UNOFFICIAL - What to research next...

Apocalypse · July 30, 2002, 12:48

Keep in mind everything here is unofficial. We have 21 turns until I get to pick a new tech to research. This leaves plenty of time for talk. Our choices might be very different in 21 turns too. I just feel like this should be discussed early, and I don't have much else to do right now. I also assume a lot here. I know it is customary to have a discussion thread before I poll, but I'm only going to look at the poll to vaguely see what people are looking for. There will be another thread like this closer to the 21 turn mark.

There seems to be a lot of support for Plan Gold. That will take something like 20 turns of preparation. We will have Currency in 21 turns. This puts our next tech choice at an important time. I believe we should discuss it early. Keep in mind this we would get this tech after or near the end of the war with France.

We have 4 choices.

Construction - Great Wall (may trigger Golden Age), Aquaduct, Colosseum, and Build Fortress.

Republic - Republic (increase in commerse but also war weariness).

Literature - Great Library, Library.

Monarchy - Monarchy (which lowers corruption).

Edit: Polytheism was successfully techwhored so I removed it from the list.

Kuciwalker · July 30, 2002, 12:51

Any. It doesn't really matter; IIRC we're not giving science any funding.

The_Spartan · July 30, 2002, 12:52

I think you forgot something.

Spiffor · July 30, 2002, 12:59

I think literature would be the best choice, if we don't get it sooner.
Once we'll have won against the French (in ca. 20 turns if we follow Plan Gold), builder strategies will definitely be a viable choice, and we'll have to make libraries to become leaders in tech, at last.
Also, we're playing 1.21f, where the AI is less likely to research a tech not required for next era

Epistax · July 30, 2002, 13:02

Note: Polytheism has already been discovered, but is extremely expensive to buy.

Will 5001 · July 30, 2002, 13:04

I think you did, I say a government type, it depends on what type of victory we want (I would usually say Republic).

jdd2007 · July 30, 2002, 13:10

with a republic, i dont think war weariness will be too much of a problem. it hardly is in long, drawn out wars, and with our swift campaigns, the benefits will far outweigh the drawbacks...

Apocalypse · July 30, 2002, 13:32

I don't think I forgot anything.

Epi, yes I know it has already been discovered. That is why I grouped it with Monarchy because we might have bought it in the next 21 turns.

And skywalker, in 30 turns or so, we might be done with a war with France and have plenty of cash. We might be able to allocate more money for science.

GodKing · July 30, 2002, 16:15

Lit.

UnOrthOdOx · July 30, 2002, 17:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Apocalypse
I don't think I forgot anything.

Epi, yes I know it has already been discovered. That is why I grouped it with Monarchy because we might have bought it in the next 21 turns.

And skywalker, in 30 turns or so, we might be done with a war with France and have plenty of cash. We might be able to allocate more money for science.

Well, lets see, poll ends in 5 days, wait, I don't see any voting...so...open poll, ok.

And I would say Monarchy or Lit.

UnOrthOdOx · July 30, 2002, 17:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Apocalypse
I don't think I forgot anything.

Epi, yes I know it has already been discovered. That is why I grouped it with Monarchy because we might have bought it in the next 21 turns.

And skywalker, in 30 turns or so, we might be done with a war with France and have plenty of cash. We might be able to allocate more money for science.

Well, lets see, poll ends in 5 days, wait, I don't see any voting...so...open poll... ok.

In that case I would say Monarchy or Lit.

Sean · July 30, 2002, 17:50

Literature. Thanks.

Spiffor · July 30, 2002, 18:02

We techwhored polytheism (thanks Epi for the suggestion), and made a profit on the deal. The path to monarchy is wide open.

Vlad Antlerkov · July 30, 2002, 18:11

Monarchy or Republic. Either is better than Despotism.

If neither is available (unlikely-- or am I thinking of Civ II again?), then Lit.

Will 5001 · July 30, 2002, 18:26

I say republic, we are not lookingg at long drawn out wars, rather quick decisive strikes!

