What exactly is Play the World

Standard User · July 5, 2002, 14:29

ive seen all this stuff about but what is it... an expanison, how much it gonna cost.

alva · July 5, 2002, 16:27

Price estimate = 30 us (not confirmed)
and yes, it's is an expansion

not certain if it's a standalone, but i don't think so

jdd2007 · July 5, 2002, 17:32

it will basically have new civs, scenarios, a few new features, scenario editor by then, and a few other things we arent aware of.

Standard User · July 5, 2002, 22:34

a scenario editor so we can place units like in ctp2. spectacular!!!

Solver · July 6, 2002, 08:02

A full scenario editor, placing units, cities, editing, triggers, etc. Also, of course, adding your own units, techs, etc. At least that's what they promise.

And that's also 8 new civs, as well as some new units, as well as a few new terrain improvements.

I must agree that we'd need a summary thread - what we know about PtW.

Comrade Tribune · July 7, 2002, 18:49

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Originally posted by Solver
A full scenario editor, placing units, cities, editing, triggers, etc. Also, of course, adding your own units, techs, etc. At least that's what they promise.

Didn´t they promise 'a full scenario editor' last time already?

For me it´s 'once bitten, twice shy'.

I find CivIII so boring, compared to its predecessors, I haven´t played a game in months.

I couldn´t even bring myself to download the latest patch; I simply do not bother about CivIII any more at all.

So one thing I promise is: I promise not to buy PtW. At least not before it´s down to less than $10.

Which may be soon enough, otoh.

alva · July 7, 2002, 21:22

But i guess , you do like the civIII-forum?

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MOHonor · July 7, 2002, 21:27

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Originally posted by alva848
But i guess , you do like the civIII-forum?

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HAW! Oh and the editor is coming out in a patch not in play the world.

Sabre2th · July 7, 2002, 22:08

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Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Didn´t they promise 'a full scenario editor' last time already?

Yes, and it's not out yet. It's coming in the next patch. They've admitted that they screwed up. Give them a chance to fix it.

Yeah it sucks that we have to buy multiplayer in an XP, but they've given what I think are at least somewhat acceptable reasons for it

alva · July 7, 2002, 23:55

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Originally posted by Comrade Tribune

Didn´t they promise 'a full scenario editor' last time already?

For me it´s 'once bitten, twice shy'.

I find CivIII so boring, compared to its predecessors, I haven´t played a game in months.

I couldn´t even bring myself to download the latest patch; I simply do not bother about CivIII any more at all.

So one thing I promise is: I promise not to buy PtW. At least not before it´s down to less than $10.

Which may be soon enough, otoh.

Please don't tell me you're related to coracle!!!

:;

Incan_Warrior · July 9, 2002, 16:45

I agree it would be nice to receive multiplayer for free, but Firaxis IS expanding on the virgin form of the game (which I'm surprised anyone would find boring). I think it's good they released multiplayer long after they released the initial game - now when people do play MP they will be seasoned gamers, rather than learning the game as they go.

Comrade Tribune · July 9, 2002, 18:01

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Originally posted by alva848
But i guess , you do like the civIII-forum?

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I do.

Comrade Tribune · July 9, 2002, 18:04

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Originally posted by Sabre2th
Yes, and it's not out yet. It's coming in the next patch.

I´ll believe that when I see it.

And when will that glorious, legendary patch happen to surface? Together with the 2nd Coming, I presume?

Comrade Tribune · July 9, 2002, 18:10

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Originally posted by Incan_Warrior
(which I'm surprised anyone would find boring).

If this were the General Forum, I would now simply bump one of the many 10-pages-long 'all the things to hate about civiii' threads.

But if you don´t believe me, ask Yin.

Coracle · July 9, 2002, 23:18

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Originally posted by Comrade Tribune

Didn´t they promise 'a full scenario editor' last time already?

For me it´s 'once bitten, twice shy'.

I find CivIII so boring, compared to its predecessors, I haven´t played a game in months.

I couldn´t even bring myself to download the latest patch; I simply do not bother about CivIII any more at all.

So one thing I promise is: I promise not to buy PtW. At least not before it´s down to less than $10.

Which may be soon enough, otoh.

You are wise, Comrade!!

PTW is merely a lot of SUPERFICIAL UNIMPORTANT STUFF slapped on to a very flawed system. Firaxis is going to stick us up for THIRTY bucks

for that - that after sticking me up for almost $70 last November for a beta game and useless Official Guide. It is like putting lipstick on the same old sow.

NO sale, Soren, Jeff.

Jon Shafer · July 9, 2002, 23:23

*Skips reading over Coracle's post because they all say the same thing*

I will laugh at you all when the patch is released in 2 or 3 weeks (yes, in two or three weeks. They're doing it right this time instead of like Civ 3 was).

