Championship Manager ?s - Page 2

FrustratedPoet · July 24, 2002, 05:55

Yeah, I'd agree with that. If you're not a fan of football then you're unlikely to enjoy CM.

The earlier versions of the CM games (the original CM3 game, without expansions) are available very cheap now, for like £10 or something, and I would advise anyone to give them a try.
If you're not a football fan then the lack of up-to-date team rosters will pass unnoticed by you

and the older games are still very solid.

What's the worst that could happen?

ixnay · July 24, 2002, 13:52

I enjoy sports management sims (Out of the Park Baseball, Front Office Football, etc.) and I tried CM, but since I have almost no interest in or knowledge of soccer I found it almost impossible to get into.

Pavlov · July 24, 2002, 13:55

Hmm, if you guys like CM I better make a little ad for my favourite online game: www.hattrick.org

Have a look and see if you like it!

FrustratedPoet · July 24, 2002, 14:03

Looks very VERY interesting!

Thanks a lot for the link

I've signed up for an account, I've no idea how long it'll take for me to get a team, though.

At least 4 days, but the waiting list could be months.

Pavlov · July 24, 2002, 14:05

First of all congratulations! You won't regret it, trust me. What nation are you playing in? England?

alva · July 24, 2002, 14:07

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Originally posted by MattyBoy

...or are they for English Football junkies only?

Pretty much every important country is availlable to play with. They are very accurate too.

But the PL is the most fun though.

FrustratedPoet · July 24, 2002, 14:18

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Originally posted by Pavlov
First of all congratulations! You won't regret it, trust me. What nation are you playing in? England?

Yeah, I'm in England. The Oxfordshire Region. My team is the PoetStars. The name sounded good at the time, but now I realise it looks a bit like PornStars ...

... oh well.

There are 70 people on the waiting list, but 20 people got access today (according to their site) so I should get going in 4 or 5 days .... I hope.

Any must-know hints or tips about playing this game?

Pavlov · July 24, 2002, 14:35

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Originally posted by FrustratedPoet

Yeah, I'm in England. The Oxfordshire Region. My team is the PoetStars. The name sounded good at the time, but now I realise it looks a bit like PornStars ...

... oh well.

There are 70 people on the waiting list, but 20 people got access today (according to their site) so I should get going in 4 or 5 days .... I hope.

Any must-know hints or tips about playing this game?

Oh, ok. Since I am from Sweden I had to wait three months to get my team.

20 ppl/day is prolly right, you should be playing in no-time.

Once you get a team you can change the name but that costs some money. (Game money, not real)

Hints and tips? Hmm. The miefield is the most important part of the game. That's where you win ball possession to make goals. Because of that most teams play with 3-4-3 or 3-5-2. Make sure to read and re-read the rules! Try to learn the designations for player. (The scale that says how good they are.) You won't be able to know them right away but after a couple of months of playing...

Ask! Use the conference to ask, but read some older threads first to learn the FAQ's.

I'm not really the guy for complicated questions, I've only been playing for six months.

If you have any other questions feel free to PM me. I have some friends who are genuine HT-veterans.

Good luck and have fun!

Maquiladora · July 24, 2002, 14:48

Sounds interesting, i just signed up anyhow.

Pavlov · July 24, 2002, 14:54

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Originally posted by Maquiladora
Sounds interesting, i just signed up anyhow.

Welcome! This totally beats the time I tried to recruit members in the OT-forum, then only one person joined.

Might I suggest that you convince a friend to join? it's always funnier to play this if you're two or more. I spend all my days at school talking to my friends about Hattrick.

Maquiladora · July 24, 2002, 15:00

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Welcome! This totally beats the time I tried to recruit members in the OT-forum, then only one person joined.

Shouldnt you be getting some sort of commission from hattrick?

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Might I suggest that you convince a friend to join? it's always funnier to play this if you're two or more. I spend all my days at school talking to my friends about Hattrick.

