Gits' Hut and Special Finder v1.3 - Page 3

DrSpike · January 16, 2003, 10:22

Oedo years would be good. I don't have king and emperor handy but they were in the GL thread about oedo years if it is still in existence.

rah · January 16, 2003, 10:32

The thread is still there, but only the deity years were on the first page. King and emperor were in later pages. Unfortunately the link, in the GL, takes you to the first page but I was unable to access any later pages. If anyone can, please let me know how to confirm my stupidity.

RAH

DrSpike · January 16, 2003, 10:45

I'm assuming you tried clicking on the page numbers.

rah · January 16, 2003, 10:53

Yes, and it went to the standard "The page cannot be found" display. But it's never a bad idea if someone else tries it, in case there are browser issues.

Cyrion · January 16, 2003, 10:57

And Prince would be useful too, as it is the Level that is mostly used in PBEMs...

Edit: I'm sooo stupid, OEDO would be mostly useless for PBEM are they focus on scenarii (and so different timelines...)

DrSpike · January 16, 2003, 10:58

Quote:

Originally posted by rah

Yes, and it went to the standard "The page cannot be found" display. But it's never a bad idea if someone else tries it, in case there are browser issues.

Ok I tried it with both Opera and IE. Same result.

DrSpike · January 16, 2003, 10:58

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyrion
And Prince would be useful too, as it is the Level that is mostly used in PBEMs...

Really? I have never seen a MP game at prince level. Even the zoners have the decency to play king.

Cyrion · January 16, 2003, 11:10

Quote:

Originally posted by DrSpike
Really? I have never seen a MP game at prince level. Even the zoners have the decency to play king.

Yep, nothing to do with skill level!

But as the AI gain combat advantages in King/Emperor/Deity, and as when you play your turn in a pbem your opponents are handled by the AI, the game would then be really tilted towards defensive strategies...

Not sure I was able to make myself understandable, bloody english language...

ColdWizard · January 16, 2003, 11:17

Quote:

Originally posted by rah

Yes, and it went to the standard "The page cannot be found" display. But it's never a bad idea if someone else tries it, in case there are browser issues.

same problem when i tried. i used to have the king and emperor lists on my old comp but didn't transfer them to this one.

SlowThinker · January 16, 2003, 11:58

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyrion
From the MP forum:
Yes it would be helpful! And even more if you included ALL the OEDO tables and not only deity...

It is included in my program that shows the number of beakers cumulated. It is was posted about three months ago.

SG, I am not on my computer now, but I can post you the ofset for the turn number: the oedo year depends directly on the turn number.

Cyrion · January 16, 2003, 12:03

ST: and how is it in your program (yeah, I know, I should have used it...

): as charts or showing whether it's an OEDO year??

The latest would be even more useful for me, as it's independent from the timescale (and so level or scenario) chosen!

DaveV · January 16, 2003, 12:07

I believe these tables are correct:

Code:

Deity Years When it works.
-3850 * -925 *  460 * 1580 * 1836 * 1903 * 1963
-3650 * -825 *  540 * 1620 * 1844 * 1907 * 1967
-3450 * -725 *  620 * 1660 * 1851 * 1911 * 1971
-3250 * -625 *  700 * 1700 * 1855 * 1915 * 1975
-3050 * -525 *  780 * 1740 * 1859 * 1919 * 1979
-2850 * -425 *  860 * 1756 * 1863 * 1923 * 1983
-2650 * -325 *  940 * 1764 * 1867 * 1927 * 1987
-2450 * -225 * 1020 * 1772 * 1871 * 1931 * 1991
-2250 * -125 * 1100 * 1780 * 1875 * 1935 * 1995
-2050 *  -25 * 1180 * 1788 * 1879 * 1939 * 1999
-1850 *   60 * 1260 * 1796 * 1883 * 1943 * 2003
-1650 *  140 * 1340 * 1804 * 1887 * 1947 * 2007
-1450 *  220 * 1420 * 1812 * 1891 * 1951 * 2011
-1250 *  300 * 1500 * 1820 * 1895 * 1955 * 2015
-1050 *  380 * 1540 * 1828 * 1899 * 1959 * 2019


King/Emperor Years When it works.
-3850 * -925 *  460 * 1330 * 1715 * 1853 * 1913 * 1973
-3650 * -825 *  540 * 1370 * 1735 * 1857 * 1917 * 1977
-3450 * -725 *  620 * 1410 * 1752 * 1861 * 1921 * 1981
-3250 * -625 *  700 * 1450 * 1760 * 1865 * 1925 * 1985
-3050 * -525 *  780 * 1490 * 1768 * 1869 * 1929 * 1989
-2850 * -425 *  860 * 1515 * 1776 * 1873 * 1933 * 1993
-2650 * -325 *  940 * 1535 * 1784 * 1877 * 1937 * 1997
-2450 * -225 * 1010 * 1555 * 1792 * 1881 * 1941 * 2001
-2250 * -125 * 1050 * 1575 * 1800 * 1885 * 1945 * 2005
-2050 *  -25 * 1090 * 1595 * 1808 * 1889 * 1949 * 2009
-1850 *   60 * 1130 * 1615 * 1816 * 1893 * 1953 * 2013
-1650 *  140 * 1170 * 1635 * 1824 * 1897 * 1957 * 2017
-1450 *  220 * 1210 * 1655 * 1832 * 1901 * 1961 * 2021
-1250 *  300 * 1250 * 1675 * 1840 * 1905 * 1965
-1050 *  380 * 1290 * 1695 * 1848 * 1909 * 1969

