Anarchists chant pro-terrorist slogans at Athens rally

[Bereta_Eder]

ATHENS, Greece - Demonstrators at an anarchist march Tuesday chanted slogans in support of Greece's deadly November 17 terrorist group but avoided confrontation with police.





More than a thousand people joined the central Athens rally, held to protest the police's alleged abuse of power since it cracked down on the once-elusive terrorist group and arrested 17 suspected members.

The far-left organization killed 23 people — including officials from Britain, Turkey and the United States — between 1975 and 2000.

Members of anarchist groups and supporters took part in the march which ended without incident. The city's main streets were closed to traffic for more than an hour, while more than 400 police officers in riot gear stood by.

Youths wearing black hoods and crash helmets sprayed slogans on the walls of Athens University and other downtown buildings. One said: "Respect for November 17," while another read: "Freedom for the fighters who never give up."

Police said the French companion of Alexandros Giotopoulos, the alleged November 17 leader, who is in prison custody, joined Tuesday's rally.

The arrests of November 17 suspects were triggered by a bungled bomb attack on June 29.

Anarchists groups have voiced protest against police Greece's news media since the crackdown started and have on several occasions attacked journalists and TV camera crews.



Government, political parties condemn pro-terrorist demonstration
Wed Oct 2,12:19 PM ET

ATHENS, Greece - The Socialist government and political parties on Wednesday condemned a demonstration by about 1,500 people who marched through Athens in support of Greece's deadliest terrorist group and chanted insults about some of its victims.





"We disagree ideologically and politically and ... felt some particularly bad feelings from some of the slogans that were heard," said government spokesman Christos Protopappas.

But he conceded the marchers had the right to voice their support for the November 17 group, which is blamed for killing 23 people — including 4 American officials — since 1975. The group's latest victim was British defense attache Stephen Saunders, gunned down in June 2000.

Although there have been some small gatherings in support of November 17, it was the first such rally to be held in Greece. Many demonstrators in Tuesday's march chanted slogans in favor of November 17 suspects in jail pending trial.

The group carried a mix of Marxists and ultra-nationalist outlooks. It is named for the day in 1973 when military rulers crushed a student-led protest.

Demonstrators also spray-painted pro-November 17 messages on the walls of Athens University and chanted slogans ridiculing November 17 victims.

"What is right is that Saunders is alone and needs another two," some of the demonstrators chanted.

Conservative deputy Dora Bakoyianni, a leading candidate for mayor of Athens in Oct. 13 elections, condemned the march. She is the widow of Pavlos Bakoyiannis, a popular conservative deputy, was killed by the group in 1989.

"It causes me rage, rage and repugnance," Bakoyianni said. "I must say that it is inconceivable for the birthplace of civilization to present such an image ... With the desecration of innocent victims and monuments of this city."

A public prosecutor ordered police to examine video tapes of the demonstration in an effort to identify the people who spray-painted the university. He asked for their arrest on charges of "celebrating criminal activity."




Now I am disgusted by these people but in a democracy averyone has the right to let his voice be heard.


I wonder if this would be allowed in other allegded "democratic" countries like the UK and the US.


We are really the best.

[chequita guevara]

Go N17!

[DinoDoc]

I wonder if this would be allowed in other allegded "democratic" countries like the UK and the US.

We allow pro-Klan marches all the time. I wonder if Europe can make a similar claim.

Anarchists chant pro-terrorist slogans at Athens rally

Considering the history of the anarchist movement, does this really suprise you?

[chequita guevara]

Blow up paiktis!

[Felch]

Originally posted by paiktis22
I wonder if this would be allowed in other allegded "democratic" countries like the UK and the US.

Luckily the founders of the American republic based our society on the ideals of Roman organized and structured civility, not the Greek reliance on mobs and tyrants.

We do not view the right to vandalize buildings as fundamental, nor do we view the right to chant slogans of support for criminals to be commendable.

However, we would freely allow people to march and say whatever they like, so long as they don't riot, or incite riots.

[Bereta_Eder]

In other words you're a regime, a parody of democracy. Just as I though.

Luckily the founders of the American republic based our society on the ideals of Roman organized and structured civility

And thanks for the laugh

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Felch X
[...]
Luckily the founders of the American republic based our society on the ideals of Roman [...]