Ill certainly try, a few guys play CM alot more than me. With my civ addiction an all.

Pavlov · July 24, 2002, 15:25

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Originally posted by Maquiladora
Shouldnt you be getting some sort of commission from hattrick?

Haha, I should apply for that.

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Ill certainly try, a few guys play CM alot more than me. With my civ addiction an all.

Great! Though I have to warn you that this is VERY addictive. Hasn't exactly helped my grades.

Anyway, those tips I posted apply to you to obviously.

MattyBoy · July 24, 2002, 22:34

Thanks for the feedback.
I'll stay away from CM's for now.

Very cool avatar, Alva.

Marquis de Sodaq · July 25, 2002, 13:31

Allright, where the hell do you actually purchase CM? Edit: [breath deeply] OK, I'm calm now... [/breath deeply]

FrustratedPoet · July 25, 2002, 13:36

4 minutes of searching later...

Chips&Bits have it: http://www.cdmag.com/cgi-bin/order.cbi_home

the exact link follows:
http://www.cdmag.com/cgi-bin/order.c...&add=CHAMM6.IR

You just need to know where to look.

(I just searched google for "buy championship manager" ... that was the top link.)

Marquis de Sodaq · July 25, 2002, 13:42

Thanks, FrustratedPoet! I was just using the default search engine on Internet Explorer. Leave it to microsoft to bumble things up...

Is there any reason to download any of the patches (I know where those are

) before getting used to the game?

FrustratedPoet · July 25, 2002, 13:46

I don't really think there's any need to, but it couldn't hurt. There are always a few small glitches in a game that need working out.

You'll have to wait a while before the game arrives anyway, so you may as well download the latest patch while you wait.

It's not compulsory by any means, though. I had my game un-patched until about 2 or 3 months ago and it worked fine.

You might want a data update, though ... to make the team rosters current. There should be some decent fan-made ones on all those sites you trawled through today.

The Rusty Gamer · July 26, 2002, 01:10

Well, I got a little disillusioned with CM and have left it for now (I've got so many other games to get my attention anyway). The problem was I had saved just before a certain match. Before half-time I was winning 4-0 so I withdrew my men into defense mode and what happened? The opposition came back to win 5-4 or some such. so I thought that I shouldn't have withdrawn into defense but no matter how many times I reloaded the game and replayed the match I have nver been able to get back to the result of leading by 4 goals. No matter what I do, the other team keeps winning. And the results seem so different each time, almost arbitrary. A bit like reloading a civ3 game just before entering a goodie hut and getting something different each time. Do the decisions I make really for each match really make that much difference? It's too random making the game a bit empty. Or have I missed something?

Maquiladora · July 26, 2002, 04:12

Personally i never use defensive mentality and very rarely use men behind ball. I only use men behind ball when im holding a one goal lead in the last 10/15 minutes. And i would only consider using defensive mentality in the first half of a particularly difficult away match.

Like real football (and it is) there is always a random factor. Just make sure you put out the best 11 on the day, best fitness morale form etc.

Try downloading one of the killer tactics, as thats whats really going to win you ALOT of games, thats if you dont want to play 15 or so matches finding your own tactic. CM01/02 is alot about tactics, more specifically the "with/without ball" screens.

Footie Mad · July 26, 2002, 07:39

The AI often use attacking wingers so man marking one or both of them will often do you good, just a little tip.

Standup · July 26, 2002, 19:31

I could cope with a degree of randomness if there was better feedback. All to often i have no idea why i lost (or won sometimes).
Most recent example was undefeated about 8 games in, playing the near bottom team with only a few draws to their name. I lose 4-1 despite more possesion, tackles,shots on goal, passes completed etc. Not even the normal the goalie has a bad day - he got a seven. Now its it possible that it was a fairly even match and they just got the breaks but i have no idea. The commentary suggested it was pretty even.
I'm sure the changes i make to the team do matter but its difficult to work out why when there are a lot of other variables.