Scouse Gits · January 16, 2003, 13:04

Thanks again, guys ...
I didn't make myself clear - as the program would calculate the oedo years, what I need are the year breaks for non-deity levels ie
Deity
until 1000BC in 50 years
until 1AD in 25 years
until 1500AD in 20 years
until 1750AD in 10 years
until 1850Ad in 2 years
and every year thereafter

I suspect the answer is RTFM, but I expect more kindness from this forum

SG[1]

DaveV · January 16, 2003, 14:04

Try this on for size (years/turn):

Code:

     Chieftan                 Emperor
     Warlord   Prince  King    Deity
50               60     60      60
25               40     40      40
20     250              50      75
10      50      150     50      25
5       50       50     50
2       50       50     50      50
1      150      150    150     150

Edited countless times for formatting.
... and twice for content!

DrSpike · January 16, 2003, 14:40

A concise exposition......nice one Dave.

Scouse Gits · January 16, 2003, 15:10

Thanks DaveV

- are you sure that Emperor & Deity have the same turn pattern - I thought it was Emperor & King?

SG[1]

DaveV · January 16, 2003, 16:55

I said "of course" at first, and changed it, but on further reflection I'm not so certain. My printout has terrible columnar alignment, but it looks as though Emperor and Deity are in the same column. Does anyone know for sure?

War4ever · January 16, 2003, 17:17

well i got here late so i am not going to click the link, i still have my old table hand written for oedo deity years, and like the rest of you, the BC years are easy to remember.... its the AD years that leave me using my abacuss after some wobbly pops

it makes no dif to me if you include it in the hut finder, i use the hut finder for specials and huts, not revolution turns .....but having the tables will be a nice addition.

SlowThinker · January 17, 2003, 14:01

Cyrion,
My little program (Civ2beakers) is not completely finished and so I didn't announce it. Anyway it is usable. It reads a .sav file and shows also current year, current turn number and turn number of the next oedo.
(Xin Yu is able to read directly from the memory so that you needn't to save files, but I don't know if his LazyCiv program shows oedo years...)
You can download it from Civ2-Strategy > Calculating beakers needed for the next advance

@SG:
In a .sav file (or in a memory) the current turn is located at ofset 28 as the word type. Every 4th turn is oedo.
A copy of Pascal/Delphi code of Civ2beakers:

Code:

SavedFileStream.Seek(28,soFromBeginning);
SavedFileStream.Read(CurrentTurn,2);
SavedFileStream.Seek(30,soFromBeginning);
SavedFileStream.Read(CurrentYear,2);

if CurrentYear>=$8000 then {B.C. year} CurrentYear:=CurrentYear-$10000;
NextOedoTurn:=(CurrentTurn+3) div 4 * 4;

Cyrion · January 20, 2003, 03:56

Thanks ST !

Bloody Monk · January 21, 2003, 23:57

SG[1],

You have addressed how it happened.

If you do yet another version, I hope you put the minimize bar back as I find the earlier version easier to use with your tool riding on the task bar. Just my vote; others may perfer otherwise.

Thanks for sharing this very cool utility.

Monk

Scouse Gits · January 23, 2003, 10:01

More help needed!

I am now coding (or rather trying to) the oedo years - the Deity table DaveV has proffered does NOT agree with the turn table he has published - so I am once more at sea.

I have RTFM - to no avail - the 'Strategy Guide' has not been available in the UK for years

Can anyone give a definitive breakdown for the various difficulty levels

The following years seem to be magic at some levels ...
-1000; 0 (OK 1 AD - but it computes as 0), 1500, 1750, 1850 - but there may be more...

Help definitely needed ..................................

SG[1]

DaveV · January 23, 2003, 10:42

SG[1] - there was a significant typo in the table as orginally posted. The number of years at 25 years/turn is 40, not 50! Apologies for the error, and I hope this straightens out the discrepancy.

As a check, the sum of the columns should be, left to right, 550, 500, 450, 400.

SlowThinker · January 23, 2003, 15:53

SG, I don't understand what is the problem. Do you build oedo tables or do you construct next oedo turn from the information about the current turn in a .sav file (or memory)?
If the second eventuality is true then see my post here dated 17-01-2003 18:01.

Scouse Gits · January 23, 2003, 16:05

ST unfortunately it is the former case that I am considering...

Thanks anyway, SG[1]

Scouse Gits · January 24, 2003, 08:02

OK - I just hit Enter a zillion times in a Deity 2.42 game and came up with the definitive answer

-4000

60 turns of 50 years to

-1000

40 turns of 25 years to

0 - displayed as 1AD

75 turns of 20 years to

1500

25 turns of 10 years to

1750

50 turns of 2 years to

1850

170 (not 150) turns of 1 year to

2020

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The Winkler scrolls give Emperor and Deity the same turn pattern - but that has been in error before.

Anyone got definitive answers for the other levels?

SG[1]

Scouse Gits · January 27, 2003, 07:01

Come on guys - you want the oedo table to be correct for other levels than Deity - get hitting that enter button

SG[1]

rah · January 27, 2003, 11:06

Well since I never play less than Deity

War4ever · January 27, 2003, 20:35

hehe, lol fat chance, perhaps you should just do it for Mr. Happy sunshine sean.....seeing as he only plays king level

Scouse Gits · January 28, 2003, 07:16

in fact ROTFLMAO - of course I will, if he were to ask me nicely.

SG[1]