Jedinica Vrijstaat

[lucky22]

"Viðv. 1) Treytað frádøming af koyrikorti fyri promillukoyring

Sambært § 59a í uppskotinum verður nú møguligt at fáa treytaða frádøming av koyrikortinum hjá persóni, ið er tikin fyri promillukoyring."

This quote is from a Danish article (I think Danish, anyway) which included the term "promillan"as well as the prefix "promill-" seen above. The term was being used in a statistical context, but I can't suss the precise meaning. You Euro guys are something else with your english- I'm more impressed the more I get my butt kicked by this stuff.

[Micha]

btw: Yesterday I saw a large group of Morganite tourists who took pictures of each other standing in front of the 35m high giant Xenobrew-advertisment...
That´s Morgan´s taste, I think...

[Maniac]

Are you sure that formula is correct, Lucky??? I did some testing.

To determine the total growth over a certain period:

My total formula:
[(Last Figure - First figure) / (First Figure)] * 100
For Sheathed Sword nutrients:
[(7-6)/6] * 100 = 16.67
Check: 6 + 6*0.166 = 7

Your total formula:
(1-[First Figure/Last Figure])*100
For Sheathed Sword nutrients:
[1-(6/7)] * 100 = 14.29
Check: 6 + 6*0.1429 = 6.86

Mine seems correct. To determine the average annual growth however, my formula doesn't work. I already tested yours, and unfortunately it doesn't seem to work either.

To determine the annual growth:

My annual formula:

[Last Figure - First figure) / (First Figure)] * 100 / # of years

For Sheathed Sword nutrients:
[(7-6)/6] * 100 / 4 = 4.1666...
Year 0: 6 nutrients
Year 1: 6 * 1.04167 = 6.25
Year 2: 6.25 * 1.04167 = 6.51
Year 3: 6.51 * 1.04167 = 6.78
Year 4: 6.78 * 1.04167 = 7.06

As expected, every year the difference between the expected and calculated number increases, making the formula completely inadequate for determining the average annual growth for longer periods of time.

Your annual formula:
((1-[First Figure/Last Figure])/[# of years])*100
(Did I put the extra brackets right?)

For Sheathed Sword nutrients:
[(1-[6/7])/4] * 100 = 3.57
Year 0: 6 nutrients
Year 1: 6 * 1.0357 = 6.21
Year 2: 6.21 * 1.0357 = 6.44
Year 3: 6.44 * 1.0357 = 6.67
Year 4: 6.67 * 1.0357 = 6.90

So here the end number is lower than the number we should get, around 7. Did I do anything wrong??

[Maniac]

"Promillian" is actually an adjective I invented myself. I don't know if it exists in English. In Dutch the substanstif "promille" is used. Anyway, for its meaning, it's very simple.

Pro centum (Latin) -> Pour cent (French) -> Percent(ual) (English)
Pro millia (Latin) -> Promille (Dutch/Fr.?) -> (my neologism) Promillian
Whereas "centum" means hundred and "millia" means thousand in Latin.
Though percentages are used most of the time, for things such as population, figures on thousand, especially when dealing with birth and starvation rates, are more frequent here.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Maniac
Are you sure that formula is correct, Lucky??? I did some testing.

To determine the total growth over a certain period:

My total formula:
[(Last Figure - First figure) / (First Figure)] * 100
For Sheathed Sword nutrients:
[(7-6)/6] * 100 = 16.67
Check: 6 + 6*0.166 = 7

Your total formula:
(1-[First Figure/Last Figure])*100
For Sheathed Sword nutrients:
[1-(6/7)] * 100 = 14.29
Check: 6 + 6*0.1429 = 6.86

Check: 6+7*0.1429=7.0003

Year 7 is the actual baseline for my formula. It is retrocative and not predictive, which leads us to...

To determine the annual growth:

My annual formula:

[Last Figure - First figure) / (First Figure)] * 100 / # of years

For Sheathed Sword nutrients:
[(7-6)/6] * 100 / 4 = 4.1666...
Year 0: 6 nutrients
Year 1: 6 * 1.04167 = 6.25
Year 2: 6.25 * 1.04167 = 6.51
Year 3: 6.51 * 1.04167 = 6.78
Year 4: 6.78 * 1.04167 = 7.06

Here's a major clue...

As expected, every year the difference between the expected and calculated number increases, making the formula completely inadequate for determining the average annual growth for longer periods of time.

The rate of growth isn't linear. We need an integral to estimate the actual number at a given year.

