Presidential Election: Voters List

MarkG · July 22, 2002, 04:41

here you go

149 voters



| ixnay37            | 1969-12-31 19:00:00 |

| MarkG              | 1969-12-31 19:00:00 |

| Apocalypse         | 1969-12-31 19:00:00 |

| Luk                | 1999-03-06 00:00:00 |

| Vlad Antlerkov     | 1999-03-13 00:00:00 |

| Akron              | 1999-03-20 00:00:00 |

| Purple             | 1999-04-05 00:00:00 |

| FrantzX            | 1999-05-29 00:00:00 |

| Moral Hazard       | 1999-07-02 00:00:00 |

| Max                | 1999-07-08 00:00:00 |

| Dom                | 1999-08-26 00:00:00 |

| Sirotnikov         | 2000-02-06 00:00:00 |

| Deathwalker        | 2000-03-16 00:00:00 |

| Franses            | 2000-08-04 00:00:00 |

| Odin               | 2000-09-14 00:00:00 |

| Jonny              | 2000-11-28 00:00:00 |

| Timeline           | 2000-11-29 00:00:00 |

| The Viceroy        | 2000-11-30 00:00:00 |

| aebbeka            | 2000-11-30 00:00:00 |

| Sean               | 2001-01-17 00:00:00 |

| RedWhiteArcher     | 2001-01-27 00:00:00 |

| vonManstein        | 2001-02-04 00:00:00 |

| skywalker          | 2001-02-17 00:00:00 |

| Guardian           | 2001-02-21 00:00:00 |

| HRuquet            | 2001-03-04 00:00:00 |

| Lawrence of Arabia | 2001-04-01 00:00:00 |

| Will 5001          | 2001-04-05 00:00:00 |

| Gramphos           | 2001-04-08 00:00:00 |

| The Dark Lord      | 2001-04-22 00:00:00 |

| redstar1           | 2001-04-30 00:00:00 |

| Wojit              | 2001-05-03 00:00:00 |

| Epistax            | 2001-05-14 00:00:00 |

| UberKruX           | 2001-05-23 16:53:39 |

| civman2000         | 2001-05-31 16:27:50 |

| jn_kz              | 2001-06-06 16:06:36 |

| block              | 2001-06-18 14:36:54 |

| ADG                | 2001-06-29 15:09:05 |

| Kassiopeia         | 2001-07-05 17:31:23 |

| Mr. President      | 2001-07-22 00:11:51 |

| Schee              | 2001-08-03 15:35:19 |

| Osweld             | 2001-08-05 22:35:11 |

| JSeeds             | 2001-08-08 23:35:16 |

| notyoueither       | 2001-08-12 19:54:13 |

| jdd2007            | 2001-08-13 20:39:07 |

| Sn00py             | 2001-08-16 03:51:31 |

| Tarquinius         | 2001-09-05 15:56:47 |

| reefer addict      | 2001-09-08 13:03:15 |

| arkanjuca          | 2001-09-23 20:24:22 |

| mtgillespie        | 2001-10-17 13:34:12 |

| ranger64           | 2001-10-29 17:32:36 |

| dexters            | 2001-11-04 01:12:27 |

| Ninot              | 2001-11-04 01:32:23 |

| Duddha             | 2001-11-06 17:27:45 |

| wervdon            | 2001-11-07 02:22:37 |

| Adrian Hon         | 2001-11-07 19:04:14 |

| Buster13           | 2001-11-08 15:36:03 |

| Malthis            | 2001-11-10 03:34:38 |

| GePap              | 2001-11-10 13:36:09 |

| enredao            | 2001-11-13 16:15:14 |

| Spiffor            | 2001-11-14 22:20:26 |

| MrWhereItsAt       | 2001-11-15 05:10:39 |

| Minmaster          | 2001-11-15 05:23:34 |

| The_Hawk           | 2001-11-23 14:36:29 |

| Torkkeli           | 2001-11-26 03:04:06 |

| Combat Ingrid      | 2001-11-26 05:45:52 |

| Sir Ralph          | 2001-12-04 07:49:23 |

| kring              | 2001-12-24 14:58:28 |

| Puupertti Ruma     | 2001-12-24 18:00:46 |

| johncmcleod        | 2002-01-11 19:44:47 |

| zulu9812           | 2002-01-22 13:19:12 |

| punkbass2000       | 2002-02-03 18:50:31 |

| GodKing            | 2002-02-05 10:18:27 |

| Nimitz             | 2002-02-27 18:14:51 |

| LordAzreal         | 2002-03-07 06:59:16 |

| trickey            | 2002-03-07 16:14:42 |

| iain               | 2002-03-08 07:41:21 |

| FrustratedPoet     | 2002-03-12 09:19:40 |

| beno               | 2002-03-14 10:50:18 |

| lmtoops            | 2002-03-16 20:39:17 |

| Nym                | 2002-03-29 09:29:20 |

| Adc                | 2002-04-06 22:33:08 |

| Trip               | 2002-04-09 14:17:54 |