Sabre2th · July 9, 2002, 23:27

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Originally posted by Trip
*Skips reading over Coracle's post because they all say the same thing*

I will laugh at you all when the patch is released in 2 or 3 weeks (yes, in two or three weeks. They're doing it right this time instead of like Civ 3 was).

Finally someone who isn't a complete pessimist

JtheJackal · July 9, 2002, 23:35

It's absolutely baffleing that someone could not like Civ 3 and like other games simliar to it. I wonder how you guys got a deffective copy?

dunk · July 10, 2002, 10:35

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Originally posted by Trip
*Skips reading over Coracle's post because they all say the same thing*

I will laugh at you all when the patch is released in 2 or 3 weeks (yes, in two or three weeks. They're doing it right this time instead of like Civ 3 was).

Coracle makes me laugh. He bought the strategy guide.

Dimorier Maximus · July 10, 2002, 13:02

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Originally posted by JtheJackal It's absolutely baffleing that someone could not like Civ 3 and like other games simliar to it. I wonder how you guys got a deffective copy?

I think the main thing people don't like, at least me, is how a Persian Immortal can kill a Rifleman. Have you ever tried that? It works. I win about 50% of the time. What's the use in advanced units with odds like that? Although, I must admit, I used to hate the game, but I'm beginning to like it more and more now.

JohnM2433 · July 10, 2002, 16:58

If I recall correctly, a rifleman has a defense of 6 and an Immortal has an attack of 4, so an Immortal should only beat a rifleman of equal rank some 2/5 of the time. Actually, I think the actual odds may be more complicated than that, since each fight goes on for several "rounds," but the odds should never be over 50%, and I think may even be somewhat lower than 40%.

zulu9812 · July 13, 2002, 12:24

Personally, i think Firaxis should bring out a military-themed XP called FTW...

asleepathewheel · July 13, 2002, 15:20

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Originally posted by zulu9812
Personally, i think Firaxis should bring out a military-themed XP called FTW...

nice

Taso_84 · July 14, 2002, 01:54

they better fix up diplomacy so that you can give and receive units from other players (without getting the tech)

Dimorier Maximus · July 14, 2002, 02:14

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Originally posted by JohnM2433 If I recall correctly, a rifleman has a defense of 6 and an Immortal has an attack of 4, so an Immortal should only beat a rifleman of equal rank some 2/5 of the time. Actually, I think the actual odds may be more complicated than that, since each fight goes on for several "rounds," but the odds should never be over 50%, and I think may even be somewhat lower than 40%.

If you think about it, what chance do some dudes with swords have against an army of men equipped with rifles?

Is it 40%? Is it 20%? No, I'd say it's more like 1%.

That is what I don't like. I mean, against muskets, sure...the sword army might have a chance due to inaccuracy and slow load times. But rifles? Give me a break. They can't defend or attack an army of riflemen and have a shot either way.

thinkingamer · July 14, 2002, 02:51

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Originally posted by Comrade Tribune

Didn´t they promise 'a full scenario editor' last time already?

For me it´s 'once bitten, twice shy'.

I find CivIII so boring, compared to its predecessors, I haven´t played a game in months.

I couldn´t even bring myself to download the latest patch; I simply do not bother about CivIII any more at all.

So one thing I promise is: I promise not to buy PtW. At least not before it´s down to less than $10.

Which may be soon enough, otoh.

I will not buy the expansion, except, if....... anyone (rich) who really enjoyed civ2 and smac (and totally hated civ3) recommends it, because the expansion is AT LEAST good as civ2 and SMAC. Oh, i also want an ACCESIBLE and DETAILED senario editor. Thank you.

JohnM2433 · July 14, 2002, 11:54

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Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
If you think about it, what chance do some dudes with swords have against an army of men equipped with rifles?

Is it 40%? Is it 20%? No, I'd say it's more like 1%.

That is what I don't like. I mean, against muskets, sure...the sword army might have a chance due to inaccuracy and slow load times. But rifles? Give me a break. They can't defend or attack an army of riflemen and have a shot either way.

Well, I'm not so sure about that. If the dudes with swords had metal armor or sheilds, that could protect them against rifle fire, I think. However, since the Immortals did *not* have these things, your point is well taken. In order to better reflect combat between units from different eras, the ratios of the attack and defense values of the more modern units to the more ancient ones would have to be even higher than they actually are in the game.

Now, the folks at Civ III might say that you can imagine these primative soldiers having more advanced technology in later eras, and thus being better at dealing with modern threats. And this would be fine if the units did not look exactly the same as they did in the ancient era, unlike settlers and workers. I mean, it seems absurd that a nation with nuclear power would ever use longbowmen for anything, even martial law.