Taliban Warlords Oppress Afghan Women

boann · December 17, 2002, 14:55

Report: Post-Taliban Warlords Oppress Afghan Women
Tue Dec 17, 6:51 AM ET

By Evelyn Leopold

Many Afghan women are still subject to the same abuse as under the ousted Taliban and in some regions, such as the west of the country, face increasing harassment, a human rights group said on Tuesday.

Many people outside the country believe that Afghan women and girls have had their rights restored," when the Taliban was removed from power a year ago, said Zama Coursen-Neff, co-author of the report, "We Want to Live as Humans."

Khan, the governor of Herat, who has received considerable U.S. financial and military assistance, was named as the most flagrant abuser, inventing a series of draconian measures.

Among them is a religious police and a "youth police" to haul women and girls to hospitals for gynecological examinations for the purpose of "chastity checks."

what century is it ?

and of course the US is giving aid to this Khan.
I'm so fed up with the flapping of government lips
and the nothing that comes out.

Giancarlo · December 17, 2002, 14:57

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and of course the US is giving aid to this Khan.

Err. Wrong. The US is helping the transitional central government to build up a military of 70,000 to go after warlords. It all takes time. But of course to take out these warlords you wanna go all in force with 200,000 troops or something? Heh... ask the Russians how that turns out.

Kropotkin · December 17, 2002, 14:58

Your thread title kind of messed it all up imnsho. obviously one shouldn't be suprised about this (I'm talking about the article now...).

Bereta_Eder · December 17, 2002, 15:02

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Originally posted by boann

Among them is a religious police and a "youth police" to haul women and girls to hospitals for gynecological examinations for the purpose of "chastity checks."

This unfortunately happens to your ally Turkey too. Now.

boann · December 17, 2002, 15:04

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Originally posted by Fez

Err. Wrong. The US is helping the transitional central government to build up a military of 70,000 to go after warlords. It all takes time. But of course to take out these warlords you wanna go all in force with 200,000 troops or something? Heh... ask the Russians how that turns out.

ERRRR wrong....EERRRR i don't think so...
this is a direct quote from the article.

"Khan, the governor of Herat, who has received considerable U.S. financial and military assistance, was named as the most flagrant abuser, inventing a series of draconian measures. "

DinoDoc · December 17, 2002, 15:04

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Originally posted by paiktis22
This unfortunately happens to your ally Turkey too. Now.

Spare us Greek propaganda.

Bereta_Eder · December 17, 2002, 15:06

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Spare us Greek propaganda.

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In a report released today, the Human Rights Watch Women's Rights
Project charges the Turkish government with the forcible
imposition of virginity control examinations on women in police
custody. The report, "A Matter of Power: State Control of Women's
Virginity in Turkey," finds that police force female political
detainees and common criminal suspects to undergo gynecological
examinations for the purpose of determining the status of theirhymens.

http://www.library.cornell.edu/colld...st/turkvir.htm

Saint Marcus · December 17, 2002, 15:08

I told you a year ago that Khan was bad news. Why does nobody listen to me?

DinoDoc · December 17, 2002, 15:11

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Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Why does nobody listen to me?

Why buck a trend?

Saint Marcus · December 17, 2002, 15:15

I was right though, wasn't I. If Bush had listened to me, this would never have happened!

Bereta_Eder · December 17, 2002, 15:17

Bush doesn't care about that.

Giancarlo · December 17, 2002, 15:32

Wow, never seen so much leftist propaganda go around before.

Arrian · December 17, 2002, 15:34

Unsurprising, really. I wish I could say I was shocked, but I'm not. Taleban or no Taleban, the Afghans have some very different views on women's role in society than we do. I think their view is stupid, but what do we do? Make aid conditional on them accepting women's lib? We would be accused of messing with their culture: Imperialist America ramming its view down other people's throats again.

So, while I'm appalled at how they choose to treat their women, I'm not sure we can do much about it without sacrificing the overall mission in Afghanistan (to stabilize it somehow and prevent it from becoming a haven for terrorists again).

-Arrian

Shi Huangdi · December 17, 2002, 15:38

We fund this guy and we should continue funding this guy because no matter how rotten he may be, he is not pro Al Qaeda. Our main interest in Afghanistan is making sure terrorists can't use it as a base.

