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Promethus · October 25, 2002, 22:25

October 25, 2002

2 Hostages Killed in Moscow Theater
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 10:07 p.m. ET

MOSCOW (AP) -- Two male hostages were killed and a male and female were wounded early Saturday in the standoff at a Moscow theater, said Pavel Kudryabtsev, an official at a command center handling the crisis.

The report came minutes after gunfire and explosions shook the area for the second time during the night.

The command center said it tried to make contact with hostage-takers but failed, Interfax news agency reported.

The hostage-takers had threatened to begin killing their captives by sunrise Saturday if their demands for Russia's withdrawal from Chechnya weren't met.

Kudryabtsev's announcement came at about 6 a.m. local time, just after a series of explosions and gunfire were heard in the theater area -- the second time during the night such noises rang out there.

Lonestar · October 25, 2002, 22:36

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Originally posted by Lord Merciless

4. Pressure on Georgia to finally do something against terrosits or else.
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WTF? Do you know how many Mid-to-senior Al Qaeda leaders the Georgian Military has netted in the last 3 months?

30. Jesus, it's the Georgian army, not the effing Gurkhas. Give them time.

Promethus · October 25, 2002, 22:45

October 25, 2002

Explosions and Heavy Gunfire Heard at Moscow Theater
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

MOSCOW -- A group of soldiers with guns drawn ran toward a Moscow theater and more explosions and heavy gunfire were heard early Saturday as a couple of people were seen running from the theater where hundreds of hostages were being held by Chechen gunmen.

An armored personnel carrier also moved toward the theater, and a group of about 30 soldiers who had earlier been hiding behind a nearby structure moved out of view toward the theater.

JCG · October 25, 2002, 22:45

Looks like the killing's started...

Dr Strangelove · October 25, 2002, 22:57

I wonder how they were going to verify that the Russians had withdrawn from Chechnya?

Promethus · October 25, 2002, 23:02

Chechen Rebels Killing Hostages at Moscow Theater
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 10:46 p.m. ET

MOSCOW (AP) -- The Chechen rebels holding hundreds of captives have started killing hostages, Russian news agencies reported early Saturday after a series of explosions and gunfire were heard in the area.

A group of soldiers with guns drawn ran toward a Moscow theater and more explosions and heavy gunfire were heard as a couple of people were seen running from the theater.

Serb · October 25, 2002, 23:17

Official info,
Sergey Ignatenko, representative of emergency HQ just said-
terrorsts started to kill hostages, confirmend info about 2 hostages dead and two injured. Hostages were trying to escape theater. Group of speznaz moved in theater to support escape of hostages. Two of hostages, both women now in HQ.
Several ambulance and several bus are moving to theater.

I love how your media call those guys gunman and rebels. Is it still don't clear that those guys are terrorists. The people are dying here and you call them rebels?

Promethus · October 25, 2002, 23:22

Serb

Sorry, I don't write the news. You were not posting and I saw this hapening and I posted what I saw.

Serb · October 25, 2002, 23:22

THEY DID IT.
THE THEATER IS LIBERATED.
No shooting anymore. speznaz freely going inside/outside of the building. More ambulance and bus arive to theater.
Thanks God.

Lord Merciless · October 25, 2002, 23:24

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Originally posted by Sonic
You, btw, seem to be very against Islam as a religion.

Yes, because most of its followers are still caught in Middle Age barbarism. I will continue to hate Islam as long as there is no serious reform toward modernity from within.

Serb · October 25, 2002, 23:24

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Originally posted by Promethus
Serb

Sorry, I don't write the news. You were not posting and I saw this hapening and I posted what I saw.

I didn't mean you of course. Sorry please don't take it personal. I mean your media, reporters who write the news, those guys need to think again about the defeinitions they use.
Thanks God situation is resolved I'm going to watch the TV.

EDIT: Too many grammar errors.

Serb · October 25, 2002, 23:38

The building is under control. Spcnaz disabled majority of explosives. Evacuation of hostages has started. No info about casualities. majority of terrorists killed, including their leader. remaining could be among hostages.