| Turambar           | 2002-04-10 15:57:06 |

| SwitchMoO          | 2002-04-20 02:21:43 |

| HazieDaVampire     | 2002-04-20 10:34:37 |

| Zarg               | 2002-04-30 04:39:09 |

| jdjdjd             | 2002-05-01 12:00:36 |

| Tassadar5000       | 2002-05-03 04:25:35 |

| Chieftess          | 2002-05-09 02:10:03 |

| Darkworld Ark      | 2002-05-10 15:33:18 |

| Sheik              | 2002-05-15 16:22:01 |

| ThePlagueRat       | 2002-05-25 08:05:41 |

| YuMMz              | 2002-05-25 18:16:03 |

| Flip McWho         | 2002-05-27 19:46:11 |

| trevor             | 2002-05-29 22:19:50 |

| Proserpine         | 2002-05-30 19:17:41 |

| DAVOUT             | 2002-06-07 11:52:14 |

| Fatwreck           | 2002-06-09 14:29:36 |

| Nuclear Master     | 2002-06-09 20:06:15 |

| PeteBDawg          | 2002-06-09 23:03:25 |

| Chandragupta       | 2002-06-09 23:37:43 |

| sabrewolf          | 2002-06-10 08:56:56 |

| talia              | 2002-06-10 20:46:00 |

| Dignitas           | 2002-06-11 03:50:35 |

| disorganizer       | 2002-06-11 06:52:01 |

| Togas              | 2002-06-11 15:05:48 |

| Libertarian2004    | 2002-06-12 01:12:20 |

| Kramerman          | 2002-06-13 01:42:07 |

| buzzbat            | 2002-06-14 00:26:24 |

| Papa Chubby        | 2002-06-18 11:13:33 |

| Aggie              | 2002-06-18 18:34:04 |

| yellfromhell       | 2002-06-18 21:37:10 |

| bigo               | 2002-06-19 01:41:07 |

| astrologix         | 2002-06-19 04:12:52 |

| ManicStarSeed      | 2002-06-19 15:23:17 |

| Kloreep            | 2002-06-19 21:58:43 |

| UnOrthOdOx         | 2002-06-20 10:44:42 |

| joony              | 2002-06-22 11:27:57 |

| theViking          | 2002-06-23 02:01:00 |

| minos              | 2002-06-24 19:57:07 |

| Stormin' Norman    | 2002-06-26 19:33:08 |

| GoodFella          | 2002-06-27 00:38:18 |

| Benjamin_Berman    | 2002-06-27 18:32:38 |

| TheGreatKaspi      | 2002-06-27 21:59:04 |

| Robber Baron       | 2002-06-28 13:52:44 |

| LordImpact         | 2002-06-29 15:24:37 |

| rendelnep          | 2002-06-29 18:23:52 |

| De Gaulle          | 2002-06-29 21:35:16 |

| Lycastus           | 2002-07-02 06:16:51 |

| rush               | 2002-07-05 02:57:09 |

| MJW                | 2002-07-05 18:45:15 |

| Donal Graeme       | 2002-07-05 22:39:56 |

| Aro                | 2002-07-09 16:13:09 |

| Micaelus           | 2002-07-09 20:40:50 |

| Thud               | 2002-07-10 21:50:42 |

| Edrix              | 2002-07-11 17:31:09 |

| mgekelly           | 2002-07-12 08:17:36 |

| Citizen Kane       | 2002-07-12 21:28:20 |

| WhiteBandit        | 2002-07-13 03:58:50 |

| Zezenki            | 2002-07-14 20:03:59 |

| aleion             | 2002-07-14 21:25:02 |

| Pathetic_Bob       | 2002-07-14 22:58:26 |

| USW                | 2002-07-15 01:39:42 |

| majin_herb         | 2002-07-15 02:21:12 |

| badman             | 2002-07-15 07:29:44 |

| hellojoe           | 2002-07-15 11:30:08 |

| lolaxcore          | 2002-07-15 11:39:48 |

| Chingus_Maximus    | 2002-07-15 16:31:15 |

| Decimus            | 2002-07-17 01:42:24 |

MrWhereItsAt · July 22, 2002, 04:44

Rockin'! Thanks Mark! Now, to compare with the members list...

BigFurryMonster · July 22, 2002, 04:49

How did you make this up? Why am I not on it?

notyoueither · July 22, 2002, 04:49

Thank you Mark.

Harovan · July 22, 2002, 05:08

I can't find MarkG in the member list. Now we know, who rigged the poll.

MrWhereItsAt · July 22, 2002, 05:19

*Ahem

Cross referenced with those listed in the members thread, as of nye's last update very recently.

EDIT: Sod it.

I didn't think I DPed. If the below post is too wonky to deal with, just download the .txt.

/me sighs

MrWhereItsAt · July 22, 2002, 05:22

*Ahem

Cross referenced with those listed in the members thread, as of nye's last update very recently.

