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Old February 3, 2003, 06:45   #271
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We can probably just rip him to shreads on the double standards of it all. I posted a 2nd FM poll in the same period, though only after the previous poll had, as far as I knew, been invalidated by the constitution change. And now he wants to do this?
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Old February 3, 2003, 06:46   #272
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I don't really care about getting a shredded Pan (that can wait till election time, if it's necessary), I just want FM come next turnchat.
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I strongly suspect that if Archaic had been elected and tried to pull something like this after a Green victory he would have been torn to pieces by the CCCP/STEP before the ink dried on the new poll.
You bet he would have been, and they'd have been right.
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Old February 3, 2003, 06:49   #274
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I don't really care about getting a shredded Pan (that can wait till election time, if it's necessary), I just want FM come next turnchat.
Well, a shredded Pan would be a bonus; but invalidating the new poll will prevent him from overturning the last one and produce a shredded Pan at the same time
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Old February 3, 2003, 06:52   #275
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Aye, I already moved that the results of the poll not apply till after the 8/2 turnchat. Invalidating it entirely would probably be better, so people could see FM in action before another poll is started. I'm not sure such a motion from me matters, but I can't imagine that he can just get away with this while we pound sand.
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Aye, I already moved that the results of the poll not apply till after the 8/2 turnchat. Invalidating it entirely would probably be better, so people could see FM in action before another poll is started. I'm not sure such a motion from me matters, but I can't imagine that he can just get away with this while we pound sand.
Well, given that we could probably gather up quite a bit of support for delaying the poll's effects at minimum, it probably would matter; and we can always start up an amendment to close the loophole if needed. I don't thinka whole lot of discussion would be needed.
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Old February 3, 2003, 07:00   #278
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*Points to Lemmy's post in the poll thread*

Perhaps some discussion will be needed afterall.
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Old February 3, 2003, 07:03   #279
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*nods* perhaps we're having a stronger reaction than most people will. I'd be happy with closing the loophole, and hoping FM wins this poll. If we get too aggressive/vicious it may reflect badly on us (perhaps rightly so, it's not as if the guy broke any written rules)... not that Archaic has to worry about that
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*Laughs* Indeed. One of the benifits of being an bastard. I've got no reputation to ruin in the first place. ^^;
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Not to be lecturing, but... I imagine it's occured to you that your "reputation" is part of the reason you lost this last election...?
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*Shrugs* Perhaps. Still, I'm not about to make myself out to be anyone than who I really am just in an attempt to win votes. I'm not going to suck up to the electorate.
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Old February 3, 2003, 07:31   #283
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I could go into the difference between the act self-examination & change for the purpose of "sucking up" and the act of self-examination and change for the purpose of improving oneself... but I won't, you're too entertaining this way
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*Shrugs* I like myself just the way I am. "Improving oneself" is really just a relative thing.
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Old February 3, 2003, 07:41   #285
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True. I had a more appropriate term in mind, but I doubt you care much about "love thy neighbor as you love thyself", or even "be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger".
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Well, Archaic *DID* win an election the term before last. I think the reason he lost this time was just that the CCCP had picked up a few more people, and maybe a few more were a bit ticked off after the events in his last term.
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*nods* I remember the discussion during the election. Looks like he'll have a better chance at getting his old seat back for the March term.
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Let's hope so. I'll have to write up a long speach in advance this time. This has given me a ready made campaign platform, and so has GT's absolute trashing of Pan in debate in the CCCP thread. It's really quite funny. They're getting almost formulaic.

Pan: Blah, blah, [well intentioned unrealistic whimpering], blah, [distortion of free market], blah.
GT: [Structured point by point rebuttal of Pan].
Pan: I know nothing about Economics and little about Politics, but I'm right and you're wrong!
GT: [Detailed description of why Pan is wrong].
Pan: I'm right and you're wrong damnit!
GT: [Detailed description of why Pan is wrong while poking fun at his lack of arguement].
Pan: You're an idiot. I'm right and you're wrong!
GT: [Gives up trying to penetrate the wall of ignorance].
Pan: Yay, I won! I'm right!
All FM supporters:
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*Chuckles*

Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's time to play Hardball with Pan. I'm going to litter my posts towards him with those images I posted before, among others, until no one can look at a Pan post without laughing their head off.
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You'll just be annoying everyone to hell with increasing loading time and it will have a reverse effect...
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Old February 4, 2003, 07:07   #292
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The pictures are small enough, and hosted on my own dedicated server running on a connection direct to the Internet Backbone. Maybe it might slow some load times initally, but once they're in cache, it'll be fine.
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it's time to play Hardball with Pan.
You mean you haven't been in the past? ... I mean, some of your posts are more civil than others, but the ones in discussion with Pan are typically extremely clear on your opinion of his argument and arguing abilities
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Nope, I haven't been. To see me play hardball, usually I'd have to be debating against someone like a Christian Fundamentalist YEC. In this situation however, I think Pan's willful ignorance has reached the same levels.
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To see me play hardball, usually I'd have to be debating against someone like a Christian Fundamentalist YEC.
I get what you mean... but are you sure you mean "debating"? From what I can tell it would be more like "verbally fighting" or "trying to kill each other with words", as I can almost 100% garuntee that neither of you would actually get anything out of the communication
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*Points to Pan's latest post in the CCCP thread*

He's a YEC! A Marxist YEC! Oh, this is indeed rich. *Cracks his knuckles* I haven't had this much fun since I rebutted a JW with his own literature. Tomorrow, I come out all guns blazing. Such wilful ignorance deserves no sympathy or mercy.

See, now under a Free Market, our education system wouldn't be so bad that it could churn out someone like Pan here with some big obvious flaws in understanding of economics, science and logic.
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I'm quite frankly astounded that he would even need to ask "How can someon enot be completely free but still freer." I thought he had at least some basic grasp of elemntary logic. Maybe this is why he's so agaisnt FM; he thinks that freedom come sunder Palnned, and hence anything else is tyranny.
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