Promethus · October 25, 2002, 23:40

Moscow Theater Under the Control of Russian Troops
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

MOSCOW -- Russian special forces stormed the theater where Chechen rebels were holding hundreds of hostages, and officials said they were in control of the building. About 20 bodies were seen being removed from the theater and the lead hostage-taker was reportedly killed.

The hostages were being let out of the building, said Pavel Kudryavtsev, an official at the command center handling the crisis. Buses were also seen heading to the theater.

The bodies were brought out shortly after an AP photographer saw about a hundred Russian special forces troops and firefighters entered the building. Wounded hostages were seen being removed from the Moscow theater where hundreds are being held, Russian news agencies reported.

The Interfax news agency also said several people, apparently hostage-takers, were being brought out from the building with their hands bound.

Six Thousand Year Old Man · October 25, 2002, 23:57

Glad it has been resolved

- and I hope that the casualties were mostly (if not all!) terrorists.

And here's to a speedy trial for the surviving terrorists, followed by some speedy executions.

Lord Merciless · October 26, 2002, 00:00

Great job by Russian Spetznaz!

Now it's time to go back on the offensive and wipe these bandits out.

JCG · October 26, 2002, 00:35

Good work yes, but a couple of questions:

1)How many hostages died during the rescue operation, if any?

2)Were the explosives a bluff, or were the terrorists completely surprised? If wasn't a bluff, then I cannot understand HOW they pulled this off without the theater blowing up....

As long as the reprisal/crackdown on Chechnya itself is rational (I KNOW terrorists aren't rational, don't tell me), then yes it might be necessary, at least in the short term...Sad thing is, you can never eliminate this kind of people, if you give them even a slight reason to keep spawning, which is hard to prevent, I know.

Serb · October 26, 2002, 00:45

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Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
Glad it has been resolved

- and I hope that the casualties were mostly (if not all!) terrorists.

I'm afraid not. The decision about storm was took after terrorists started to execute hostages. As I said yesterday, many news agencies reported that this morning believed to be date of execution of hostages. There was information that terrorist's leaders gave them only three days for this "operation". Some hostages more probably already being killed by terrorists when specnaz entered the theater. No info about casualties among hostages yet. Majority of them in deep shok and even unable to move. Officers carry them to buses.
One of the high ranked officials of minestery of internal affairs just said that 36 terrists, including their leader were killed. Several captured. Suicide bombers were neutralized. Specnaz prevented explosion of building. Majority of explosives installed inside building are disabled. Specialists and robots took care about remaining explosives now.
Unconfirmed info says that no casualties among specnaz.

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And here's to a speedy trial for the surviving terrorists, followed by some speedy executions.

To bad Russia can't execute them in accordance with Shahri law (belowed by sonic). There were no single execution in Russia during last several years, because we have maratorium for death warrants. Perhaps, for this case our government make an exception.

Serb · October 26, 2002, 00:59

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Originally posted by JCG
Good work yes, but a couple of questions:

1)How many hostages died during the rescue operation, if any?

No info yet. There willl be casualties among hostages. They started to kill them and hostages made an attempt to escape. How many were killed by terrorists is still unknown.

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2)Were the explosives a bluff, or were the terrorists completely surprised? If wasn't a bluff, then I cannot understand HOW they pulled this off without the theater blowing up....

IT wasn't a bluff. there were two explosions. And it wasn't a surpirse attack. Terrorists started the execution. There were sounds of gun fire and explosions inside building, and group of hostages rying to escape, immedieantly specnaz entered the building to cover up escaping hostages and neutralize terrorists.

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As long as the reprisal/crackdown on Chechnya itself is rational (I KNOW terrorists aren't rational, don't tell me), then yes it might be necessary, at least in the short term...Sad thing is, you can never eliminate this kind of people, if you give them even a slight reason to keep spawning, which is hard to prevent, I know.

I'm just outraged as all people of Russia. There were children, 6-8 years old children among the hostages. Those bastards has nothing holy in their souls.

Promethus · October 26, 2002, 01:01

Serb

I do not believe in killing people, they should live to regret their crimes. Put them in the worst "Hell Hole" of a prison you have and give them good medical services so they live a long time. This is much worse rhan dieing.