Saint Marcus · December 17, 2002, 15:44

Fez: so you deny it happends? do you deny this is going on? do you deny the west doesn't do anything?

Jac de Molay · December 17, 2002, 15:48

He's talking out of his ass as usual. The provisional govt barely has power outside of Kabul, so none of this should be a surprise.

Afghanistan was never a country to begin with. It;ll take at least 10 years to establish some semblance of civilization

Edan · December 17, 2002, 15:58

It's a shame, but Afghanistan has to be stabalized before things like human rights can be introduced into the areas currently under the control of the warlords. Hopefully, things will slowly get better, but no one should be expecting overight miracles.

Kropotkin · December 17, 2002, 16:09

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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
We fund this guy and we should continue funding this guy because no matter how rotten he may be, he is not pro Al Qaeda. Our main interest in Afghanistan is making sure terrorists can't use it as a base.

Yes, this a policy that have really worked before! It's not at all so that half of those rotten men and groups that have been supported in the past has turned out to be future enemies.

SlowwHand · December 17, 2002, 16:16

Arm the women. Nothing like hoardes of pissed off and armed women, that have been viciously oppressed.

DinoDoc · December 17, 2002, 16:19

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Originally posted by Kropotkin

Yes, this a policy that have really worked before! It's not at all so that half of those rotten men and groups that have been supported in the past has turned out to be future enemies.

Granted. We really should have left Germany in control of France in light of the consequences of its liberation.

Andrew1999 · December 17, 2002, 16:30

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Granted. We really should have left Germany in control of France in light of the consequences of its liberation.

No, but we shouldn't have put Hindenberg back in charge of Germany either.

DinoDoc · December 17, 2002, 16:34

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Originally posted by Andrew1999
No, but we shouldn't have put Hindenberg back in charge of Germany either.

How did that lead to Schroeder's tanking of the German economy today?

Giancarlo · December 17, 2002, 16:52

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Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Fez: so you deny it happends? do you deny this is going on? do you deny the west doesn't do anything?

Do you know that the Soviet influenced regime before the 1979 war tried to force changes... what happened to it? It went under as civil war broke out, then the Soviets got involved.

You cannot change things like that over night, leftist, you have to do things gradually. Personally, I think Khan should be taken out. However, the practices of Afghan society is not going to change in one day, month, year or even decade. But efforts must be made nonetheless. Now get over it.

A Afghan united military, which is professional and well-equipped can go after those warlords. And believe me they will. 70,000 is the current number proposed, although I think it will go to more like 120,000.

Also I am sick of your one liners.

SlowwHand · December 17, 2002, 17:00

Better than a one-holer.

Giancarlo · December 17, 2002, 17:04

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Originally posted by SlowwHand
Better than a one-holer.

What the hell are you talking about?

Bereta_Eder · December 17, 2002, 17:22

Some more info about Turkey since I just posted the first of many links that showed up on my screen.

State Control of Women's Virginity in Turkey

If you want more information

HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH WOMEN'S RIGHTS PROJECT
485 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10017-6104
Tel: (212) 972-8400 Fax: (212) 972-0905
E-mail: hrwatchnyc@igc.apc.org 1522 K Street, N.W., #910
Washington, D.C. 20005-1202
Tel: (202) 371-6592 Fax: (202) 371-0124
E-mail: hrwatchdc@igc.apc.org

Saint Marcus · December 17, 2002, 18:03

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You cannot change things like that over night, leftist, you have to do things gradually.

Isn't that what leftwingers are proposing for Iraq?

Giancarlo · December 17, 2002, 19:55

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Originally posted by Saint Marcus

Isn't that what leftwingers are proposing for Iraq?

That is a false connection. What do womens right have to do with invading Iraq? Do everybody a favor, stop with the dumb *** connections and stop taking the pills.

boann · December 17, 2002, 20:58

i can't think of a better reason to invade Iraq than starving children and human rights.
we sit over here flapping our gums while
children starve because of some political bullshit
and women are treated like a piece of furniture by men
who plot to kill and drag down our own country because
what they know is only whats taught to them since most of them don't have any real idea what or who we are in reality.

Giancarlo · December 17, 2002, 21:06

That is such a load of crap.