For the region of Apolyton in nationstates.net

aahz_capone · December 26, 2002, 01:09

As has been mention in the region of Apolyton in nationstates.net we can discuss regional politics here. For example who will be our UN delegate?

Ofcourse we first have to know each other. I know of me, aahz_capone, dissident and jdd2007. Who else is here?

If y'all think we should move this thread to the Other Game forum, I'm OK with that too.

Nubclear · December 26, 2002, 01:19

I am Glorious Comrade President Tassadar representing and leading the people of the Peoples Republic of the Sovietskii Soyuz.

---The following was sent to all nations of Apolyton---

FROM: THE HEAD OF STATE OF THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF THE SOVIETSKII SOYUZ
TO: ALL THE NATIONS OF THE GREAT LAND OF APOLYTON
SUBJECT: UNITED NATIONS DELEGATIONAL ELECTIONS PROPOSITION AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF POSSIBLE CANDIDACY

BODY:

Dear Nations of Apolyton:

Ever since the great colonization of the Apolytonian Archipelago we have been isolated from the rest of the world and although our nations are relatively young we must make contact with the outside world and become integrated with global politics and affairs.
Currently the United Nations has a model set up in which a nation from each region is chosen to represent the bulk of the region when voting and as such will recieve more votes than the rest of the nations in the region. This must be done if we are to enter the outside world however it will be very difficult to elect such a country due to politics and national-ego.
Therefore, I propose the following model: Each nation that wishes to participate will step forth within the next day or two and announce candidacy. Nations that do not wish to participate will then vote on two candidates to stand up for the General Elections. This step is, of course, skipped if there are only two nations willing to participate. Then all nations with the exception of the states up for candidacy will vote on whom they want. All voting nations, however, will be required to have a membership with the United Nations. Then the nation that wins the General Elections will become our delegate to the United Nations. Voting will be in non-official form where simply the names are submitted and counted and the winning nation will then recieve the official endorsements of all nations. I also propose strict rules on 'campaigining' as to prevent the degeneration of the dignity of sovergn nations within Apolyton.
Moving on, I believe that my own nation of the Sovietskii Soyuz stands up to become the delegation to the United Nations. However pending approval and/or modification of my outlined plan I will not beginning campaigning just yet in order to begin structuring out great alliance that we all have formed out of peace and brotherhood. That is all, and thank you.

Tassadar
Peoples Republic of the Sovietskii Soyuz
Head of State

Drogue · December 26, 2002, 01:31

That sounds good, but nationstates already has a system fior that. Any UN country may endorce any other UN country in that region, and the one with the most endorsements becomes the UN delegate.

I formally put my name forward for UN delegate, in the name of Apolyton and the people of the Commonwealth of Akiria, and stand for freedom, social welfare but with a strong economy, compassion, civil rights, ecological issues and most importantly, peace.

However, you do not have to put your name forward to be endorsed. And the Delegate is not the only person who votes in the UN, however they do get an extra voted for each endorsement they receive. I think that's how it works anyway

I think we should move this to either our region page or to the forums on nationstate, because other non-'Poly people can join our region, and it is fairer for them.

Sheik · December 26, 2002, 01:35

I am in. My nation is Sheikaton:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/...tion=sheikaton

Nubclear · December 26, 2002, 01:37

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Originally posted by Drogue
That sounds good, but nationstates already has a system fior that. Any UN country may endorce any other UN country in that region, and the one with the most endorsements becomes the UN delegate.

Yes, however the system I proposed is much more organized. We have our elections here and simply endorse the winner of those elections. Although that is rather un-nesisary..I still think we should have the pre-qualification phase and make sure everyone votes for the candidates.

And you are correct that the delegate is not the only person in the region who gets to vote, however I believe they get 7 (We have eight people) additional votes so it would take a unanimous decision by the rest of the members to block the delegate. I promise to uphold socialism, civil liberties, political freedoms, and vote for the common good of the collective. However I also promise to uphold moral standards because a country with no morality is not a country, but simply a rouge nation-state and an alliance of such ways is not an alliance at all.

Nubclear · December 26, 2002, 01:38

Also, I believe we should post whatever we are to post on our regional page AND here so that in the case the regional page is, for whatever reason, acting slowly as it has been doing we can still communicate.

Also Sheik: WELCOME!

Drogue · December 26, 2002, 01:39

I disagree, I think that means the delegate gets much more power than the people he endorces. Akiria will not endorse a candidate they do not agree with, and I would not expect any other nation to do so. That is forced voting, and as you said, it would take a unanimous decision to block the one delegate. Moreover, some people will not want to endorse anyone.

Jon Shafer · December 26, 2002, 01:40

I'm playing a different but similar game called SimCountry.