Your annual formula:
((1-[First Figure/Last Figure])/[# of years])*100
(Did I put the extra brackets right?)

For Sheathed Sword nutrients:
[(1-[6/7])/4] * 100 = 3.57
Year 0: 6 nutrients
Year 1: 6 * 1.0357 = 6.21
Year 2: 6.21 * 1.0357 = 6.44
Year 3: 6.44 * 1.0357 = 6.67
Year 4: 6.67 * 1.0357 = 6.90

So here the end number is lower than the number we should get, around 7. Did I do anything wrong??

In order to be "predictive" my formula needs to be recalculated using 6.21 rather than 6 at year 1 and so on. Could get tedious. If we have the formula for nutrient production handy (that would actually be a lot of work) we can do an integral setting X to be time and Y to be nutrients- if there isn't any neckbreaking trigonometry involved ( ) then we'll have a handy computing formula for any given year... that result will differ from the average annual growth by definition.

Pro millia (Latin) -> Promille (Dutch/Fr.?) -> (my neologism) Promillian

D'oh!! Thanks. We'd go with "per thousand". We (well, I, certainly) forget that "percent" comes from somewhere other than mom.

[Maniac]

Thanks for the explanation!

The rate of growth isn't linear. We need an integral to estimate the actual number at a given year.

Integrals! My my, and I thought it would be some simple formula to take the exponential (or whatver you have to call it) growth into account.
/me tries to remember the math of last year.

if there isn't any neckbreaking trigonometry involved

Oh my. I heard just today I have 20/20 on my statistics exam ( ), but I'm clearly far from an expert.

that result will differ from the average annual growth by definition.

What would it give then? I'm looking for some formula to be able to calculate what's the total percentual growth in food/mineral/energy production and population during my governorship (which can be done by my simple formula), and besides that being able to say what the annual percentual growth is up until now. I would put these figures under the "Population and economic overview" in my first post.

[moomin]

Originally posted by lucky22
"Viðv. 1) Treytað frádøming af koyrikorti fyri promillukoyring

Sambært § 59a í uppskotinum verður nú møguligt at fáa treytaða frádøming av koyrikortinum hjá persóni, ið er tikin fyri promillukoyring."

This quote is from a Danish article (I think Danish, anyway)

Actually, it's Icelandic. Way, way cooler.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Maniac
Thanks for the explanation!



Integrals! My my, and I thought it would be some simple formula to take the exponential (or whatver you have to call it) growth into account.
* Maniac tries to remember the math of last year.

If I wrote out rather than implied the the formula then it would be no big deal, probably. I am unable to write it out right now, so who's the doofus?

Oh my. I heard just today I have 20/20 on my statistics exam ( ), but I'm clearly far from an expert.

Right on... if you choose to spend time on it, you will of course master it.

What would it give then?

It would give the growth rate for that individual year. The growth actually occurs on a curve. The average for a single year implies a (falsely) linear relationship between time and quantity of nutrients.

I'm looking for some formula to be able to calculate what's the total percentual growth in food/mineral/energy production and population during my governorship (which can be done by my simple formula), and besides that being able to say what the annual percentual growth is up until now. I would put these figures under the "Population and economic overview" in my first post.

Either report the average annual rate, which isn't all that misleading, recalculate the formula for each year relative to the previous year, or else plot the growth curve and determine the rate of change at each year by finding the slope of the tangent line for the point representing that year on the graph. Reporting results on the second two will not be very compact and non-constant rates of change are kind of esoteric anyway.

My advice would be to report the average annual rate, and if it reflects positively on your governorship an average increase in the annual rate, based on the recalulation method.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by moomin


Actually, it's Icelandic. Way, way cooler.

...

[Method]

Micha: WTF? did someone relocate Xenobrew Inc.'s head office without my knowledge? geez, i have to pay more attention

maniac, i'm thinking of moving the Central Foreign Affairs Complex to somewhere remote and mysterious. Mt Centauri is a candidate, along with an platform in the middle of the FWC

[GeneralTacticus]

.... eh? Why would you want to move the Foreign Affairs Complex? It belongs to me, remember?

[Micha]

Originally posted by TKG
Micha: WTF? did someone relocate Xenobrew Inc.'s head office without my knowledge? geez, i have to pay more attention

Actually, it´s not the head office, it´s just the Pandemonium xenobrew building...

Hm, what do you think, shall I buy more of this street artist´s stuff??? Or shall I use the money to "test" the quality of xeno inc.´s alcoholic products?

