Is there a way to not allow the Russians Democracy through editing?

jpinard · November 11, 2002, 04:00

I'm wondering if there are any kind of custom edits I can do to not allow the Russians the tech path the Democracy or Republic.

Is there a way to do this? I want them to end up using Communism...

Tomji · November 11, 2002, 06:12

Russians didnt invent communism and didnt start it themself either. Invented by german jews and the revolution was lead by a russian jewish minority
(stalin was able to slowly break their power tho)
just cold facts

statusperfect · November 11, 2002, 06:14

Quote:

Originally posted by Tomji
Invented by german jews and the revolution was lead by a russian jewish minority
(stalin was able to slowly break their power tho)
just cold facts

Please tell me you're kidding.

Tomji · November 11, 2002, 06:16

no.
what does it matter? it's fact's.
Read a few books etc

statusperfect · November 11, 2002, 06:18

I just read a 600 page biography on Lenin. It said nothing about jews.

Tomji · November 11, 2002, 06:20

you, off course, are aware that he is a jew as well?

jpinard · November 11, 2002, 06:21

How about answering my question instead of giving me facts that are useless to me.

Thanks.

Tomji · November 11, 2002, 06:22

Sorry... I have no idea about editing the game

just kinda stumbled on it

statusperfect · November 11, 2002, 06:23

Quote:

Originally posted by jpinard
How about answering my question instead of giving me facts that are useless to me.

Thanks.

We dont' know thw answer.... sorry for intruding

statusperfect · November 11, 2002, 06:30

How about trying out the creation forum? http://apolyton.net/forums/forumdisp...s=&forumid=137

Cagliostro · November 11, 2002, 06:34

Marx was Jewish (it was a family of rabbis, his father was a lawyer who converted to protestantism due to the antisemitic laws in germany at that time, which wouldn't let him practise his job) - that's true, but Engels was not - but why is that of any significance anyway unless you start stating something weird about a jewish world-conspiracy? (and the templars living in the underground city of Agarrtha, hoarding the grail, which in reality is a giant harrddrive, being so huge it's responsible for the magnetism of the poles - the world v 1.06 g is running on it, and they're reprogramming my life as soon as I get to know a girl, which is why I never get one - Aaaaaah! - aaaaaah! They're coming for me - the Tibetan - Killermonks and the wise of zion!!! - got to contact the hyperborean superhumans and the ochrana to save me

)

Vormaerin · November 11, 2002, 06:34

Civs have "Preferred" and "Shunned" governments in their descriptions. I don't know how much impact those settings actually have.

The AI rarely builds a civilization in which Communism is a "better" government choice, so I suspect it would be somewhat difficult to force them to make suboptimal choices of that sort.

You might also try the help or the general fora, as they may have a wider readership and the mechanisms involved are likely the same.

Aloha
Vormaerin

notyoueither · November 11, 2002, 06:38

The Russians already have demo as shunned gov type.

I don't see how to prevent them if the attractions over-ride the shunned hurdle. I'm not even sure what that hurdle would be.

Creation would be a better forum for this.

notyoueither · November 11, 2002, 06:39

Besides, Russia is almost a democracy. Why do you want to prevent it?

statusperfect · November 11, 2002, 06:39

Cagliostro> Couldn't have said it better myself

Tomji · November 11, 2002, 06:47

religion doesnt matter until a *revolution* is lead to 90+% by a a religion that is a gross minority in that country.
How can you *not* wonder whats up`?

The fact is that Germany helped the recolution (since they were at war, etc)
I found this little bit here:
http://www.historyguide.org/europe/lecture5.html

Cagliostro · November 11, 2002, 07:10

@Tomji: I don't want to start a discussion on the topic here, because it's really off the topic this thread has, but alll this "the jewish are responsible for this and for that" - stuff is really making me sick.
Communist antisemites bashing the "jewish capitalists", capitalist antisemites bashing the "jewish communists", nationalsocialist antisemites bashing the "jewish communists and capitalists" etc...
I don't want to invetsigate everyone being involved in the octoberrevolution in terms of his "religion" (communists - religion

) - but just some simple facts:

You said communism was invented by german jews - it was invented by 2 protestants, of which one had jewish ancestors - so it's no matter of religion (and obviously marx and engels were atheists, not even realprotestants...) - so stating "jewish" in this context is no matter of religion, but a matter of race - and even then it's not true - it was invented by jews (in a "racial" definition) by 50% - you said it was 100%...

The fact that Germany helped the revolution - well - sending Lenin back to destabilize an opposing war party makes sense - so why are you mentioning a truism like that at all? It's like saying: Mmmmh - did you know that Marx was living in Bonn for a year in 1835, did lots of partying and was inspired by Hegel in 1837...

@jpinard: Sorrry for interrupting your thread, but I just couldn't help myself (I really don't want to, but...)

notyoueither · November 11, 2002, 08:04

I think the following passages put paid to the crap being posted.

... Nationalist movements rolled through the Ukraine, Finland and the Baltic States. Cossacks, Bashkirs, Siberians, Buryats declared themselves independent. Racial hatred boiled over. Jews were particular targets. "The pogrom movement is rising," the Russkiye Vedomosti correspondent in Bessarabia reported. "Talk is heard of shifting all the blame on the Jews."

Kerensky took brandy and morphine. "He really is hysterical," his secretary told Louise Bryant. "He weeps and is so dreadfully alone. I mean, he cannot depend on anyone." There had still been no elections for the Constituent Assembly, the parliament promised since March. Committees had examined the American, Belgian and Swiss constitutions in their search for perfection. They discussed the merits of proportional representation and an upper house -- "All Russia, it seemed, was just talking and talking." Leon Trotsky, "a son of a ***** but the greatest Jew since Jesus," in the eyes of an American Red Cross representative, was a doer, not a talker. And he had just been released from prison. The stage was now nearly set for the greatest drama and the greatest dream of the twentieth century -- the Bolshevik Revolution of October 1917.

So, the jews were being blamed for the turmoil. That, and one son of a b*tch of a jew was about to put it to an end.

Quality sources there.

Tomji · November 11, 2002, 09:31

god damn it Cagliostro.
That wasnt my point at all.

The original poster wanted a mainly communist russia.
I simply said that russia didnt become communist out of it's own. Communist movement was international by definition. (ever listend to the early communist hymn?)

If what I said is considered anti-semite is a whole diffrent question. I wouldnt say so. Maybe the current jews are not proud of it anymore

Cagliostro · November 11, 2002, 10:04

Well - sorry if it wasn't your point, but it appeared to me, because it seemed important to you if someone was jewish or not - and as a matter of fact, communism was not invented by jews unless you pay attention to Marx' ancestry, which is a tendentiously racist thinking imho, because he didn't define himself as being jewish.

As I said in my first post on the topic: "why is that of any significance anyway unless you start stating something weird about a jewish world-conspiracy?"

The fact that Germany sent Lenin to Russia also doesn't mean that Russia didn't become communist out of it's own imo - he hadn't been successfull if his thoughts hadn't fell on extremely fertile soil - and he couldn't have done anything on his own - he was just the last ignition, but that doesn't change anything about the fact that the russian people did the revolution on it's own - not some team of conspiring Jews...

On the "Internationale" - heh - thanks for reminding me - I have it as mp3, sung by the russian red army choir *fires up winamp*