EDIT: This didn't come out well here, so download the above if you prefer. The final number here is the member number for that poster.
ixnay37 | 1969-12-31 19:00:00 | 7
| MarkG | 1969-12-31 19:00:00 |
| Apocalypse | 1969-12-31 19:00:00 | 110
| Luk | 1999-03-06 00:00:00 |
| Vlad Antlerkov | 1999-03-13 00:00:00 | 74
| Akron | 1999-03-20 00:00:00 | 226
| Purple | 1999-04-05 00:00:00 | 36
| FrantzX | 1999-05-29 00:00:00 |
| Moral Hazard | 1999-07-02 00:00:00 | 79
| Max | 1999-07-08 00:00:00 |
| Dom | 1999-08-26 00:00:00 |
| Sirotnikov | 2000-02-06 00:00:00 |
| Deathwalker | 2000-03-16 00:00:00 |
| Franses | 2000-08-04 00:00:00 | 31
| Odin | 2000-09-14 00:00:00 | NO Number
| Jonny | 2000-11-28 00:00:00 | 75
| Timeline | 2000-11-29 00:00:00 | 50
| The Viceroy | 2000-11-30 00:00:00 | 125
| aebbeka | 2000-11-30 00:00:00 |
| Sean | 2001-01-17 00:00:00 | 221
| RedWhiteArcher | 2001-01-27 00:00:00 | 190(?)
| vonManstein | 2001-02-04 00:00:00 |
| skywalker | 2001-02-17 00:00:00 | 9
| Guardian | 2001-02-21 00:00:00 | 102
| HRuquet | 2001-03-04 00:00:00 | 225
| Lawrence of Arabia | 2001-04-01 00:00:00 |
| Will 5001 | 2001-04-05 00:00:00 | 144
| Gramphos | 2001-04-08 00:00:00 | 13
| The Dark Lord | 2001-04-22 00:00:00 | 48
| redstar1 | 2001-04-30 00:00:00 |
| Wojit | 2001-05-03 00:00:00 | 51
| Epistax | 2001-05-14 00:00:00 |
| UberKruX | 2001-05-23 16:53:39 | 18
| civman2000 | 2001-05-31 16:27:50 | 2
| jn_kz | 2001-06-06 16:06:36 |
| block | 2001-06-18 14:36:54 |
| ADG | 2001-06-29 15:09:05 | 30
| Kassiopeia | 2001-07-05 17:31:23 | 19
| Mr. President | 2001-07-22 00:11:51 | 209
| Schee | 2001-08-03 15:35:19 | 190
| Osweld | 2001-08-05 22:35:11 |
| JSeeds | 2001-08-08 23:35:16 | 71
| notyoueither | 2001-08-12 19:54:13 | 14
| jdd2007 | 2001-08-13 20:39:07 | 46
| Sn00py | 2001-08-16 03:51:31 | 24
| Tarquinius | 2001-09-05 15:56:47 | 25
| reefer addict | 2001-09-08 13:03:15 | 123
| arkanjuca | 2001-09-23 20:24:22 | 97
| mtgillespie | 2001-10-17 13:34:12 | 167
| ranger64 | 2001-10-29 17:32:36 | 82
| dexters | 2001-11-04 01:12:27 |
| Ninot | 2001-11-04 01:32:23 | 37
| Duddha | 2001-11-06 17:27:45 | 45
| wervdon | 2001-11-07 02:22:37 | 91
| Adrian Hon | 2001-11-07 19:04:14 |
| Buster13 | 2001-11-08 15:36:03 | 99
| Malthis | 2001-11-10 03:34:38 |
| GePap | 2001-11-10 13:36:09 | 159
| enredao | 2001-11-13 16:15:14 | 146
| Spiffor | 2001-11-14 22:20:26 | 72
| MrWhereItsAt | 2001-11-15 05:10:39 | 1
| Minmaster | 2001-11-15 05:23:34 |
| The_Hawk | 2001-11-23 14:36:29 |
| Torkkeli | 2001-11-26 03:04:06 | 63
| Combat Ingrid | 2001-11-26 05:45:52 | 176
| Sir Ralph | 2001-12-04 07:49:23 | 15
| kring | 2001-12-24 14:58:28 | 35
| Puupertti Ruma | 2001-12-24 18:00:46 | 211
| johncmcleod | 2002-01-11 19:44:47 | 94
| zulu9812 | 2002-01-22 13:19:12 |
| punkbass2000 | 2002-02-03 18:50:31 | 8
| GodKing | 2002-02-05 10:18:27 | 152
| Nimitz | 2002-02-27 18:14:51 | 161