Serb · October 26, 2002, 01:15

lates news,
All actors of "Nord-Ost" musical including children from theater troupe who being held hostages are alive. Co-producer of musical admit this. No info about casualties among other hostages.
No casualties among specnaz officialy confirmed.

Serb · October 26, 2002, 01:35

News said that during attack specnz used special sleeping gas. It explains why many hostages were unable to move by themselves. Also I saw video how hostages were evacuated, most of them looks like they are sleeping.
News says that within next hour full list oh hostages being held in theater will be anounced.
Each of kamikadzes carry on them 0.7-2Kg of explosives (throtil (spelling?))

Also officials suggest that probably 1-2 terrorists could managed to escape. Two terrorists wearing civilian clothes were just captured outside of theater.

Serb · October 26, 2002, 02:08

All FSB and police personal was immeaditly evacuated from the theater. The FSB explosives specialists found new bombs within theater and now trying to remove them.
All hostages were already removed. Reporters even made video from inside of the building, showing dead bodies of terrorists. No bodies of hostages were shown.

Capt Dizle · October 26, 2002, 02:22

My heart goes out to the dead and wounded hostages. Hats of to Putin.

Now, find the families of the terrorists and retalitate, for each hostage dead kill seven terrorist relatives. For each hostage maimed, maim seven terrorist relatives.

Calculate the cost of the attack and remove seven times that value from the personal belonging of the terrorist relatives, and if they don't have the money take it away from the Islamic community. They are the ones who failed to stop these terrorists before they acted. They are at fault.

Boris Godunov · October 26, 2002, 02:27

Your shtick stopped being amusing a while ago and now it's just sad, sad, sad, jimmy. It's like you feed off of being pathetic.

Serb · October 26, 2002, 03:29

The threat of explosion of theater has gone. All FSB and police personal returned to building. Experts also check all car near the theater. There is suspicion that terrrorists could left explosives in cars on which they arrived. There was no opportunity to check it while terrorists controled the building, because car parking is very close to main gates of theater.
The head of Federal Security Service (FSB) Nickolai Patrushev reported to president Putin about end of operation. In accoradnce with his report 34 terrorists were killed and all remeining were captured, that no one escaped. Previously it was said that 1-2 terrorists wearing civilian clothes still could hide outside of the theater.
Also it was said that all foreigners are alive. Still no any data about casualties among hostages. From video I saw, in central room where musical was shown and where later hostages have being held, there are no traces of explosion, serious damage or bodies of hostages, only dead terrorists.

Serb · October 26, 2002, 03:43

jimmytrick,
Please calm down. It's over.
If we would do what you suggest we will become the same barbarians as those "people". It will never happen. We can't punish inocent people, any civilaized country can't allow this.
However the "people" who send those terrorists will be punished. I'm sure. First of all it's "people" who planed this action, the "people" who was terribly proud when they were saying that "soon we'll launch a unique operation". Maskhadov and Basayev. Those and everyone else who is connected to this crime, should be found and punished.
We know who send them, even those terrorists who took hostages admited that they act by order of Maskhadow. However I guess, Maskhadov is just a little fish and real organisers are from outside of my country. But first we must find him.

Hueij · October 26, 2002, 03:43

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Now, find the families of the terrorists and retalitate, for each hostage dead kill seven terrorist relatives. For each hostage maimed, maim seven terrorist relatives.

Biblical guy eh? ********

for the Russian special forces

The Mad Monk · October 26, 2002, 03:50

I just saw that Moscow's mayor is saying that 130 were killed.

Link:

http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtm...toryID=1636824

Thanks to Drudge for the link.

Serb · October 26, 2002, 04:11

One citizen of Israel was among the hostages- Valeria Lizanskaya from Haifa 45 years old.

Serb · October 26, 2002, 04:49

In accordance with last info, 37 terrorists were eliminated, 30 bombs were disabled. Still no data about casualities among hostages. What they are waiting for?

Also, many meetings in Chechnya to support actions against terrorists. To whom I'm telling this? You will not believe in this anyway.