Nubclear · December 26, 2002, 01:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Drogue
I disagree,

I'm sorry I don't believe I know what exactly you are referring too...Therefore I cannot respond to your post.

Please clarify.

In other news

Oh no.....tripgot.......

Drogue · December 26, 2002, 01:41

I agree with double posting, but I think it would be better on [irl=http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=1]NationStates Forum[/url] rather than 'Poly, for the benefit of the non-'Poly members of the region.

aahz_capone · December 26, 2002, 01:42

---In responce to Glorious Comrade President Tassadar's letter to the nations of Apolyton---

FROM: THE SOVEREIGN OF THE FEDERATION OF IMPERIAL REPUBLICS
TO: ALL THE NATIONS OF THE GREAT LAND OF APOLYTON
SUBJECT: UNITED NATIONS DELEGATIONAL ELECTIONS PROPOSITION AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF POSSIBLE CANDIDACY

BODY:

My fellow Heads of State,

G.C.P. Tassadar's election model is a sound plan. As we are but a foundling land, we must put aside or differences for stability. I myself am in the midst of directing my senate on some rather pressing local issues, thus I will refrain from standing for election for the post of UN delegate for the time being. Perheps in the future when elections are again on the agenda I will run for the office.

Until that time however, i will endorse another head of state. I understand you all have busy scheduals and cannot go around campaigning like some poor despot stuck in the Pacific, so don't bother on my acount, my mind will be made up within 48 hours.

I would like to propose one thing however: that the UN delegate would consult with all Apolyton lands before casting a referendum vote and that the vote not be cast with a 2/3 majority of the Apolyton nation states.

Kind regards,

Aahz Capone, Lord Chancellor
Federation of Imperial Republics
Apolyton Region

Drogue · December 26, 2002, 01:43

I disagreed to "I still think we should have the pre-qualification phase and make sure everyone votes for the candidates." Because I think they have a system that is more democratic, and represents the will of each nation more, as they can vote for anyone, and are not bound into voting for anyone.

Nubclear · December 26, 2002, 01:45

Quote:

Originally posted by Drogue
I disagreed to "I still think we should have the pre-qualification phase and make sure everyone votes for the candidates." Because I think they have a system that is more democratic, and represents the will of each nation more, as they can vote for anyone, and are not bound into voting for anyone.

I disagree

Because I believe things could get quite messy if we just let everyone vote for everyone. In the beginning those whom want to step forth shall step fourth....I am simply outlying a model plan. We could just limit it to those whom want to do it which my people believe would be a very democratic system.

Drogue · December 26, 2002, 01:47

To be honest, I don't think we can. Not all members of Apolyton region are members of 'Poly, and as nationstate have a system set up, it seems a little strange to unnaturally force all our members into a different system.

I formally request that we stick to the consitiution of the UN we wish to join when it comes to elected our delegate.

Nubclear · December 26, 2002, 01:48

Quote:

Originally posted by Drogue
To be honest, I don't think we can. Not all members of Apolyton region are members of 'Poly, and as nationstate have a system set up, it seems a little strange to unnaturally force all our members into a different system.

I was not aware of this fact (Because the name "Apolyton" I don't believe would attract many non-poly people

) but in light of it you are completly correct on this issue.

Drogue · December 26, 2002, 01:49

Quote:

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
I disagree

Because I believe things could get quite messy if we just let everyone vote for everyone. In the beginning those whom want to step forth shall step fourth....I am simply outlying a model plan. We could just limit it to those whom want to do it which my people believe would be a very democratic system.

I would agree to that, we should limit it to the people that wish to be delegate, but we should not force vote. You may endorse whichever candidate you want.

aahz_capone · December 26, 2002, 01:51

btw, is there any way to veto non-'poly people joining our region so as too keep this er... an ethincally pure region? (My God! That sounded terrible!!

)

That's the beauty of living in Apolyton. I think as Drogue says we SHOULD discuss Regional politics in the nationstates forum to make it fair for those non-poly states, HOWEVER, those of us in the know can more privatly communicate here to give us "ethnic Apolytons" an edge, because I don't take with that foreign collonial nonpoly riffraff. :P

aahz_capone · December 26, 2002, 01:56

speaking of which, if the delgate gets an extra vote, but the nations of the region can still vote seperately, how do we control the delegate not abusing his vote or still voting in contrast to the regional majority? and in the long term if necessary how do we choose a new delegate?

This is why I think reaching at least a 2/3 majority is important, instead of a 51% majority.

Drogue · December 26, 2002, 01:57

That stinks of ethnic cleansing!

There is to be none of that in Apolyton (Not even against Finns

)

Besides, one of my lucrative trade partners has joined us

Not that money would influence such a leader

no, couldn't be that at all...

