How to become technologically advanced for 3 gpt and 58 gold

Spiffor · July 4, 2002, 17:58

First, here is a raw collection of all possible trades with the foreigners we know. I'll go to the point just after (you may not read the whole list)

France :
Iron Working for 3 gpt and 58 gold
Alphabet 78 gold
the wheel for 75 gold
mysticism for 76 gold

America :
IronW for 3 gpt and 66 gold
Alphabet for 84 gold
the wheel for 81 gold
mysticism for 82 gold

Greece :
Alphabet for 84 gold
the wheel for 81 gold
mysticism for 1 gpt and 64 gold

Persia :
Iron Working for 3 gpt and 71 gold
Alphabet for 1 gpt and 69 gold
the wheel for 84 gold

Iroquois :
Alphabet for 81 gold
the wheel for 78 gold

England :
Alphabet for 1 gpt and 66 gold

What's interesting is :
Iron Working for 3 gpt and 58 gold in France
mysticism for 1 gpt and 64 gold in Greece (they don't have Iron Working)
The Wheel for 78 gold by the Iroquois (they don't have Iron Working, nor Mysticism)
Alphabet for 1 gpt and 66 gold in England (they don't have either Iron, Mysticism and Wheel)

See ? Iron Working is the most valuable tech out there, and we can buy it. It's perfectly possible for us to tech-whore it, in order to get al other discovered techs, for free : the wheel, Mysticim and Alphabet are all cheaper than Iron Working, and tech devalutaion won't be that important, as some Civs we'll trade with son't know each other.
We could even have some money back in the process.

Here is the plan I strongly support :
- Let's buy Iron Working to the French.
- Let's buy Mysticism to the Greeks with IW
- Let's buy the wheel to the Iroquois with Mysticism or IW (whatever we decide)
- Let's buy Alphabet from the Brits with the less valuable tech. They couldn't give us money to fill the gap between Alphabet's and IW's value anyways.

With such a plan, we'll be on par with best Civs in the world, for a mere 3 gpt and 58 gold !
What do you think ?

enredao · July 4, 2002, 18:47

i like it

Timeline · July 4, 2002, 19:08

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Originally posted by enredao
i like it

Gosh Darnit!!!!!!! I was gonna say that........

ThePlagueRat · July 4, 2002, 19:22

I say, DO IT !

Aggie · July 4, 2002, 19:30

Good plan, may i suggest we poll this, just to be sure. It would be nice if we could pull this off, especially since it will only benifit 1 neighbor and that one only with money.
Aggie

Jon Shafer · July 4, 2002, 19:39

Alas, all will be for naught once we find ourselves 3 techs behind the turn after we pull it off.

Spiffor · July 4, 2002, 19:46

Except that we'll be 3 techs behind rather than 7

More seriously, our 4 tech late is the cumulated late from the beginning of the game (we traded only 2 techs until now IIRC).
We'll have to wait something like 10 turns to havve a new significative lag in the teh race.

Jon Shafer · July 4, 2002, 19:55

10 turns... comforting...

*Thinks...* I wonder if we can get nuclear fission by then... hmmm

rendelnep · July 4, 2002, 20:41

Um I am not certain about this but I do wish to point out but I think the number is infact 85 gold for france's iron working trade.
i check this from game year 2070bc. If I am in fact wrong then I will admit defeat at the hand of my leaders and bear the punishment of being rediculedin the streets and have 300 year old bananas thrown at me. Howevr I dot expec this for bad spellig

Spiffor · July 4, 2002, 20:57

rendelnep :
You're not ridiculous at all, as I forgot to mention all these prices are negociated. All prices you see in the list are the best possible deals we could work out with our allies. the French will sell Iron Working for 3gpt + 58 gold. They won't sell it for 3gpt + 57 gold.

As I pledged to the voters before getting elected minister of trade, I will not allow any mere coin to be wasted.

