debt Infogrames has seen its better days.
Check their current stock price here.
Who will buy them out? THQ or Activision or Electronic Arts? Or even Acclaim?
Infogrames has few brands despite having paid hundreds of millions to buy companies, so you can rule out the king of brands, Electronic Arts. With no sports line-up, EA won’t touch ‘em.
Will Bruno be ousted? We can only hope! That’s the only way his Ego will be tamed.
Most importantly, we’ve heard that Infogrames is currently not paying milestones. Their developers, large and small, are waiting for milestone payments. Infogrames’ fiscal year ends June 30 and the company is holding all payments to give the impression of a better cash position at the close of the accounting period.
Creative accounting at work again! Hello, Enron Jr.
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Any way, obviously I thought this was important to the community. Infogrames still owns the rights to civ sequels and Moo. So where it goes is important.
Secondly, if they are not paying milestone payments (a big if since it is a rumor) than Firaxis which has broken a million in sales with Civ III is probably one of those developers directly affected. Does this have an impact on future games? Does this change anything?
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July 1, 2002, 10:42
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well firaxis is also doing games with EA(last on simgolf) so they will have much less problems if something goes wrong with infogrames
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July 1, 2002, 15:57
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Originally posted by MarkG
well firaxis is also doing games with EA(last on simgolf) so they will have much less problems if something goes wrong with infogrames
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I understand that Mark for future games, but I would assume that Firaxis gets some sort of royalties for Civ III and will for PtW when that is released as well. If Infogrames is holding back funds then that is money that is not going to Firaxis that produced these games. I understand that funding for new games could easily come from their work with EA, but it has to hurt Firaxis not to be getting the profits they make off of Civ III.
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July 1, 2002, 16:24
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Hmm, it would be an interesting development if Activision bought Infogrames 
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July 1, 2002, 17:08
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Originally posted by Locutus
Hmm, it would be an interesting development if Activision bought Infogrames
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hi ,
 , they need to trown a lot of people out then , ...
and one thing they have to do is stay with there feet on the ground , ....
and not use the different prices like they do now , on volume yes , that is logical , but not a different price for two people , in the same street and same volume of software and buying history , ....
have a nice day
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July 1, 2002, 17:40
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Originally posted by Locutus
Hmm, it would be an interesting development if Activision bought Infogrames
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The latest publisher of Civ being bought out by a company that has given up on CivGaming?
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July 1, 2002, 22:01
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Maybe we could see Call To Play The World
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July 1, 2002, 23:28
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In software-speak "milestones" doesn't usually refer to royalty payments. It usually refers to the periodic payments developers receive from the publisher as they hit various milestones in the development cycle (eg. alpha code, beta code, gold code). Payments post-gold are usually in the form of bonuses. Royalties are only payable if the developer retained the copyright in the software. Which isn't that common.
If the rumour is true, Infogrames is essentially holding back on paying its suppliers till the next quarter. That doesn't necessarily mean anything funny is going on. Usually there is a grace period on paying your accounts payable. Many very succesful companies don't pay any bills till the last minute. Wal-mart is a great example. I've been told that they force their suppliers into accepting 90-120 day payment terms, essentially causing the suppliers to finance Wal-mart's inventory. Good trick if you have the power to pull it off.
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July 2, 2002, 00:17
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Civ III was such a crock - I hope they go down.
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July 2, 2002, 03:31
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Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
The latest publisher of Civ being bought out by a company hat has given up on CivGaming?
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I said it would be an interesting development, I didn't say it would be a good one  But still, it's not like Infogrames has been all that great for the genre (sueing fans, rip-off LE edition, etc)...
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July 2, 2002, 11:08
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But which misspelling is more disturbing, "fatbabes" or "infrogames"?
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July 2, 2002, 11:28
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what is it with the spelling of Infogrames? Does 'grames' even mean anything? Or was it supposed to be 'Infogames' and they couldn't be bothered changing it?
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July 2, 2002, 13:53
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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Civ III was such a crock - I hope they go down.
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hi ,
you cant blame Firaxis for that , blame infogrames , ....
and yes , they should act , it seems that when it was put out that they where rushing the game , and then the patches , the stock took a plunge , ....
maybe they learned there lesson now , ...
we can always hope , ...
and lets hope that when it comes to PTW , Firaxis uses someone else , ....
have a nice day
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July 2, 2002, 17:19
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Originally posted by zulu9812
what is it with the spelling of Infogrames? Does 'grames' even mean anything? Or was it supposed to be 'Infogames' and they couldn't be bothered changing it?
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I think it's suppose to be some sort of joke... 
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July 2, 2002, 17:49
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i figured that - quirky humour...
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July 2, 2002, 19:11
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I'm more worried about NWN than civ3.
NWN was shipped a little early. It still has some problems.
Damn Infogrames! Damn them all to hell!