Sten Sture · July 31, 2002, 00:27

true, the game feedback could be a lot better.

In the States United, I think the only way to get CM01/02 is thru either www.uslsoccer.com or www.umbro.com

I think I had to get my copy from the USL site. My CM adicted co-worker just moved to Denver, so now I have to email him with updates...

Marquis de Sodaq · August 1, 2002, 11:42

I finally have it! Dirk Dork is set to lead Ajax to ... uh, glory, hopefully.

How much effort should I put into (this is my very first time playing) scouting for new players? Before even playing my first league game, is it worth going fishing for new talent? Or should I wait until some numb-nuts prove their incompetence?

I understand the basic ideas behind it all, but want to know if it's better to wait for the duds to emerge than to try to nab somebody with better attributes before the season begins. (My board approved up to 14 million pounds to net somebody)

Maquiladora · August 1, 2002, 22:21

Id wait for the dead wood to out, then replace them. At this stage it should be fairly easy to spot the crappy youngsters that will never become talents, so release them on a free transfer if it costs less than about £100,000.
Put your best scouts on scouting for players in Scandinavia/South America/Africa. Leave one at home. No harm in scouting.

Footie Mad · August 4, 2002, 06:54

You cant really go wrong with Ajax since they are such a big club in Holland. Just pick youre best players and use a decent tactic and you'll win the league with ease.

Marquis de Sodaq · August 5, 2002, 10:03

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Originally posted by Wille
You cant really go wrong with Ajax since they are such a big club in Holland. Just pick youre best players and use a decent tactic and you'll win the league with ease.

...Unless you lose 2 left side defenders to injury in your opening game!

It only cost me a champions league continuation, hello UEFA.

The defense resembles swiss cheese right now.

I've yet to have a transfer offer accepted (only about 5 matches into the game thus far), even for cheap 2nd division klutzes. How much $ do you need to offer to get them to part with their beloved stars? I've tried no more than about double their listed values.

Maquiladora · August 5, 2002, 11:05

Well it depends how much that player means to their squad. If he's seen as indespensible then youll probably have to go 3 times as much. If hes a hot prospect for their team its even harder, because they know they can get ALOT more if they hang onto him for a few more years. Young (16-24), excellent players are the hardest to buy. If your buying from the same league in Holland and they disagree because they "do not want to sell to a club in same division", just give up because they hardly ever sell.

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The defense resembles swiss cheese right now.

Are you playing a strong defensive midfielder (DM/C) in front of the defence? That would certainly help.

Marquis de Sodaq · August 5, 2002, 12:39

Thanks for the tip. I've only tried to pilfer one Premier Dutch league player. The others have been foreign, some from the Dutch First Division. Several times I have seen the response that the player is "indispensible." Which is, of course, why I want him.

Maybe I can land a trade now...

I've been toying with different lineups in my midfield. All that is clear thus far is that playing an attacking style is the only effective way to keep the opponent away from my net. Playing a defensive posture has led to giving up goals. My two most effective center midfielders are defensive mids.

Fortunately, the losses have come in a friendly and the Champs League game. Now the schedule is full of league games...

Maquiladora · August 6, 2002, 13:55

I never found changing it to any other mentality than "normal" just made me lose more games. Maybe i was changing it at the wrong time, but ive been successful enough without changing it once throughout a whole season.

The more men in midfield and central roles in general you have, the more possession youll have in a game= more chances=more goals. Other than that most tactics hints can be real spoilers.

Sten Sture · August 6, 2002, 17:19

Be aware that the game treats an excessive number of transfers and tactics changes very negatively, and that selling players is very difficult. Tactics that take advantage of flaws in the game engine aren't necessary.

I found it more fun to start with a weaker team and try to knock Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV out of the top rung after a few seasons. You will quickly be kicking everyone's arse in Holland with Ajax - probably get a little dull. It is also easier to learn what attributes are important at the lower quality levels. just a thought.

And Johnny O'Brien is a lot better in real life!