[Method]

look, i meant INTERNAL affairs

[Pandemoniak]

Pro centum (Latin) -> Pour cent (French) -> Percent(ual) (English)
Pro millia (Latin) -> Promille (Dutch/Fr.?) -> (my neologism) Promillian

?!

No, in French, we say "pour mille", like we say "pour cent".

[Micha]

Originally posted by Pandemoniak
No, in French, we say "pour mille", like we say "pour cent".

And in German it is "Promille", like it is "Prozent". Are you quite sure it doesn´t exit in English, too?

[Comrade Chris]

back to the 'danish' article...
it wasn't danish or icelandic, you wrote in the almighty ancient Foreyjaske
speak more oh holy viking master

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Micha


And in German it is "Promille", like it is "Prozent". Are you quite sure it doesn´t exit in English, too?

Yes, sir, quite sure, within U.S. English. Occasionally the term "mil" is seen in older textbooks when "parts per thousand" are being discussed, with a mil being a part. Not at all a common usage though. Maybe language implying a continuity of proportions is too "metric" for us, causing loss of bladder control and communist tendencies.

[Kirov]

Is there one more place at your region? I've decided to settle somewhere...

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Maniac
Oh yes, I just added a new paragraph about Terminal Dogma's free trade zone. Is it ok Archaic?

Sorry it took so long to reply. You wouldn't believe the mess I've got here IRL. Worst time of year to try and concentrate on something I'm afraid. I hate to think how many days it's been since I've got on the forums.

Looks just fine.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Comrade Chris
back to the 'danish' article...
it wasn't danish or icelandic, you wrote in the almighty ancient Foreyjaske

don't have the url- did a 'google' search for 'promillan'...
so is Foreyjaske a "proto-norse"? Did I stumble accross an article in the equivalent of Celtic or Welsh?

[Comrade Chris]

Häämm i though it was dialect from old norse, its something like mixed danish and icelandic.. but its closest to the old viking language.. there only live like 40.000 people over there and the language was almost lost because these guys belong to danmark..
anyway i think this piece is from something like the laws, alcohol in traffic etc...

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Comrade Chris
Häämm i though it was dialect from old norse, its something like mixed danish and icelandic.. but its closest to the old viking language.. there only live like 40.000 people over there and the language was almost lost because these guys belong to danmark..
anyway i think this piece is from something like the laws, alcohol in traffic etc...

Thanks. Apparently there is a little cross-over with German too, maybe for technical terms? I realize this is sort of OT at this point.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Kirov
Is there one more place at your region? I've decided to settle somewhere...

But of course!!! Jedinica Vrijstaat is always open to new souls and opinions! What base would you desire to settle in? As you've probably noticed, there is a large first post describing the special character and sphere of each base.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by lucky22
I realize this is sort of OT at this point.

Nonsense! Everything that keeps the Jedinica Vrijstaat thread on the first page is ok to me!

[Comrade Chris]

yeah and above all, borrowing words and stuff is not very rare here in europe..
good, i'm doing advertisment for the freedom state of Jedinica and i'm spamming myself up to something more than settler..

[Maniac]

Way to go!

[Kirov]

Originally posted by Maniac


But of course!!! Jedinica Vrijstaat is always open to new souls and opinions! What base would you desire to settle in? As you've probably noticed, there is a large first post describing the special character and sphere of each base.

Thank you. I think I will settle in Concordia, seems to have very interestic geography... But first, can you show me the way to the next whisky bar?

[Drogue]

The Rec Commons is here. At the moment I don't think we have a Jedinica bar. Idea for the future maybe Maniac?

[Maniac]

Hmm yes, I've thought about the Rec Commons issue as well. It is supposed to be located near the New Apolyton government palace. And I am still supposed to be the bartender. But I live in Concordia...

Though I'd love for the Jedinican citizens to feel really like a citizen of their region (by some RP aspects and giving exclusive voting rights), I don't know if a seperate rec commons would be a good idea. That would seperate our faction a little too much I think. Perhaps a possible solution to maintain a possible RP reality, until we have discovered zero-time-transmission gates in some far future, would be that at every base, citizens can log into the Virtual World at their local network node, and then enter a virtual Rec Commons, which wouldn't be located in some fix base. What'd ye think?

[Drogue]

I like it Wow, we can have our own rec commons in our homes!! Now, who's the nanoscientist? We need personal Virtual World portals

I agree about the seperate commons too actually. We need to remain united, if only by beer