| LordAzreal | 2002-03-07 06:59:16 | 59
| trickey | 2002-03-07 16:14:42 | No Number
| iain | 2002-03-08 07:41:21 | 157
| FrustratedPoet | 2002-03-12 09:19:40 | 126
| beno | 2002-03-14 10:50:18 | 68
| lmtoops | 2002-03-16 20:39:17 | 66
| Nym | 2002-03-29 09:29:20 | 4
| Adc | 2002-04-06 22:33:08 | 52
| Trip | 2002-04-09 14:17:54 | 33
| Turambar | 2002-04-10 15:57:06 | 10
| SwitchMoO | 2002-04-20 02:21:43 | 115
| HazieDaVampire | 2002-04-20 10:34:37 | 29
| Zarg | 2002-04-30 04:39:09 | 62
| jdjdjd | 2002-05-01 12:00:36 | 70
| Tassadar5000 | 2002-05-03 04:25:35 | 12
| Chieftess | 2002-05-09 02:10:03 | 147
| Darkworld Ark | 2002-05-10 15:33:18 |
| Sheik | 2002-05-15 16:22:01 | 81
| ThePlagueRat | 2002-05-25 08:05:41 | 106
| YuMMz | 2002-05-25 18:16:03 | No Number
| Flip McWho | 2002-05-27 19:46:11 | 58
| trevor | 2002-05-29 22:19:50 | 180
| Proserpine | 2002-05-30 19:17:41 | 89
| DAVOUT | 2002-06-07 11:52:14 | 205
| Fatwreck | 2002-06-09 14:29:36 | 39
| Nuclear Master | 2002-06-09 20:06:15 |
| PeteBDawg | 2002-06-09 23:03:25 | 53
| Chandragupta | 2002-06-09 23:37:43 | 56
| sabrewolf | 2002-06-10 08:56:56 | No Number
| talia | 2002-06-10 20:46:00 |
| Dignitas | 2002-06-11 03:50:35 | 77
| disorganizer | 2002-06-11 06:52:01 |
| Togas | 2002-06-11 15:05:48 | 83
| Libertarian2004 | 2002-06-12 01:12:20 | 88
| Kramerman | 2002-06-13 01:42:07 | 181
| buzzbat | 2002-06-14 00:26:24 | 118
| Papa Chubby | 2002-06-18 11:13:33 | 129
| Aggie | 2002-06-18 18:34:04 | 134
| yellfromhell | 2002-06-18 21:37:10 | 224
| bigo | 2002-06-19 01:41:07 |
| astrologix | 2002-06-19 04:12:52 | 148
| ManicStarSeed | 2002-06-19 15:23:17 | 140
| Kloreep | 2002-06-19 21:58:43 |
| UnOrthOdOx | 2002-06-20 10:44:42 | 150
| joony | 2002-06-22 11:27:57 | No Number
| theViking | 2002-06-23 02:01:00 | 163
| minos | 2002-06-24 19:57:07 | 166
| Stormin' Norman | 2002-06-26 19:33:08 | 223
| GoodFella | 2002-06-27 00:38:18 | 170
| Benjamin_Berman | 2002-06-27 18:32:38 | 179
| TheGreatKaspi | 2002-06-27 21:59:04 | 175
| Robber Baron | 2002-06-28 13:52:44 | 177
| LordImpact | 2002-06-29 15:24:37 | 185
| rendelnep | 2002-06-29 18:23:52 | 187
| De Gaulle | 2002-06-29 21:35:16 |
| Lycastus | 2002-07-02 06:16:51 |
| rush | 2002-07-05 02:57:09 | 207
| MJW | 2002-07-05 18:45:15 | 206
| Donal Graeme | 2002-07-05 22:39:56 | 202
| Aro | 2002-07-09 16:13:09 | 208
| Micaelus | 2002-07-09 20:40:50 | 213
| Thud | 2002-07-10 21:50:42 | 212
| Edrix | 2002-07-11 17:31:09 | 217
| mgekelly | 2002-07-12 08:17:36 | 218
| Citizen Kane | 2002-07-12 21:28:20 |
| WhiteBandit | 2002-07-13 03:58:50 | 219
| Zezenki | 2002-07-14 20:03:59 |
| aleion | 2002-07-14 21:25:02 | 220
| Pathetic_Bob | 2002-07-14 22:58:26 |
| USW | 2002-07-15 01:39:42 |
| majin_herb | 2002-07-15 02:21:12 |
| badman | 2002-07-15 07:29:44 | 222
| hellojoe | 2002-07-15 11:30:08 |
| lolaxcore | 2002-07-15 11:39:48 |
| Chingus_Maximus | 2002-07-15 16:31:15 |
| Decimus No Number

