3rd Apolyton CtP2 SP Tournament: 1 August - 1 September 2002

Locutus · July 31, 2002, 17:10

After only a short delay this time, here's the third tournament. One thing to be alert about is that the autosave is stored in the folder Wilhe, not in LeifE as one would expect from a Vikings game. A weird bug, but it doesn't affect the game so I decided to let it live...

This month, the tournament is played with GoodMod for Apolyton Pack, as I announced earlier (but not with the ultra-gigantic version as I wanted, there were too many problem in setting everything up). Installation instructions are on the website (see below for link). Martin made an update for this mod just a few days ago, so make sure you have the latest version (v0.993), see websites for download/update/forum links if needed.

I had a look at the map (and even made some minor alterations, but only minor ones) and, although this is not the game I originally had in mind, I think it will be an interesting one. Without wanting to give away too much, the beginning may or may not be great, but I think that later on in the game it's pretty much guaranteed to get interesting...

Good luck to all participants! And please people, play! Last month's edition had only 4 official entries

Theme: Rulers of the Seas
Mod: GoodMod1 for Apolyton Pack v0.993
Level: Hard
Size: Huge Map
Barbarians: Raiders
Ocean-Land: 0%
Island-Continent: 30%
Wet-Dry: 70%
Warm-Cold: 30%
Uniform-Diverse: 70%
Few Goods-Many Goods: 70%
World shape: Doughnut
Bloodlust: Off
Pollution: On
Civilization: Vikings
Opponents: 7 (Dutch, English, Indonesians, Polynesians, Arabs, Indians, Phoenicians)
Victory types allowed: All

Game file

Website

Maquiladora · July 31, 2002, 18:34

Thanks locutus. Rulers of the Seas, that sounds ominous.

Oerdin · July 31, 2002, 20:26

I can only join this one or the MP tourny so I hope you don't mind if I choce MP.

HuangShang · August 1, 2002, 12:24

i love how the first hut's so close... but i wonder wheres all the water

Martin Gühmann · August 1, 2002, 15:12

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Originally posted by HuangShang
i love how the first hut's so close... but i wonder wheres all the water

The water is around you, you have first to research a tech that allows a deep ocean chip, to leave it.

By the way was someone of you able to build a wonder in the early game?

-Martin

TheArsenal · August 1, 2002, 16:10

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Originally posted by Martin Gühmann

By the way was someone of you able to build a wonder in the early game?

-Martin

I was able to build the Pyramids first (I don't remember the year). And IIRC, I had the tech to build the Great Wall but was WAY too far behind others Civs working on it to get there before them.

Turambar · August 1, 2002, 16:57

400 ADish - Still stuck on that stupid island. I'm behind in tech and probably everything else but it won't be long before I get Longships and launch my invasion (which will probably be crushed easily).

HuangShang · August 1, 2002, 17:28

i just noticed while playing it... what GoodMod does it use?
i mean the good mod for which mod... or did i install .993 wrong?
do they all work

centrifuge · August 1, 2002, 18:41

Goodmod for the Super Apolyton Pack

HuangShang · August 1, 2002, 19:44

Oh... than i restarted for nothing

... to bad

i had to turtle b/c of the barbs anyway

Martin Gühmann · August 1, 2002, 20:12

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Originally posted by TheArsenal
I was able to build the Pyramids first (I don't remember the year). And IIRC, I had the tech to build the Great Wall but was WAY too far behind others Civs working on it to get there before them.

Yeah I was also able to build the Ramajana, I concentrated on it so I was finished as all the other civs where just starting it.

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Originally posted by Turambar
400 ADish - Still stuck on that stupid island. I'm behind in tech and probably everything else but it won't be long before I get Longships and launch my invasion (which will probably be crushed easily).

May your invasion as succesfull as this one. (I lost four cities to this AI all the cities on this island accept the capital.) That was worth a reload.

-Martin

Shadow · August 2, 2002, 00:53

Hey folks,

Count me in, glad to see I'm finally here in time for one of these tournaments.

Looks pretty exciting so far.

Shadow

Maquiladora · August 2, 2002, 01:24

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Originally posted by Martin Gühmann

By the way was someone of you able to build a wonder in the early game?