MrWhereItsAt · July 31, 2002, 00:41

Hmm. I would say Monarchy so we can get our cities producing whilst conducting easy wars (at least we have the option), but Literacy = Libraries, which, apart from the science bonus, will give great culture. Literacy is my pick JR!

Not Construction: I think this leads us to very little of relevance right now.

Republic - although people may successfully wage wars under a Republic, remember that we'd then have to pay for EVERY unit we have; no freebies. This would cripple us far more in our current state than war weariness would if we have a decent force. One day maybe, when we have the population and roads to give us the necessary gold. Let's save our gold for upgrading and buying techs.

Inverse Icarus · July 31, 2002, 00:56

where's fission?

i'd say Literature.

Apocalypse · July 31, 2002, 01:07

Right now I'm leaning towards Lit.

I'd like to get the opinion of the city planner though...If anyone is planning to run for that next election, now would be a good time to start campaigning.

I'm going to have a more detailed report on possible techs as it gets closer to the time to choose. I'll have a real poll too.

BigRed515 · July 31, 2002, 11:02

Lit for libraries and culture. Republic = WW & Unit Support, Monarchy's bonuses would work better a little later, when we wouldn't be taking as much of a support hit when we upgrade

Harovan · July 31, 2002, 11:04

We should learn, what ever the AI is willing to teach us ... for peace

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Aro · July 31, 2002, 11:34

Monarchy. We are going to annother war (less war weariness).
BTW, with our advantage (religious) we could change to Rep any time, in one turn, obtaining the tech from France (by war) or another civ.

GePap · July 31, 2002, 11:51

I say we go for Monarchy

Shiber · July 31, 2002, 12:18

You're forgetting that either one of the new government type will make our workers 2 times faster (change their work speed from 50% to 100%. Correct me if I'm wrong) as well as allow us to money-rush projects.
I say we go for a revolution! Right now everything is better than Despotism, though being a Republic means we'll be subject to serious war weariness. Many here are betting that our next attack will be swift, but what if it won't? What if we'll need to send a second wave, or deal with a counterattack that will make the war longer? Then we'll have to transfer funds to happiness and we'll be screwed since we have very little money.

Kuciwalker · July 31, 2002, 12:31

I want Stealth. Where is it?

adaMada · July 31, 2002, 13:00

Lit -- let's get great library and then spend less money buying techs.

After Lit, I'd say either monarchy or construction.

-- adaMada

Donal Graeme · July 31, 2002, 13:07

Good question...

I would say either Lit or Republic.
Lit would improve science and culture
Republic improve commerce and reduce corruption. I would say Republic first, as the AI is less likely to go for it, and then we can trade it.

Something that will be my job to manage should I be elected... thought thats not too likely at this point...

Shiber · July 31, 2002, 14:48

Quote:

Originally posted by adaMada
Lit -- let's get great library and then spend less money buying techs.

After Lit, I'd say either monarchy or construction.

-- adaMada

I have to agree. Once we have the great library we can effectively forget about making our own research or buying techs until we have education. We must get Lit and start building the great library ASAP, even at the cost of postponing the war with France.

Apocalypse · August 1, 2002, 17:52

Ok, we got Lit.

Since no one really wants construction it is a choice between the two governments.

Shiber · August 1, 2002, 18:01

We should get Republic. The benefits of republic are great and they exceed those of Monarchy. The difference is of course that Monarchy has less war weariness, but we're a religious civ so we can switch back to Despotism of Monarchy if we'll get it during wartime without descending into anarchy at all.
When in peace with our neighbors we could switch back to republic and enjoy all the cool benefits of it.

Epistax · August 1, 2002, 18:10

If we plan on making any big cities, construction will be needed for coliseums (unless we take cathedral route), but of course we don't need that any time soon. In the short term, we might be able to use construction as a trading tool. (Talking about trading for it, not researching it)

What will our GPT be if we switch to Republic? 2?