Actually, haggling this kind of "best deals" takes much time (I needed about an hour to make the complete list). That's why I think we should do the trade-whoring via the forum, if this is accepted : I don't want to make everybody wait during next turnchat when I'll haggle with the Greeks "Mysticism + money for Iron Working".

Darkworld Ark · July 4, 2002, 21:15

Sounds sound to me...

Ninot · July 4, 2002, 21:31

Sorry for my absence. Heck, im still absent!

Thanks Spiff for "updating" me on all the trade possibilities.

Also, good plan ya got there. I wish i could contribute, but I STILL don't have a video card, and im sleeping over at a friends house tonight. Only way I could check up.

I love your plan ideas tho. As long as we can postpone any and all trade with USA, I think its not a bad idea.

Wait, remember ive been semi AWOL... are we planning war with USA still?

I got some reading to do.

Good work tho.

Darkworld Ark · July 4, 2002, 21:39

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Originally posted by Ninot
Wait, remember ive been semi AWOL... are we planning war with USA still?

I got some reading to do.

Good work tho.

Last time I checked, we're still planning to invade America.

Robber Baron · July 4, 2002, 22:26

Wow, Spiff! A lot of dedicated work, and it looks like it should pay off. Nice work! (The details one accumulates in these democracy games, with so many people working on what seems on the face of things to be a straightforward and uninteresting game start, is really eye-opening.)

JSeeds · July 4, 2002, 22:33

Good stuff Spiffor! Lets poll this and make it so.

Inverse Icarus · July 4, 2002, 22:37

go for the tech whoreing. hope it works according to plan.

notyoueither · July 4, 2002, 22:49

A very good plan, even if only half the trades work out. Well done Spiff.

Fatwreck · July 4, 2002, 23:00

Enough said, right?

Nubclear · July 4, 2002, 23:34

Kloreep · July 5, 2002, 01:34

Go for it. We'll need Iron Working and The Wheel fairly soon, after all.

kring · July 5, 2002, 01:43

I agree, let's do it.

MrWhereItsAt · July 5, 2002, 04:41

I cringe at the GPT, but it seems I am in a minority of 1...

OK then, but what happens if we run out of money and default on payments?

notyoueither · July 5, 2002, 05:05

Right now we're earning 9gpt (I think). The french deal is done. Thank Jupiter and Rah!

Spiffor is proposing gaining 3 or 4 or 5 techs for 118 gold. Good deal, if it works.

redstar1 · July 5, 2002, 05:12

I think its a great plan and a great deal. We need to make sure it doesn't adversely affect the potential war with America though...

Guardian · July 5, 2002, 08:08

Papa Chubby · July 5, 2002, 09:05

Thats one plan that definately has my support. After all the complaining about the AI doing tech whoring, its nice to be able to give them a little bit back. Also, don´t we have 90% Tax just in order to take advantage of situations like this.

UnOrthOdOx · July 5, 2002, 09:36

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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
I cringe at the GPT, but it seems I am in a minority of 1...

OK then, but what happens if we run out of money and default on payments?

Not a minority of 1, but perhaps 2 at most...

3 GPT seems a hefty price to pay to me as well. Remember, soon we will have barracks comming online we will need to fund. Also giving GPT will mean we earn cash slower, therefore we research/ buy tech slower.

Iron Working, at present, offers us no real value. We are not likely to have Iron in the one mountain we own. The most it is good for is identifying targets.

I would suggest purchasing The Wheel. No, not for Chariots. If it so happens that we do, in fact, have horses locally, that will give us another GPT for ourselves.

OPD · July 5, 2002, 09:50

Theres a good probability that there will be horses nearby with such an otherwise poor starting location.

How do you rate the chances of anyone discovering riding before the first archers are built.

Sheik · July 5, 2002, 10:51

this is brilliant

Aggie · July 5, 2002, 11:08

Unorthodox, while i inderstand we probably won't have iron and thus can't use the tech, the whole plan hinges on us trading it to civs that don't have it. If we wait till later to get it, this opportunity will pass, since they will all trade it to each other.
Aggie