November 16, 2002, 05:08
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Settler
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Happy Faces?!?!?!
I have a question... not sure if its a bug... but here goes:
I've got a city with population 12. Level Monarch.
Happiness Improvements: Temple / Colossium / Cathedral
Wonders: Hanging Gardens
Laxuary Resources: Silk, Incense
Government: Monarchy
Garrison: 1 Pikeman, 1 Spearman
Entertainment Level: 0%
Now the problem is that for some reason the city has 5 happy citizens even though it should only have 2. Is there something I'm missing or is there a major logic bug?
Also if anyone is having the same problem please post.
Thanks in advance. 
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November 16, 2002, 05:29
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Deity
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Do you have a market place and some lux resources? If so that will do it, depending on how many luxs are available.
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November 16, 2002, 05:36
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Settler
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errrrr.... thanks but i dont think you read my post proply.
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Laxuary Resources: Silk, Incense
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November 16, 2002, 05:39
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Has another Civ declared war or done a sneak attack recently? This results in extra happy faces.
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November 16, 2002, 05:48
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Settler
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please explain.... if u can off course... 
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November 16, 2002, 05:51
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I presume you are familiar with War Weariness? If another Civ declares war on you and/or launches a sneak attack, it causes War Weariness in reverse, that is, it makes people happier. This might explain the three extra happy faces you're seeing.
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November 16, 2002, 06:08
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Settler
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oh... ok... well that might explain it... could there be any other couses?
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November 16, 2002, 06:11
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Not that I know of.
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November 16, 2002, 09:47
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Does'nt the Hanging Gardens give extra happy faces for a time, Im sure it does.
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November 16, 2002, 09:52
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Yup. Three in the city it's built in, and one everywhere else on that continent.
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November 16, 2002, 12:11
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Chieftain
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Hanging Gardens and any other wonders or improvements only add content people, not happy. Luxuries, luxury rate, and entertainers are the only things that can make a person truely 'happy'.
I just ran a test in the debug mode and added the Hanging Gardens and all those other improvements to a city, yet still had 0 happy people.
I bet you had some entertainers in the city.
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November 16, 2002, 13:18
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Warlord
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It's only content? I though it was happy, and the Oracle and Shakespeare, in particular, was content. Hrm.
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November 16, 2002, 16:15
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Chieftain
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What is the exact level of your happy, content, and unhappy citizen?
Last edited by Crostoneman; November 16, 2002 at 16:22.
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November 16, 2002, 19:02
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Settler
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lol... most of you people are more n00b then me... its prolly war weariness. I am still to test it.
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November 16, 2002, 19:40
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The Hanging Gardens makes three content people happy in the city where it is built and one other in all other cities including those on other continents/islands.
Ruski if you had two happy citizens prior to building the Hanging Gardens then you would gain an extra three happy faces converted from contented upon completion.
I can only assume you built this wonder in the city in question where you have the five happy faces. If you check your manual or the in game civilopedia you can see for yourself the effects of all great and small wonders.
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November 16, 2002, 20:34
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Settler
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Well as far as I recall, Civilopidea says that the Hanging Gardens gives 3 content citizens in the city its build in and 2 in all other cities, not happy but contect.
But I will double check!
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November 16, 2002, 20:47
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Chieftain
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Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus
Ruski if you had two happy citizens prior to building the Hanging Gardens then you would gain an extra three happy faces converted from contented upon completion.
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Then how come when I was in the debug mode and put every single wonder and every single improvement into a city (size 1), that 1 person was only content?(which should be happy with all the improvements and wonders in the city).
Wonders, improvements, and Military police will give you a ton of content people, but luxuries (marketplace helps too with 3 or more luxuries), luxury rate and entertainers are the only things that can convert content people to happy. And maybe this reverse war-weariness thing, not sure...
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November 16, 2002, 21:15
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Settler
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yeah... thats pritty stright forward just read under "Happy Faces" in the civilopidia. I'm trying to test this reverse war weariness but the stupid romans dont want to sign a peace treaty 
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November 16, 2002, 22:14
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Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
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Has another Civ declared war or done a sneak attack recently? This results in extra happy faces.
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Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
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I presume you are familiar with War Weariness? If another Civ declares war on you and/or launches a sneak attack, it causes War Weariness in reverse, that is, it makes people happier. This might explain the three extra happy faces you're seeing.
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How the heck would a Civ declaring war on you, make your citizens happy ?? (im not saying your wrong but its just tottaly stupid and senseless. Am i just not understanding correctly or something)
Anyway thanx
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November 16, 2002, 22:22
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How the heck would a Civ declaring war on you, make your citizens happy ?? (im not saying your wrong but its just tottaly stupid and senseless. Am i just not understanding correctly or something)
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I've observed this in-game many times, so I have no doubt that it occurs. I believe the reasoning behind it is that an outside attack usually causes citizens to rally around their government - you need look no further than Pearl Harbor or September 11 for examples of this.
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November 16, 2002, 23:42
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Settler
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you need look no further than Pearl Harbor or September 11 for examples of this.
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dam man... you beat me to that reply I was going to say exactly the same thing, compare the public support for Vietnam  and Afganistan  wars... rather different support they 
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November 17, 2002, 00:54
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The way it can occcur if that people are looking for revenge. I can see that they could get happy when you slammed the enemy, but not when the war breaks out. Pearl Harbor, did not make anyone happy, but winning a battle could after it.
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November 17, 2002, 02:06
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'Happiness' in Civ 3 terms equates to being happy with the government, not being happy generally. It' quite possible for a person to be generally unhappy but still support their government.
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