November 26, 2002, 21:39
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The million dollar question.
So now that v1.14 has been released the million dollar question is does this patch fix MP? I've been holding back on buying PtW because of all the bad word of mouth it has recieved here at 'poly and now I'd like to hear from a few of our loyal 'poly users. Does patch 1.14 make MP usable and enjoyable? I'm primarially interested in multiplayer; should I buy PtW?
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November 26, 2002, 21:58
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Yes.
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Yes.
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November 26, 2002, 23:25
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I've just played a game with 5 People, with minimal lag.
The new patch is a HUGE(and this is not the good word) improvement... now MP is Playable and Enjoyable!!!!!!
Have a nice day
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November 26, 2002, 23:39
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1.14 unbelievable.
I mean it seems to have done the impossible and fixed almost all the problems.
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November 26, 2002, 23:41
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Much improved multiplayer. Now I remember why I paid for this game!!
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November 27, 2002, 04:42
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wil they mark new boxes with the current patch or will I have to buy the game and they load the patch from the internet, how big is it exactly? (subquestions: Is the first patch included, do I need another PTW disc or can I multiplay with the original?)
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November 27, 2002, 05:56
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do I need another PTW disc or can I multiplay with the original?
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most multiplayer games need 1 cd per (network) computer. But 99 out of 100 times, you just start the tame with the cd, remove the cd and put it in a 2nd pc, start the game, remove it, and put it in a 3rd pc. etc. etc.
rarely a pc might as for the cd, in that case just remove it from one of the other pc's and put it in.
I think that's legal, the game wants to be sure you bought the game to start it. You can prove that by putting it in initially.
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November 27, 2002, 11:15
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thats not legal but we'll pretend it is.
without a licence, it's one copy, one machine. 
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November 27, 2002, 11:38
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of course that's legal,
at least the dutch law says one cd can be used within one household. according to the dutch law it's even legal to make copies of a cd for use within the same household!
I have two computers, I can use my civ  tw on both computers! It's not that both my computers need to buy the game, I must buy the game.
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November 27, 2002, 14:29
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It is not legal in the US.
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November 27, 2002, 14:35
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vmxa: and apolython is in greece not USA.
Greece... the place where videogame are illegual...
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-956357.html
Edit= Unless they have have changed this law voted this summer
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November 27, 2002, 15:12
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Ah, but isn't Apolyton's mainframe/server located on U.S. soil? I believe it is.
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November 27, 2002, 16:46
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No, Canadian soil, right?
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November 27, 2002, 16:56
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Well I'm still skeptical. I mean the people that told us that there were no problems now tell us that all the problems are fixed, less than 24 hours after the latest patch was released. Some of the bugs that were surfacing were from a month of testing on 1.04. I think I'll wait a little longer before jumping to any conclusion at this point.
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November 27, 2002, 18:37
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Originally posted by cronos_qc
vmxa: and apolython is in greece not USA.
Greece... the place where videogame are illegual...
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-956357.html
Edit= Unless they have have changed this law voted this summer
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I am not sure where it is hosted, but I had thought it was not in the USA and I know about the Greek law, but I thought the reference was to using a CD on more than one PC. I do not know if that is legal anywhere, althought it was stated here that it is in at least one place. I would wonder about that as I seems to me that will make it very hard for companies to do business in that land. Since it is such a small market, they may not sweat it.
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November 27, 2002, 18:43
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First of all, that Greek law was retracted.
Second, the Ploy server is in N.America
Third, I would think that no matter what the nations law says, according to the PTW liscence it's one disc/computer. If the game was made in dutch land, then it would be one disc/household.
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November 27, 2002, 19:18
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Poly Server is in Texas, not the USA
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November 27, 2002, 19:20
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Originally posted by vmxa1
I am not sure where it is hosted, but I had thought it was not in the USA and I know about the Greek law, but I thought the reference was to using a CD on more than one PC. I do not know if that is legal anywhere, althought it was stated here that it is in at least one place. I would wonder about that as I seems to me that will make it very hard for companies to do business in that land. Since it is such a small market, they may not sweat it.
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November 27, 2002, 20:13
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Third, I would think that no matter what the nations law says, according to the PTW liscence it's one disc/computer. If the game was made in dutch land, then it would be one disc/household.
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Laws over-ride clauses in contracts. CyberShy is referring to any software sold in The Netherlands (to home users, I would think). Software published by a Dutch company and sold in the States or Canada would be subject to American and Canadian law over any language in an EULA.
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November 27, 2002, 22:58
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So, in that case, if say Sealand were to set a law that warezing is legal, then any sealander could legally warez? 
It just doesn't seem right to me.... 
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November 27, 2002, 23:57
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So, in that case, if say Sealand were to set a law that warezing is legal, then any sealander could legally warez?
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Yes. What recourse would the publishers have? Aside from the USMC?
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November 28, 2002, 00:00
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btw, that is essentially the situation in many markets where you can go down to the market and buy just about anything on burned CDs. The local laws and law enforcement agencies do not care, so the black market thrives.
It is so bad that some publishers (MS) are declining to launch (and thus support) any software in some vary large markets where piracy is 'legal'.
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November 28, 2002, 02:10
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Third, I would think that no matter what the nations law says, according to the PTW liscence it's one disc/computer.
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I think it's not that smart to license games that way, no matter if it's legal or not. How many households will there be where more than 1 cd will be bought? Will there be any?
If you make a rule that can't be enforced, don't make that rule.
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November 28, 2002, 02:45
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OTOH, where does a home end and a home based business begin?
Try the one CD per household rule in Canada or the US while operating a business, and find out just how short that leash is should you be noticed.
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November 28, 2002, 02:59
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Has Firaxis got you on some sort of retainer or something?
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November 28, 2002, 03:01
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No. Does Microsoft have you?
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