SENATE BILL: War with Germany

ManicStarSeed · December 10, 2002, 13:57

Poll Options
1. "Yea"
2. "Nay"
3. "Abstain"
Poll Duration: 3 days (72 hours)

This poll will last for 72 hours. It should end at ~ 6pm GMT on Friday, December 13, 2002.

As according to the Constitution:

Quorum is 14

"To pass, the proposed law must receive more “yea” votes than “nay” votes. It must also meet the quorum."
"Any “abstain” votes are considered solely for quorum purposes. “Abstain” votes may not be considered “yea” or “nay” votes."

The bill being voted upon:
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SENATE BILL: WAR WITH GERMANY

Purpose:
To authorize the President to declare war on Germany

Be it enacted by the Senate of the Apolytonian Republic here assembled,

That the Senate hereby gives authorization to the President to declare war on Germany. Although timing is at the discretion of the Cabinet, a timing of 5 turns from the current turndate is recommended, as previously planned.

Aggie · December 10, 2002, 14:21

As president I heartily endorse this bill. Germany is our only major competitor sciencewise. With them reduced or eliminated we can research and quickly rush ahead of the AI. One last thing, otto shoots a kitten evrytime he wins a tech race or gets a wonder. Think of the kittens.
Aggie

GodKing · December 10, 2002, 14:50

Abstain

I was here.
I saw this
I don't think it matters.

Thud · December 10, 2002, 15:02

I also approve of this bill. We're ready for a war, and we need this war.

GePap · December 10, 2002, 15:54

Howdy all!

It's been a long time:

A questions:
1)have the rules for voting changed since the new constituion? (ie, as a citizen who has not posted in about a month, can I vote?)

also: any good annalysis threads on the issue somewhere?

Arnelos · December 10, 2002, 16:37

GePap,

You can vote. No-one is able to take that away from you unless you get banned from 'poly by Ming or something.

Aro · December 10, 2002, 16:54

I voted 'yea".
Hi, GePap! Glad to see you!

CiverDan · December 10, 2002, 17:46

Yes..we need this war to secure the lead and prevent a future panzer blitz against us.

Duddha · December 10, 2002, 21:54

War is always a good thing.

Jonny · December 11, 2002, 00:34

I said no.

We do not need this war. A war against Germany will not benefit us in the least. We are wasting resources on an unneeded war. Those shields and gold we are speding could be used better in other places, such as infrastructure improvement, giving our cities some defensive units, or securing the industrial era wonders.

Besides, Germany is no longer a major threat. They are rather small and surrounded on all sides by enemies. According to the histograph, they are currently ranked 8th in score. England is now more powerful than them. We needn't waste our time and resources on such small threats.

Vote NO to this war!

Aro · December 11, 2002, 01:35

Well, when the Panzers come out...

ManicStarSeed · December 11, 2002, 02:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Jonny
I said no.

We do not need this war. A war against Germany will not benefit us in the least. ....

Besides, Germany is no longer a major threat. ....

Vote NO to this war!

Ahhh I hear the chirping of DIA songbirds sining the songs of peace....

Actually we will benifit greatly. Once we rid ouselves of Germany, we will be the undisputed tech leader of the world. We will rake in thousands of gold...err lytons in tech deals. We will be able to monopolize the wonder scene. This war will only strengthen us

Also we do not want a neighbor with panzers. Germany must be crushed before they aquire mobilized transport.

Think of this possibility,
There will be diplomatic benifits as well. The alliances we forge now will benifit us later when our allies declare us the diplomatic victors when we build the UN and call the vote. Wont that be a kick...

Mss

Jonny · December 11, 2002, 19:01

The panzers wouldn't be so much of a threat if we improved our cities' defenses. They wouldn't be able to march through our empty cities if we put military forces in them.

Currently, we have 20 cities that have riflemen as their best defensive unit. We have 4 cities that have musketmen as their best defensive unit. We have 5 cities that have pre-gunpowder units as their best defensive units. And, we have 18 cities totally undefended. Three of those undefended cities are border cities.

We can improve these numbers, and I think that would be a much better use for our resources.

I also believe that a declaration of war on Germany will turn many civilizations against us. I believe that it will be hard to form an alliance against Germany, as pretty much every civilization is annoyed or furious at us, and every civilization but us has a right of passage agreement with Germany.

roadcage · December 11, 2002, 23:08

Quote:

I also believe that a declaration of war on Germany will turn many civilizations against us. I believe that it will be hard to form an alliance against Germany, as pretty much every civilization is annoyed or furious at us, and every civilization but us has a right of passage agreement with Germany.

Germany has been bleeding every civ at the tech window for thousands of years. I expect most would rejoice an excuse to break their lpt deals with Otto.

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

ManicStarSeed · December 12, 2002, 00:23

Quote:

Originally posted by Jonny
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I also believe that a declaration of war on Germany will turn many civilizations against us. I believe that it will be hard to form an alliance against Germany, as pretty much every civilization is annoyed or furious at us, and every civilization but us has a right of passage agreement with Germany.

Not once we cajole them into allying with us...

Mss

Apocalypse · December 12, 2002, 01:09

/me remembers back to the day when we did fairly well against Germany in our first war with them

Panag · December 12, 2002, 07:06

hi ,

only if the senate agrees , ...

have a nice day

GhengisFarb™ · December 12, 2002, 11:56

Quote:

Originally posted by Apocalypse
* Apocalypse remembers back to the day when we did fairly well against Germany in our first war with them

War, we puffed ourselves up and they ran for the hills. I wouldn't call that much of a battle.

It took a while but maybe we will finally take Hamburg.........

lmtoops · December 13, 2002, 00:36

Maybe we don't need Germany, maybe we would be better off with peace, maybe improving our defenses is smarter.......

BUT I don't care...I want war!!!!

It much more fun!

Panag · December 13, 2002, 02:25

hi ,

we need an army before we go to war , ........

the defense industry went out of buzzinezz a long time ago , because of a lack of orders , ........

and what about the navy , .......

have a nice day

Arnelos · December 13, 2002, 14:59

*bump*

This bill has PASSED