Legionaries

SK138 · December 11, 2002, 17:16

I was reading the description for the Roman Legionaries in the civilopedia and it says that they are "Nearly unstoppable on the attack, the legion was relatively weak on defense." If thats true, why do they get an extra defense point and not an extra attack point or something? Anyone have any good ideas for making this unit more realistic?

ChaotikVisions · December 11, 2002, 18:02

Given that there isn't a good way to represent all the fortifications Rome loved to build, i'd say its alright. Just picture them as tossing up walls wherever they stop.

shamus62 · December 11, 2002, 18:30

This probably doesn't even really relate to your question much, but I think I remember reading somewhere that each roman soldier carried a sharped pole or something similar and at the end of the day they used them to stick in the ground and help fortify their position.... mayby just strongpoints or something. Don't know if thats bunk or not, but your question jarred that.

Kingof the Apes · December 11, 2002, 22:15

Another reason is that they didn't want to duplicate UUs. Having the legionaries and Immortals ADM switched would make sense, as the Immortals were bodygaurds and Legionaries made a huge empire.

Jaybe · December 11, 2002, 23:05

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Originally posted by ChaotikVisions
Given that there isn't a good way to represent all the fortifications Rome loved to build, i'd say its alright. Just picture them as tossing up walls wherever they stop.

In the early days of Civ3, I had Legions also capable of some Worker duties: Build Roads and Fortifications.

T'was a passing fancy. Dropped it after a couple months.

MagnusMarcus · December 12, 2002, 13:13

Roman Legions were notorious for setting up camp in the exact same way everywhere they marched. Before they could rest after a full days march they literally built a compund with gates and walls from wooden pikes. This provided for an excellent defence when there camps came upon attack.

SUDES Latin for stake or pike. The primary of two latin terms for a palisades stake, used as a perimeter defense of an encampment. Also termed a VALLES, it was a wooden stake 4 to 5 feet long, tapered to points at both ends with a cut out center hand grip. Also used to create a palisade or picket defense in front of a position prior to an enemy’s expected charge or attack.

SK138 · December 12, 2002, 19:39

If all this is true, which I think it is because I have heard stuff about it too, then why does the civilopedia say they were weak defenders?

shamus62 · December 12, 2002, 20:17

Maybe IG really REALLY believes in the "best defense is a good offense" maxim?

Ghengis-Sean · December 12, 2002, 20:20

Probably because the Civlopedia was written by someone who really didn't know what they were talking about.

Kingof the Apes · December 13, 2002, 19:13

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Originally posted by Ghengis-Sean
Probably because the Civlopedia was written by someone who really didn't know what they were talking about.

more evidence is the Ottoman civ traits

Zero · December 14, 2002, 00:21

WHatever the civlopedia says... the point is, the Roman UU is one of the best UU in game.

Kingof the Apes · December 14, 2002, 02:05

Agreed. Escorts? who needs escorts?

notyoueither · December 14, 2002, 03:23

Hmmm.

Did anyone bother to check what the Civilopedia says?

As of 1.14: 'The Roman Legionary is a highly-skilled swordsman good in both offense and defense.'

Sounds about right for what they do...

Franses · December 14, 2002, 04:40

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Originally posted by SK138
I was reading the description for the Roman Legionaries in the civilopedia and it says that they are "Nearly unstoppable on the attack, the legion was relatively weak on defense." If thats true, why do they get an extra defense point and not an extra attack point or something? Anyone have any good ideas for making this unit more realistic?

Having read the above an idea might be to provide them the ability to make fortresses.

SK138 · December 14, 2002, 12:21

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Originally posted by notyoueither
Hmmm.

Did anyone bother to check what the Civilopedia says?

As of 1.14: 'The Roman Legionary is a highly-skilled swordsman good in both offense and defense.'

Sounds about right for what they do...

I've read that too, but when you read the description the game gives for the unit, it says that they are relatively weak on defense.

Panag · December 14, 2002, 16:42

hi ,

actually those legions had a great defense , when they dug in for the night , ......

or the famous porky pine defensive formation , ......

a trained group of legionaires could withstand attacks from substancially larger groups , .......

have a nice day

notyoueither · December 14, 2002, 17:48

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Originally posted by SK138

I've read that too, but when you read the description the game gives for the unit, it says that they are relatively weak on defense.

Where exactly did you find the 'weak on defense' description?

SK138 · December 14, 2002, 18:17

Go to the civilopedia, then go to legionary. It gives you information about the units stats and stuff but there is also a button that says description. I think its on the right of the civilopedia screen. When you click that you'll find were it says their defense was weak.

Panag · December 14, 2002, 19:11

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Originally posted by notyoueither

Where exactly did you find the 'weak on defense' description?

hi ,

uh-oh , now we did it , we woken the legion

have a nice day