Arabs attack Grozny - Page 2

Sava · December 29, 2002, 13:16

Gee, what a surprise... Arab terrorists supporting the Chechen terrorists... Arab terrorists also were supporting the Albanian terrorists in Kosovo... Yet the US is the only one allowed to fight terror.

Sprayber · December 29, 2002, 13:28

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Originally posted by Sava
Yet the US is the only one allowed to fight terror.

This line of reasoning comes from where exactly?

Sava · December 29, 2002, 13:30

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Originally posted by Sprayber
This line of reasoning comes from where exactly?

Milosevic gets put in The Hague for combating terror in Kosovo.

Putin gets heat any time he does anything about Chechnya.

The US detains thousands and indiscriminantly bombs countries, starts wars with so-called rogue states, tramples on its own constitution... and the people cheer

Sprayber · December 29, 2002, 13:32

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Originally posted by Sava

Milosevic gets put in The Hague for combating terror in Kosovo.

Putin gets heat any time he does anything about Chechnya.

The US detains thousands and indiscriminantly bombs countries, starts wars with so-called rogue states, tramples on its own constitution... and the people cheer

So all these cases are exactly the same?

Sava · December 29, 2002, 13:35

You're confusing me... they are all very different... that's my point... but the one constant is the Arab terror involvement. The US is hypocritical.

Shi Huangdi · December 29, 2002, 13:38

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Originally posted by Sava
that's my point... but the one constant is the Arab terror involvement.

Kosovars and Chechens are NOT Arabs!

Sprayber · December 29, 2002, 13:43

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Originally posted by Sava
You're confusing me... they are all very different... that's my point... but the one constant is the Arab terror involvement. The US is hypocritical.

No your point is that the US is hypocritical becuase it prevents others from fighting terrorism. But the only way the US could be hypocritical is if its situation were exactly the same as the other examples that you yourself gave, otherwise it's a case of the US looking at each individual case and making a determination. Of course I suppose you only see evil intentions in all cases. oh woe the evil empire.

Sava · December 29, 2002, 13:45

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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi

Kosovars and Chechens are NOT Arabs!

Very good, now try using your reading skills... ARAB TERROR INVOLVEMENT...

Sprayber · December 29, 2002, 13:45

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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi

Kosovars and Chechens are NOT Arabs!

I think he means that Arabs are backing the violence.

Sava · December 29, 2002, 13:47

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Originally posted by Sprayber

No your point is that the US is hypocritical becuase it prevents others from fighting terrorism. But the only way the US could be hypocritical is if its situation were exactly the same as the other examples that you yourself gave, otherwise it's a case of the US looking at each individual case and making a determination. Of course I suppose you only see evil intentions in all cases. oh woe the evil empire.

The cases are different, but are very similar. Arabs are supporting and financing terrorist operations in the US, Chechnya, and Kosovo. The US would have done the same thing Milosevic did, yet they condemn him. The US would have done the same thing Putin has been doing, yet they condemn him (not to the degree of Milosevic, but that's only because Putin is the leader of Russia and not Yugoslavia).

Why is this so hard for you people to see?

Sprayber · December 29, 2002, 13:50

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Originally posted by Sava

The cases are different, but are very similar. Arabs are supporting and financing terrorist operations in the US, Chechnya, and Kosovo. The US would have done the same thing Milosevic did, yet they condemn him. The US would have done the same thing Putin has been doing, yet they condemn him (not to the degree of Milosevic, but that's only because Putin is the leader of Russia and not Yugoslavia).

Why is this so hard for you people to see?

Would you mind listing all the similarities that you see that us poor misguided people may see your wisdom.

Ned · December 29, 2002, 14:48

Sava, I see your point. But the common factor seems to be that the Arabs are financing "resistance" movements in various countries. They financed in the mujahedin resistance in Afghanistan, the resistance in Bosnia, the resistance in Chechnya, the resistance in Kosovo and of course the resistance in Palestine. Not all of these of course were conducted by means of terror operations. It does appear though that the Chechens use terror as their primary method of resistance. The Chechens are also highly integrated with Al Qaeda. And yet the Arab states continue the finance the Chechen resistance. I think it's time for the Arab states to cut off funds where the resistance employs atrocities as their method of operation.

As to Kosovo, did the KLA use terror in its operations prior to the NATO bombing campaign? If they did, I can see why people would believe that it is unjust to put Milosevic on trial while leaving the KLA terrorists free.