Sorry for the wonkiness but 'Poly doesn't like .txt format and I'm lazy.

As you can see, there are a few posters who haven't officially become members yet, and some others I have never heard of before. I don't know what we can draw from this, but there it is.

Nubclear · July 22, 2002, 05:29

Quote:

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Rockin'! Thanks Mark! Now, to compare with the members list...

The above is boring and hard to read...A nice version that has only people who aren't on the citizens list but whom voted.

MarkG (

)
Luk
FrantZ
Max
Dom
Sirotnikov
deathwalker
odin
The Viceroy
aebbeka
vonManstein
block
Osweld
mtgillespie
dexters
Adrian Hon
Malthis
Minmaster
The_Hawk
trickey
Nuclear Master
Sabrewolf
talia
disorganizer
bigo
joony
De Gaulle
thud
Citizen kane
Zezenki
Pathetic_Bob
USW
majin_herb
hellojoe
lolaxcore
Chingus_Maximus
Decimus

Number: 37!!!

Sean · July 22, 2002, 05:41

Gee, that is a very lagre number of inaligable votes!! It brings into question the very democratic processes of our nation.

Nubclear · July 22, 2002, 05:44

Quote:

Originally posted by Sean
Gee, that is a very lagre number of inaligable votes!! It brings into question the very democratic processes of our nation.

Yes, but you must factor in newbies whom simply forgot to register within the citizen list, etc etc...

However, the number is indeed shocking and we must pass the reforms nesisary to prevent this from happening in the future.

MrWhereItsAt · July 22, 2002, 05:48

*Ahem again

These posters are members, despite Tass listing them as NOT being so

Decimus - no number
Thud - 212
joony
trickey
sabrewolf
mtgillespie - 168
Odin

The citizens above without numbers are reported by nye on the final page of the members list thread .

And the following are NOT members but Tass missed them in his above list (if you can see where they joined please let me know here).

zulu9812
jn_kz
Lawrence of Arabia

Thus 33 ineligible voters, some of whom should know better (ie are not newbies).