-Martin

I got soooo close to the Chichen Itza. About 3 turns to be exact. I was about 7 turns from completion then the popup came that Saladin was nearing completion etc so i switched after a few turns, fearing he would beat me to it.

Maquiladora · August 2, 2002, 01:31

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Originally posted by Martin Gühmann
May your invasion as succesfull as this one. (I lost four cities to this AI all the cities on this island accept the capital.) That was worth a reload.

Isnt that cheating?

Martin Gühmann · August 2, 2002, 08:13

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Originally posted by Maquiladora
Isnt that cheating?

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Torunament Rules
- You can submit only one game

I can only submit one game, so what should I do if I lose half of my empire? Or what is this method just using slaveres to increase your city size to extremly high numbers waiting until they will revolt and form a new nation and then you conquere them. Or what is if all your cities in the early game are conquered by Barbarians will you submit this conquerd by force loss?

-Martin

Maquiladora · August 2, 2002, 08:49

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Originally posted by Martin Gühmann

I can only submit one game, so what should I do if I lose half of my empire? Or what is this method just using slaveres to increase your city size to extremly high numbers waiting until they will revolt and form a new nation and then you conquere them. Or what is if all your cities in the early game are conquered by Barbarians will you submit this conquerd by force loss?

-Martin

If you lost 4 cities on that main first island that would leave you with around 2/3 cities? I built 7 cities on the main first island, i think you would be able to retake those cities within enough time of rebuilding. Thats the challenge. I dont know the exact rules on reloading a turn though. Would i be able to reload if i lost 1 city? or what about 2? I suppose its open to interpretation. I dont mind anyway, at least its better than restarting the whole game.

HuangShang · August 2, 2002, 12:05

you can restart right... just not submit anything after the first game right?????????... hope not... i probably can't win the try

Maquiladora · August 2, 2002, 13:24

As i understood it, thats what the unofficial ranking was for. If you restart the game because you lost your second city to a barbarian, that isnt such a big deal. But if you continually reload a turn or worse, restart the game just because something happened you didnt prepare for, then it should be only entered into the unofficial ranking.

Martin Gühmann · August 2, 2002, 13:26

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Originally posted by HuangShang
you can restart right... just not submit anything after the first game right?????????... hope not... i probably can't win the try

In my opinion you can play as much games as you want and submit the best one, actual no one has to admit that he restarted it. I think it depends on the time one player has left if the tourny would be near the dead line then it is something different last time I hadn't the time to restart also I wished, so that's one diadvantage that have the late ones. For the submission thing you can only submitt one game for the official stats, but you can submit as much as you want. And I think Locutus will use the best one if you didn't said anything else.

For the small invasion: I already decided as the AI got the first city to watch the results, so I didn't asked for peace, it could have been very likely that they accepted, but I wanted to watch the disaster, so in the end it were four of five cities on the mean island my Capital was only left, I already lost on another small island a city to that AI, so far I didn't retake it. So that left four cities on somewere on the map.

Actual we all play this tourny game for our own fun, as long it is a single player game it is our own thing how we play. Maybe I would have to restart some turns earlier anyway, I already had some problems with the stability in the last tourny game, so how stabil is the game for you?

-Martin

Maquiladora · August 2, 2002, 13:35

The game is actually very stable for me. Except for that in the last tournament, when i crashed to desktop in the late game. But i carried on with that game and it hasnt made me restart.

Yes, the tournament is for fun, but its also to compare our skills to other people. So i think its fair for someone to admit they reloaded continually. If they restart the game or reload more than once or twice the it should be unofficial. I can think of many ways to gain an advantage by knowing where all the other civs are, or where the first island is for example.

centrifuge · August 2, 2002, 15:17

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Originally posted by Martin Gühmann

I can only submit one game, so what should I do if I lose half of my empire? Or what is this method just using slaveres to increase your city size to extremly high numbers waiting until they will revolt and form a new nation and then you conquere them. Or what is if all your cities in the early game are conquered by Barbarians will you submit this conquerd by force loss?

-Martin

In the 2nd tournament game, creating a "new cheat" was of course not my intention. I was simply playing with the features that the mod provided. Yes, this caused a lot of revolts, and boosted the score, but the intention of taking slaves was definitly not to cause revolts. All of the revolting was a supreme pain in the a$$ believe me. After getting to the point that I had the max cities for my government, I had three choices killing all of the inhabitants of the newly conquered cities, expanding my empire, or enslaving. Since, I didn't want to expand my Empire to far past the max for the government, I chose slavery. This way at least some benefit would come from conquering the cities, and I wouldn't feel quite so Evil.