Oh no ... Are you saying that there troubling links between Nero and W Bush ???

Bad boy !

[Felch]

Oh no, two people from countries with histories of absolutes monarchs, unstable democracies, and military regimes are telling me I don't come from a free society.

Gee, they sure are good judges of such matters. I'd better take their unsolicited and ignorant opinions seriously.

[Bereta_Eder]

Felch is dumb witted. He sees "riots" where riots do not exist.

And he thinks America is a well organized civilized society... (based on the roman and NOT greek model if you please) (like he can tell the difference)

[Bereta_Eder]

Not only you dont come from a free society felch but you have no social care either and you live in a crime infested hellhole.
sorry

[Arrian]

Felch, what the hell are you talking about? The US allows protests/rallies, so long as they are peaceful, even if they are offensive to the majority.

Neo-Nazis, the Klan, etc. have marches and parades. They're morons, but they have the consititutional right to be morons so long as they don't break things or hurt people.

Please note the following public service notice:

PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

-Arrian

[Felch]

To respond seriously is a waste of time, but since I have nothing to do, I'll do it anyways.

Democracy was not what the framers of the Constitution wanted. You are correct. They didn't want anarchists rioting in the streets of our capital. They didn't want to have five different republics in less than two hundred years, punctuated by military dictatorships and imperial coups. They wanted a stable society where the will of the people would be considered, but where the rule of law was supreme.

And I'm not kidding about Rome being more important to them than Greece. They read Cato and Cicero, not Pericles or Herodotus.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Arrian
Felch, what the hell are you talking about? The US allows protests/rallies, so long as they are peaceful, even if they are offensive to the majority.

Neo-Nazis, the Klan, etc. have marches and parades. They're morons, but they have the consititutional right to be morons so long as they don't break things or hurt people.

When did I say anything to contradict this? All I said is that we don't view vandalism as a right, and that people who support criminals are not commended.

[Felch]

Originally posted by paiktis22


Felch is dumb witted. He sees "riots" where riots do not exist.

And he thinks America is a well organized civilized society... (based on the roman and NOT greek model if you please) (like he can tell the difference)

If a mob of people are chanting slogans in support of murderers, and committing crimes while the police stand near by and watch, I would call it a riot. Unless it's legal to vandalize in Greece (Maybe it is, in that case I'm wrong about the rioting).

America is based on the Roman model. I have lived here for close to twenty years, and know the history of my own country and its founding. Furthermore, it's hardly a crime infested hellhole, and I would consider myself a better judge of that than someone who doesn't live here.

It's funny, everything I've said can be supported by historical evidence, while everything you've said is just pure silliness and slander.

[Bereta_Eder]

Cato and Cicero read Plato and Aristotle.

In anycase to compare your country with Rome is ridiculous to say the least.

you have a crimerate that makes you equal to latin america. no social security and around 38 million living below poverty homeless and dying.

you are the hell Europe tries not to be and has succeded so far.

to state that america is a well organized and civilized no less society is laughable at best.

unless you compare yourself with uganda.

[Bereta_Eder]

and you had the facts about marches in the US wrong as well. figures.

[DinoDoc]

Doesn't Greece have laws about vandalism or do they go out the window when political rallies are going on?

[Bereta_Eder]

Doesnt LA ring a bell when it comes to vandalism? or the riots at seattle?

dont you have laws for that?

or do you compare them with writing slogans on some walls?

you americans sure aint very fast witted.

[Felch]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Cato and Cicero read Plato and Aristotle.

True, but they had their own views. Early Americans viewed Rome as more stable and a better model than Athens (Bear in mind most of Greece was never democratic)

In anycase to compare your country with Rome is ridiculous to say the least.

Why? Our legions prop up regimes we like (hence November 17) and overthrow ones we don't like (Too many to count). Our culture permeates virtually every other country in the world (You are communicating in English, on a website about an American product, using Internet protocols developed by Americans). We are the new Rome, a modern republic where the rule of law is superior to the whims of the mob.

you have a crimerate that makes you equal to latin america. no social security and around 38 million living below poverty homeless and dying.

