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View Poll Results: Is this acceptable to run on Apolyton?
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It has little to do with bananas, I dont care
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September 6, 2002, 06:14
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I haven't voiced myself yet as I have been away, but this is more than a parody now. "The Chaplin Poly Banner Farce." 
First of all the Canadians are acting like the formula would be Chaplin = Hitler. Apparently only me, aaglo, KX and Markos seem to understand the clue with The Dictator and Chaplin in general. I assume you also think that Modern Times was a hoax and just a cheap comedy. The difference seems to be that Canadians that have been taught to fear fascism like hell and the Dutch have their bad memories left because of the occupation by the Reich, very much dislike the banner and the movie, The Dictator. While the supporters have a different background and view to this issue. IMO The Dictator movie was a very strong expression about what Chaplin wanted to say about fascism. And it isn't really a matter of linking all the war dead with a simple banner and a movie. Don't you have any limits? BTW, those comrade remarks don't fit into this case at all, unless you're now trying to make your own parody.
Conclusion; I do like the banner as it's sarcastic, but as several Apolytoners have sworn an oath to get rid of the banner at any cost, I assume it's better not to use it as there would only be more flaming.
CS,
I think you should calm down. Your anti-nazism policies are now set quite high compared to the situation. And Chaplin actually tries to look like a shabby "Hitler" as he usual does in his movies. 
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September 6, 2002, 06:18
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Run it for all I care. I won't see it.
Erm, don't be surprised if it does not encourage increased sales. See this and the first thread for justification of this statement.
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September 6, 2002, 06:55
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#93
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Settler
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The way i see is that the banner is making fun of hitler not the jews or anyone else killed during the war so i say go ahead and put it up...
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September 6, 2002, 07:03
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You could change the "Buy Apolyton" into:
One Reich! One Fuhrer! One Store!
But you should make a Churchill one too. That guy had enough quotes, so you can easily find one to paraphrase.
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September 6, 2002, 07:07
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Apolyton CS Co-Founder
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But you should make a Churchill one too
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wouldnt we offend the families of the british who were killed in ww2?
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September 6, 2002, 07:24
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#96
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Settler
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By the way your banner offends me because the Germans burnt Lapland while retreating from finland so i think you should definitely put the banner up.. Then i can start whining about it.
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September 6, 2002, 07:25
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Prince
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IMO it's not offensive (but it's not funny either)
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September 6, 2002, 07:26
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Apolyton CS Co-Founder
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always at your service godraz 
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September 6, 2002, 07:33
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Administrator
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MarkG: it's a picture from the movie, therefore it retains the character and all the messages of the movie
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if you know the movie...............
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CyberShy: all you want is profit.
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MarkG: if that was the case i would have stop doing this years ago
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Well, the banner is a commercial banner.
I know that you don't run this site for the profit.
But the banner has a comercial purpose. I would say, never use hitler for that. Not in any way.
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September 6, 2002, 07:35
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Settler
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I find it quite ironic that the German tourists are rushing to Lapland these days =) but hey i dont blame them for what their grandfathers did...
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September 6, 2002, 07:35
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King
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Even if it doesn't offend anyone, it's just kinda dumb anyway. Sorry!
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September 6, 2002, 07:37
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Apolyton CS Co-Founder
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if you know the movie
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so the carrier of a message is responsible for the perception of it by ignorant(on the issue) people?
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September 6, 2002, 07:40
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Settler
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well its nothing astonishing but its okay for a banner which usually arent any funnier that this one...
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September 6, 2002, 07:42
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Even if it doesn't offend anyone, it's just kinda dumb anyway. Sorry!
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no problem, at least you dont think i'm a moron who doesnt care if he offends a few million jews... 
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September 6, 2002, 07:46
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#105
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Settler
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Is this a good place for few jewish jokes? hmm.. maybe some other time.
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September 6, 2002, 07:49
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#106
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its your site , run whatever adds you like.
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September 6, 2002, 07:51
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Apolyton CS Co-Founder
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what? i have power on this site? really?!?
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September 6, 2002, 07:53
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Originally posted by MarkG
what? i have power on this site? really?!?
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sorry you are right, you will have to gets Mings ok first
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September 6, 2002, 08:08
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I have to agree with NYE and the other critics: this banner will only affect sales adversely.
The difference between bad taste and genious is very thin, and in this case I regard the banner as only bad taste. The reference to Chaplin and "The Dictator" is far too vague, which means people will just see Hitler in the pic.
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September 6, 2002, 08:10
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i do have a warning though!
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September 6, 2002, 08:12
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Prince
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Is it just me, or do the number of arguments against this banner tell me, maybe not such a good idea?
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September 6, 2002, 08:14
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It'd be better if you dressed up as hitler yourself, Markos.... or even better, got Ming to.
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September 6, 2002, 08:14
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what if it's animated, and the first frame says "warning: charlie chaplin image ahead" ?
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September 6, 2002, 08:16
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Prince
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what if it's animated, and the first frame says "warning: charlie chaplin image ahead" ?
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I hope this is simulated stupidity, because if it's the real thing I'm worried...
If you ask for an opinion and don't like it, either ignore the opinion and go ahead or take it into account. There's very little point arguing over it.
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"Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman
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September 6, 2002, 08:17
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Settler
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Originally posted by Hurricane
I have to agree with NYE and the other critics: this banner will only affect sales adversely.
The difference between bad taste and genious is very thin, and in this case I regard the banner as only bad taste. The reference to Chaplin and "The Dictator" is far too vague, which means people will just see Hitler in the pic.
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Hmm.. i allways tought that there was something between genious and bad taste you know like between black and white is grey.
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September 6, 2002, 08:19
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Prince
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Random Pratchett quote: (can't resist)
"There's a fine line between genius and madness."
"Well he's fallen off it then."
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September 6, 2002, 08:20
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I hope this is simulated stupidity, because if it's the real thing I'm worried...
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it's simulated sarcasm
sorry if it fails
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If you ask for an opinion and don't like it, either ignore the opinion and go ahead or take it into account. There's very little point arguing over it.
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hmm discussions are worthless then???
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September 6, 2002, 08:24
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Prince
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Originally posted by MarkG
it's simulated sarcasm
sorry if it fails
hmm discussions are worthless then???
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Sarcasm doesn't work well over the Net...we need a smiley for it.
And to be honest this don't sound much like no discussion to me. The poll helps, but mostly it's you failing to accept an opinion...
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September 6, 2002, 08:26
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Perhaps a banner with MarkG fishing
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September 6, 2002, 08:27
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Prince
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Or something else along the 'if you don't buy from Apolyton' theme but with a reversal...like 'every time you buya product from the Apolyton Store we injure Christine Hamilton a little more...'
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