TheArsenal · August 2, 2002, 15:29

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Originally posted by Maquiladora

If you lost 4 cities on that main first island that would leave you with around 2/3 cities? I built 7 cities on the main first island, i think you would be able to retake those cities within enough time of rebuilding.

Its about 450 AD and I am at 9 cities. I jammed 8 cities on the Island of the Mighty Viking Nation and have managed to mount a cross water attack to take Argos which was in the hands of the Barbarians. Early in the game, when I thought my land was Barbarian free, I left a city undefended which they destroyed and I rebuilt. Right now I'm third from the bottom overall and lagging behind in the important military and science categories. Fun game though.

HuangShang · August 2, 2002, 16:30

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Originally posted by Maquiladora
As i understood it, thats what the unofficial ranking was for. If you restart the game because you lost your second city to a barbarian, that isnt such a big deal. But if you continually reload a turn or worse, restart the game just because something happened you didnt prepare for, then it should be only entered into the unofficial ranking.

DONE... i didn't get far before any how

HuangShang · August 2, 2002, 22:53

yo... if anyone wants to know... heres how im doing

the polynese(purple) attacked the dutch(orange) and took the Dutch's smallest city.
by the time i lauch my first longship, the dutch already built the ramajana, the aristles place(what'dou call that, and the haga sofia. with many peacemeal attacks, i've conquer(long lost) that city many times over

. the thing was... few unit were defending the city... but there were two 12stack just outside. finally... w/ one big push, i took the city for good. The first stack that tried to retake the city lost and the other ran... so much for moral

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i just discovered gunpowerer + canons + the ship of the line one. the greeks (green were already in indy )were already in indy ang w/ railroads

. luckily... i threathened them into an allegiance

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purple already hated me b/c they and i are both on that island. purple's city on dutch's ilse revolted to Mayan and i musterd an allegiance with the one city nation.
oh yeah... i built a fortification just out side purple's caital

but i have to get a unit over there... the AI were building fortifications too
didn't biuld any wonders myself yet... by the time i could leagally start... the AI already built it... ny wonders build list is always empty

so far so good... started bad b/c of barbs but havent seen them since

the greeks gave up the allegiance easy... but no one will give me any advances i have the worst sci and 7th even w/ 3 wonder

oh yeah... i couldnt fit more the seven on the starting island

Martin Gühmann · August 3, 2002, 10:14

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Originally posted by HuangShang
purple already hated me b/c they and i are both on that island. purple's city on dutch's ilse revolted to Mayan and i musterd an allegiance with the one city nation.

Why you didn't take the city, if a city revolts in CTP2 all the units in are destroyed, so it was empty.

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Originally posted by HuangShang
the greeks gave up the allegiance easy... but no one will give me any advances i have the worst sci and 7th even w/ 3 wonder

Can you already build spies if yes use them.

-Martin

Martin Gühmann · August 3, 2002, 13:31

OK the year 2300AD I have two Transports in front of Agros loaded with a total amount of ten Marines, just land them in Agros and the game is won.

-Martin

HuangShang · August 3, 2002, 14:35

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Originally posted by Martin G?mann

Why you didn't take the city, if a city revolts in CTP2 all the units in are destroyed, so it was empty.

Can you already build spies if yes use them.

-Martin

1. i don't have spies so i'm trying to threathen the Mayans to give me advances

2. i forgot to add that the arabs(light blue) conquered another nation

3. and i just declared war on india... attacking peacemeal again... didn't get anywhere... they unlike the dutch... defended their cities instead of having stacks "on call"

4. so far... only 6 enemies left

its amazing how you won already... i cant play for a while though

HuangShang · August 3, 2002, 14:46

oh and india's the one thats 8th W/ 3 cits

all the wonders except one is under me and greece

i have yet to meet the other wonder holding nation... although i've pretty much have the entire world mapped out

HuangShang · August 3, 2002, 14:51

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HuangShang · August 3, 2002, 14:54

darn... why cant i delete that post