July 29, 2002, 17:12
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you guys will find that lines on the olive oil level are just in style these days 
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July 29, 2002, 17:12
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Someone brought all his Civ3 section newbie friends
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July 29, 2002, 19:14
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Originally posted by Ecthelion
When did Dalgetti ever mention anti-Israeli posters? 
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Ecthelion: that's the ME threads. Everything goes there. Of course , a small troll pointing out Siro , while ignoring Mobius and CyberGnu is ok , isn't it ?
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And I just brought him up as an example, because some people *cough* appear to be quite blind on one eye 
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He is biased towards his own people, just as some of us are biased towards the palestinians. Noone sit on the ultimate truth here.
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The matter has been closed by higher authority anyway, but it's always a good move to stand by the big one's knees and shout along 
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I stand in noones shadow! Don´t take it out on me because Ming gave you some heat.
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July 29, 2002, 19:17
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are you still talking about the rebirth of the SU? i thought that soviet beast guy was banned days ago
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July 29, 2002, 19:20
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Yep, but the debate goes on an on and on. This IS Apolyton after all
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July 29, 2002, 19:23
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Oh, what a thread!
The Soviet Union ... *sigh* ... a noble attempt that failed.
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July 29, 2002, 19:56
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The Soviet Union was anything but a noble attempt. It was pathetic.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 29, 2002, 22:05
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**** off.
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July 29, 2002, 22:10
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Originally posted by moomin
For your information, here are the conservative estimates of Soviet victims of communist murders:
*** Soviet democide from 1917-1991
Total: 61,911,000
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It is a TOTAL BULLSHIT.
The entire population of SU in 1941 was about 191 mln people. Everyone who beleive that any government (even the most represive) could kill 1/3 of its population without being overthrown by this population is a total moron.
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July 29, 2002, 22:15
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What was the population of the Ukraine when the Soviet engineered famine hit and how many people died as a result of it?
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July 29, 2002, 22:15
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July 29, 2002, 22:17
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
What was the population of the Ukraine when the Soviet engineered famine hit and how many people died as a result of it?
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Let me guess.  20 mlns? Right?
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July 29, 2002, 22:18
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"russia will always be worse than its western counterparts."
I don't buy that assumption. Russia has a lot of natural strengths.
"a noble attempt that failed"
Like Fez, I don't see anything noble about it.
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July 29, 2002, 22:19
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Originally posted by Serb
The entire population of SU in 1941 was about 191 mln people. Everyone who beleive that any government (even the most represive) could kill 1/3 of its population without being overthrown by this population is a total moron.
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1) They weren't all killed in 1941.
2) It was overthrown.
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July 29, 2002, 22:20
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I don't know. That's why I asked.
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Rosbifs are destructive scum- Spiffor
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
If government is big enough to give you everything you want, it is also big enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford
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July 29, 2002, 22:22
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If they weren't all killed in 1941 then how was it overthrown?
(dont know about this, but it's always fun to point out Dino's chasmical schisms of logic  )
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July 29, 2002, 22:22
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
You're right. I was thinking about Russia itself.
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I don't remember bread lines in Russia too. I remember lines for meat, but not for bread.
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July 29, 2002, 22:24
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Originally posted by paiktis22
If they weren't all killed in 1941 then how was it overthrown?
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It was overthrown by a stumbling drunk in 1991, IIRC.
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July 29, 2002, 22:27
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Originally posted by Serb
I remember lines for meat, but not for bread.
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Oh, that's much better then. 
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Rosbifs are destructive scum- Spiffor
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July 29, 2002, 22:28
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I don't see anything noble about it.
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and you perpetuate the stereotype of the braindead/brainwashed american
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July 29, 2002, 22:32
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Brainwashed?
Hardly. Brainwashing is what gives us political correctness. Brainwashing gives us people who think the united states had no effect on the second world war.
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July 29, 2002, 22:40
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Well the "communist experiment" had as its initial aim the betterment of the appauling living conditions of tens of millions.
So I can certaintly see that such a goal is noble.
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July 29, 2002, 22:42
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paiktis: I'm afraid that there was more than one goal going on here.
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July 29, 2002, 22:44
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Originally posted by DanS
paiktis: I'm afraid that there was more than one goal going on here.
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Such as power...
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July 29, 2002, 22:48
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**** off.
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Thanks for that pathetic thought.
And another thing, the Soviet Union is dead and won't be coming back. Ain't possible.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 29, 2002, 22:49
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Originally posted by Dan Severn
Brainwashed?
Hardly. Brainwashing is what gives us political correctness. Brainwashing gives us people who think the united states had no effect on the second world war.
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Brainwashing is what makes you post in this thread at all, and brainwashing is what made me mad about it 
Everyone is wrong and if you argue about it you're even more wrong.
I'm wrong too heh
If you call someone else brainwashed, YOU are brainwashed.
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July 29, 2002, 22:56
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
1) They weren't all killed in 1941.
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Make a simple calculations:
moomin data:
*** Period Years Total killed
Civil War From 1917 3,284,000
Terror: 750,000
Concentration Camps: 34,000
Forced Famine : 2,500,000
NEP 1923 2,200,000
Collectivization 1929 11,440,000
Terror: 1,733,000
Deportations: 1,400,000
Concentration Camps: 3,306,000
Forced Famine : 5,000,000
Great Terror 1936 4,345,000
Terror: 1,000,000
Deportations: 65,000
Concentration Camps: 3,280,000
Pre-WWII 1939 5,104,000
Terror: 1,932,000
Deportations: 283,000
Concentration Camps: 2,889,000
Sum of all vitims 1917-1941= 43.495.000
Add this number to real population of SU in 1941= 43.495.000+191.000.000=234.495.000
Devide this number on 100:
234.495.000/100=2.344.950
and now devide the number which moomin claims to be true on this number to find out the figures in percents:
43.495.000/2.344.950=18.548% of total population.
It's almost 1/5, it means ifmoomin's figures correct then Soviets killed almost 1/5 of its population for period of time since 1917 untill 1941. This is total bullshit.
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2) It was overthrown.
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Really?
Can you prove that it was overthrown by POPULATION?
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July 29, 2002, 23:00
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Originally posted by Fez
Thanks for that pathetic thought.
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Any time.
(btw, as for pathetic thoughts you are a champion here. You demonstrated a lot of them in this thread)
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And another thing, the Soviet Union is dead and won't be coming back. Ain't possible.
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Tell me something new, something that I don't know.
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July 29, 2002, 23:02
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K19 was kewl 
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July 29, 2002, 23:02
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Originally posted by Serb
Any time.
(btw, as for pathetic thoughts you are a champion here. You demonstrated a lot of them in this thread)
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No actually you, che, and several others are responsible for that. I avoid them at all costs.
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Tell me something new, something that I don't know.
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Well you seem to enjoy defending the USSR so much.
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