Drogue · December 26, 2002, 01:59

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Originally posted by aahz_capone
speaking of which, if the delgate gets an extra vote, but the nations of the region can still vote seperately, how do we control the delegate not abusing his vote or still voting in contrast to the regional majority? and in the long term if necessary how do we choose a new delegate?

We can't. And they don't get one extra vote, they get one extra for each nation that endorses them. It could be 8 extra votes if we go with Tass' plan. You choose a new delegate by removign your endorsement from one nation and giving it to another IIRC.

aahz_capone · December 26, 2002, 02:00

The problem with discussing EVERYTHING in the nationstates forum is that other nations from other regions can look into our top secret regional council secions and secondly the General and UN forum there is a mess. seriously everybody is talking about everything (much like we do in the OT forum here). If we keep large discussions of great importance here in poly where we have space and order and decisions of great importance in the regionforum I think we will do OK.

Drogue · December 26, 2002, 02:04

Quote:

Originally posted by aahz_capone
The problem with discussing EVERYTHING in the nationstates forum is that other nations from other regions can look into our top secret regional council secions and secondly the General and UN forum there is a mess. seriously everybody is talking about everything (much like we do in the OT forum here).

I think you have it there. Just like the OT forum here. Would it be any better if we moved it here? If we do, we can tell people who join where our discussions are based, or post in on our region page. We could even use IRC if we want to have a conference?

aahz_capone · December 26, 2002, 02:04

I suppose it would be too hard to ask Ming or some other kind and gentle moderator to make a nationstates forum so that we could have multiple threads all orginzed here at 'poly?

please?

Nubclear · December 26, 2002, 02:07

Quote:

Originally posted by aahz_capone
I suppose it would be too hard to ask Ming or some other kind and gentle moderator to make a nationstates forum so that we could have multiple threads all orginzed here at 'poly?

please?

I support this as well and I also suport "forced voting" because we might as well give our delegate much power and if I am elected I will serve the will of the collective

Now I apologize but it's time to go spend some nice, quality Christmas time with the family

Have fun!

Drogue · December 26, 2002, 02:12

I agree too, our own forum would be great

I will not support forced voting, nor take any part in it's implimentation, as it is against the ideals of my people. Though we are a group, we are a group of pretty differently minded states, and as such some will not support some others (like the "Iron Fist Consumerists" and the "Left-wing Utopians") and we will all have different proposals we want or do not want, therefore I do not think forced or block voting will work.

aahz_capone · December 26, 2002, 02:44

Tass, I think you missinterpreted the way delegates work, just as I did.

I figured it out now.

A region does not have 1 delegate. It can have many. And by commming to an agreement on who gets "all" votes to become the only uberdelegate would risk that delegate becoming powerpsycho and going AWOL. So this is my new preposal that should keep both you and drogue happy:

The region members may, if they want to, form "confederations". That is for example, I vote for tass, tass votes for drogue and drogue votes for me. Then we all vote the same at the UN. This jockeying for political rings will great a nice partisan politcs sphere in our region and keep likeminded nations together while not giving up their vote to a nation whose idiology they don't like, making drogue happy. Ofcourse, not everybody will want to make a ring/confederation, or might create a "two man ring". These are the independents.

Now since you can endorse anyone at anytime the rings will probably change per UN resolution. However not much considering idiologies precent. If we all agree on something we may be able to great a super ring and double our regions voting power if we leave out no independents. This will keep the political power in our hands at the UN that tass obviously wants to preserve, effectively just like a collective will as he so nicely put it.

merry christmas.

MichaeltheGreat · December 26, 2002, 02:46

Quote:

Originally posted by aahz_capone
I suppose it would be too hard to ask Ming or some other kind and gentle moderator to make a nationstates forum so that we could have multiple threads all orginzed here at 'poly?

please?

We can do it, in the strict technical sense, but that's MarkG and DanQ turf.

SnowFire · December 26, 2002, 02:51

It already exists... the S&D. Being that it's the catch-all for anything of this sort, and currently isn't under a huge load due to the slowness of the Dip games so far...

aahz_capone · December 26, 2002, 02:54

Really? wow! thanx for the info. It wouldn't hurt anybody in the miscellaneous or other game areas.

How can we go about petitioning MarkG and DanQ for this? It would save us a lot of trouble sorting through the mess that is the nationstates.net forum.

edit: after reading snow's post

yeah, haven't thought of that. the miscellaneous stories and diplomacy forum. It's not being used a lot so we might as well do all the nationstates debating there. I'll post it at the Regional Apolyotn HQ at nationstates.net so everybody gets the idea. thanx!

GeneralTacticus · December 26, 2002, 03:15

How exactly does one join a particular region?