Nubclear · July 22, 2002, 05:54

Quote:

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
*Ahem again

These posters are members, despite Tass listing them as NOT being so

Decimus - no number
Thud - 212
joony
trickey
sabrewolf
mtgillespie - 167
Odin

The citizens above without numbers are reported by nye on the final page of the members list thread .

And the following are NOT members but Tass missed them in his above list (if you can see where they joined please let me know here).

zulu9812
jn_kz
Lawrence of Arabia

Thus 33 ineligible voters, some of whom should know better (ie are not newbies).

Ah well then, ignore my list. Did it all manually, so....

But still, that's a very high number, and again we need to do something to prevent it from happening in the future.

disorganizer · July 22, 2002, 06:26

wouldnt it be better to just let markg publish the "normalized" result? meaning the result without the votes not in the members-list?

Nubclear · July 22, 2002, 06:28

Quote:

Originally posted by disorganizer
wouldnt it be better to just let markg publish the "normalized" result? meaning the result without the votes not in the members-list?

What would be the point of doing such a thing?

disorganizer · July 22, 2002, 07:47

having the real result. the result without the "invalid" votes.
if its the same, why such a fuzz?

civman2000 · July 22, 2002, 08:27

MWIA: I know of at least 4 others on Tass's list that are also members. That brings it down to 29.

disorganizer · July 22, 2002, 09:46

the question is: am i a member? i post, i read. i voted (sometimes). but im not registered (well, in fact i even do the census polls here).
and i think maybe im just an example.
since the discussion started, i decided to not vote any more, to not heat up discussion or being victim of an investigation.

(call me foreign worker or alien employee or legal alien or something)

Epistax · July 22, 2002, 10:20

All you have to do to become a member is reply to a single thread and say 'me too'. I don't think that restriction is too tough.

We don't need the results minus the false voters, because we have a stable presidency right now. What this DOES show is our need to change the process in the future.

Papa Chubby · July 22, 2002, 10:45

There is no law in our Code of Laws that states that you have to be a member to vote. Therefore the votes of the non-members are just as valid as of the members. If you want this to change, better make an amendment and get some support for it.

disorganizer · July 22, 2002, 10:54

Epi:
so why were the votes uncovered at all? we knew how many non-members voted cause markg stated the numbers.
so there must have been tries to calculate the real result out of the bogus result. otherwise this effort was useless.
werent there voices stating the election was not valid? now where are they to request the corrected result?

this whole fuzz was useless in my opinion.

Epistax · July 22, 2002, 11:00

disorganized-- yes it was pretty useless beyond the numbers, this just put names to the unknown voters. We can see if they stick around, and how active these people actually are. There is no way that the election will be changed now. This knowledge is simply to reinforce the need for reform.

Papa Chubby-- Your assumption that anything that is not said to be illegal is legal is a debate hundreds of years old. It's can be dangerous to apply it.

notyoueither · July 22, 2002, 12:58

Well, we can see who it was, and we know who it wasn't (perhaps more importantly).

The important bit is that we know. We can judge for ourselves whether the non citizens were mostly new and were overlooking the join thread, or were OT trollers and likely up to mischief (doesn't seem so).

Proserpine · July 22, 2002, 13:04

I am completely at a loss to understand why we are having all this controversy about non-member votes. I agree with PC:

Quote:

Originally posted by Papa Chubby
There is no law in our Code of Laws that states that you have to be a member to vote. Therefore the votes of the non-members are just as valid as of the members. If you want this to change, better make an amendment and get some support for it.

It has been said elsewhere that posting/voting eases people into the game.

Sorry, but MarkG's post doesn't help unless we have both:

(a) a definitive member-list

(b) an indication of how the votes were cast by non-members

I really do believe that we should accept the result as valid. The whole question members vs non-members is futile.

Sirotnikov · July 22, 2002, 13:18

Huh?

I remember that when I became interested in this, we had only 40 or so members....

Why has no body written me down is beyond me.

I have the 5th post on the memberlist thread too.

Sirotnikov · July 22, 2002, 13:19

Actually more like 15th.

Ah damn. I forgot to officially join.

But hey - I made a newspaper and a site. Doesn't that count?

notyoueither · July 22, 2002, 16:09

Yes Siro, in your case it does (in my mind).