Okay, how about this? Crimes are committed by people around the world, it's hardly an American problem. Social Security is one of the largest items on the American budget, in spite of the fact that it's not in the Constitution. And the poverty line is changed routinely, moving up to reflect that Americans have very high standards of living, even among the poor (hence, cg and Albert Speer for example is able to use technology that the majority of people in the world would never conceive of using.)

you are the hell Europe tries not to be and has succeded so far.

Europe? You mean that place where the Balkans are? Oh yes, because I remember just a couple years ago all that ethnic cleansing that was taking place out in Indiana between different nationalist ethnic groups that had to be cut stopped by the use of European air power. Right, sure, whatever.

to state that america is a well organized and civilized no less society is laughable at best.

unless you compare yourself with uganda.

Wow, a well reasoned and rational argument supported by impeachable evidence. I just can't argue with your astounding logic, my dear little Hellene.

[Felch]

Originally posted by paiktis22
and you had the facts about marches in the US wrong as well. figures.

I've been to marches in the US. I don't have my facts wrong at all.

[Imran Siddiqui]

They are scared of them... you know, mob mentality. They aren't are civil as we are in the states, Bill. You know that .

[Bereta_Eder]

yes america does prop up murderous regimes. that why people are amuzed when you cry about osama and the payback you received.

crime at your tortured country is inhumane and there is no comparison with europe


your "culture" is regarded as trash everywhere and is good just for passing 2 hours when you have nothing else to do

to compare yourself with rome is laughable and testimony to your incredible sillyness.

[Bereta_Eder]

and apparebntly you had teh facts about the marches in US wrong. being in one doesn automatically endow you with complete knowledge of the laws, nomatter how suprising this must seem to you.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Our culture is trash, yet everyone gobbles it up. Who is worse, the one who puts out the trash, or the people that beg for it?

Do you were blue jeans, paiktis? Have you ever eaten at McDonalds or an American hamburger place?

My, my, what trash you are .

[Bereta_Eder]

yes i wear european jeans.

yes i have eaten at mcdonalds

and they are trash.

compared with everything you got from europe i'd say your own contributions have been clearly... mediocre? (to put it mildly)

[chequita guevara]

Stupid nationalists.

[chequita guevara]

Oh wait, that's redundent.

[Felch]

Originally posted by paiktis22
yes america does prop up murderous regimes. that why people are amuzed when you cry about osama and the payback you received.

No disagreement.

crime at your tortured country is inhumane and there is no comparison with europe

I just compared it with the Balkans. There is not ethnic cleansing in the United States. Besides, I live in the United States. Many other posters live here also. How many of us complain about living in a "tortured country?"

your "culture" is regarded as trash everywhere and is good just for passing 2 hours when you have nothing else to do

It's regarded as trash here also. What's your point? My point was that Greeks still watch American films more than we watch Greek films. The same holds true for music, TV, et al. Americans don't care about anything Greeks have produced that isn't ancient.

to compare yourself with rome is laughable and testimony to your incredible sillyness.

Why? I offered evidence showing how we are like Rome. You offered no meaningful arguments to contradict me.

[Bereta_Eder]

then you should not complain when terrorists kill your people since you obviously regard it as just punishment.


there is no ethnic cleansing in the US but there are more dead from its inhuman violence over the years. besides the balkans isnt my country (another surprise maybe) the amount of violence in the US is simply breathtaking, yet you seem to have been accustomed to it not to make such a big impression.

i'm glad you acknowledge your "culture" is trash. ours isnt the fact that you dont see more of our films is a matter that concerns you, solely

america cannot compared with rome unless by dumb witted americans to explain why would be a waste of internet space

[Felch]

Originally posted by paiktis22
and apparebntly you had teh facts about the marches in US wrong. being in one doesn automatically endow you with complete knowledge of the laws, nomatter how suprising this must seem to you.

Fine. Demonstrate to me how I'm wrong. Are Americans not allowed to protest? I was at a protest, and my friends have been to protests. We must have all been dreaming the whole thing though, because somebody who lives in Greece tells me I don't know anything about America.

compared with everything you got from europe i'd say your own contributions have been clearly... mediocre? (to put it mildly)

I never said we made good contributions. Rome didn't really. Mostly they just copied the Greeks. However our system of government (indirect democracy with access limited to the rich and powerful) is based on the Roman model.

You still haven't done anything except dance around and ignore my arguments.