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July 3, 2002, 12:43
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hi ,
intresting to walk in a shopping street in belgium , ...
shop 1 , civ3 , 49.95 euro 1.07f
shop 2 , civ3 , 45.99 euro 1.16f
in all ; 4 shops , 4 prices , .... 
the cheapest seems to be a cash and carry (shop 5) , 34.99 euro , ...but they only get ones a month somany games from infogrames , or should that read infog....
the way they deal , well , there are far more experienced dealers out there , smaller , yes , better , yes , ....
lets hope they dont go infogrames with PTW , ...
have a nice day
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July 3, 2002, 13:35
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The LOCIS database at the Library of Congress indicates that Infogrames Interactive, Inc. owns the copyright to CivIII. As such, Firaxis has no say in the matter. Infogrames will be the publisher of PTW.
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July 3, 2002, 14:28
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Originally posted by Echinda
The LOCIS database at the Library of Congress indicates that Infogrames Interactive, Inc. owns the copyright to CivIII. As such, Firaxis has no say in the matter. Infogrames will be the publisher of PTW.
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hi ,
, they could break the deal , why , well they dont do a good job 
and they should stop to play with their customers feet
 , some people did a check , a while ago , saying that they had problems , on the phone it was all about the graphics card and so , only 4 out of 108 calls was it suggested to update to the new patch , ..... 
at least Firaxis talks to us , .....the listen , give feedback and so on , ....
infogrames ; nothing , nada , zip , zero , ..... 
and when they do , ......pfffffffffff those calls where made in the two weeks after 1.21 , ....
have a nice day
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July 3, 2002, 14:38
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and they should stop to play with their customers feet
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So you ARE from belgium ( flanders)
I allways figured you were scandinavian
Well maybe you are, and just living in belgium off course
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July 3, 2002, 15:27
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Originally posted by alva848
So you ARE from belgium ( flanders)
I allways figured you were scandinavian
Well maybe you are, and just living in belgium off course
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hi ,
well , just for work sometimes
its intresting to see the difference in price in europe , ....
with the euro now its easy , but what a difference in each country , .....
have a nice day
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July 3, 2002, 15:38
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Originally posted by Locutus
I think it's suppose to be some sort of joke...
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What sort of joke could it possibly be?
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July 3, 2002, 16:46
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, they could break the deal
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Nope. Infogrames owns CivIII, not Firaxis, so there is no deal to break. Firaxis are just the hired hands. They could refuse to code PTW, but then Infogrames could just hire someone else.
It's like the builder of a house refusing to come back and build an addition. They may have built it, but after they sell it to me I can do what I want with it.
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July 3, 2002, 17:01
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Nope. Infogrames owns CivIII, not Firaxis, so there is no deal to break. Firaxis are just the hired hands. They could refuse to code PTW, but then Infogrames could just hire someone else.
It's like the builder of a house refusing to come back and build an addition. They may have built it, but after they sell it to me I can do what I want with it.
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hi ,
where is it written that they own it , ....
Sid would not do that , and since they are bad in their job , the contract should be broken , ......
PTW could be sold without the need from infogrames , ....
hire other people , , smell's like a courtcase , that Sid and Firaxis could take home , .....
have a nice day
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July 3, 2002, 17:13
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Echinda: Actually, Firaxis owns the trademark to PTW, not Infogrames. I assume that Firaxis will want to replicate the system across several of their games, not necessarily all of which are to be published by Infogrames.
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July 3, 2002, 17:14
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Originally posted by panag
where is it written that they own it , ....
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I already told you. The LOCIS database, which contains the names of all registered copyright owners in the US shows that Infogrames owns CivIII. I can't give you a direct link because you have to use telnet to access it, but go to http://www.copyright.gov/records/ and click the link that launches a telnet session and you can look it up yourself.
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Sid would not do that , and since they are bad in their job , the contract should be broken , ......
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Sid did do it, and there is no contract to break. A sale is a sale.
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PTW could be sold without the need from infogrames , ....
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As I said, no it can't. Infogrames owns CivIII. If Firaxis tried to sell PTW without their permission they would get their butts sued off.
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hire other people , , smell's like a courtcase , that Sid and Firaxis could take home , .....
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Firaxis didn't hire Infogrames. Infogrames hired Firaxis. There is no court case for Sid to bring.
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July 3, 2002, 17:16
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Echinda: Actually, Firaxis owns the trademark to PTW, not Infogrames. I assume that Firaxis will want to replicate the system across several of their games, not necessarily all of which are to be published by Infogrames.
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That sounds reasonable. But without Infogrames, there will be no CivIII PTW.
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July 3, 2002, 17:18
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Likewise, without Firaxis and the progress payments, there will be no CivIII PTW. 
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July 4, 2002, 23:32
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That sounds reasonable. But without Infogrames, there will be no CivIII PTW.
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Hm, if Infogrames goes down, nobody is going to own the Civ 3 trademark.
So there will be <em>Civ 3 PtW</em>
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July 5, 2002, 04:06
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these kind of companies are usually sold not closed...
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