Sava · December 29, 2002, 15:29

The KLA targeted woman and children. But it was the principality of their "resistance" which was most wrong. The ethnic Albanian revolts in Kosovo would be most comparable with a Hispanic revolt in the Southwestern US. And we all know what would happen if that were to occur. As for their methods, they didn't go for extravagant targets and large media coverage... they simply killed indiscriminantly.

Spray: If you can't see the similarities, I can't help you.

Heresson · December 29, 2002, 15:33

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I think Russia may renew hostilities with it's old rival, the Turks. Perhaps the Turks will even try to regain the Crimea.

Unlike what some Russian nationalists and western ignorants think, Crimea is part of Ukraine, not Russia.

Az · December 29, 2002, 15:54

FOR NOW.

seriously, historically, ukraine has very little to do with the crimea, It was more comfortable to administrate from Kiev during the SU, so Khruschev (who was ukraininan btw) gave it to the USSR (Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic )

mazzz · December 29, 2002, 18:37

arabs dont back voiclince, russia "terrorizes" chechs to....

israel terrorizers palistineians to

Ned · December 29, 2002, 21:08

mazzz, an Arab was among those who drove the trucks in Grozny. Very curious since Arabs don't back violence.

War4ever · December 29, 2002, 21:28

USA could care less what the russians do, that was evident when they allowed the russian to hammer the chechyans

mazzz · December 29, 2002, 23:46

i can remember hearing that a AMERICAN was in south afirca killing blacks, that does it mean americans back killing blacks, judge someone by there race is well RACIST, and ned where do you hear bout an arab being one of the,, i dont see how they could tell if it was that bib of a blast

Ned · December 30, 2002, 00:56

mazzz, I was looking for a link, but all I could find was the following which indicates an Arab was involved in planning the attack.

"A spokesman for Russian forces in Chechnya, Col. Ilya Shabalkin, said that Chechen rebel warlord Shamil Basayev and an Arab militant, Abu al-Walid, ordered the attack, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported.

Shabalkin said Basayev and al-Walid, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood organization, met with other rebels in the Nozhai-Yurt region of Chechnya before the bombing and al-Walid urged the rebels to carry out major terrorist acts in Grozny and other regional centers in Chechnya.

Yasser el-Sirri, of the London-based Islamic Observation Center, said the Saudi-born al-Walid became a leading rebel commander in Chechnya after the death of Arab warlord Omar Ibn al Khattab. Al-Walid's real name is Abdel Aziz al-Ghamidi, he said."

Your statement that Arabs don't back violence may be true of many Arabs, but obviously, not all.

Serb · December 30, 2002, 02:22

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Yasser el-Sirri, of the London-based Islamic Observation Center, said the Saudi-born al-Walid became a leading rebel commander in Chechnya after the death of Arab warlord Omar Ibn al Khattab. Al-Walid's real name is Abdel Aziz al-Ghamidi, he said."

Perhaps it's news for you guys, but this guy- Omar Ibn al Khattab was FREIND, EMISSARY and STUDENT of surprise, surprise....Osama bin Laden.

There is nothing new for me in your story Ned. Chechnya is full of Arab mercenaries and Wahhabite preachers.

Serb · December 30, 2002, 02:27

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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi

Well we were able to bomb one of their allies and force them to open their provinces into occupation.

You should be proud. Your president ordered to murder thousands and brings eco-disaster into Yougoslavia, just to drove attention from his sex-scandal.
***** ***** ***** **** ** ****.

Try to do smt of that kind with Russia and you'll find your continent would turn into radiactive wasteland soon.

Serb · December 30, 2002, 02:31

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Unlike what some Russian nationalists and western ignorants think, Crimea is part of Ukraine, not Russia.

Ukraine? I thought you will say "it belongs to Poland".
Historicaly it belongs to Russia, no matter what Polish nationalists think, we've conquered it. Someday it will be ours again.

btw, clean you mail box....

it's full of crap

mazzz · December 30, 2002, 13:43

israeli have done terrorist things, just look at saboth what happend there, that does not mean all israelis do that, jewish settlers have attcked arab refugee camps before that doesnt mean the all jews are bad, that would be crazy talk to say that

DinoDoc · December 30, 2002, 13:47

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Originally posted by Serb
Historicaly it belongs to Russia, no matter what Polish nationalists think, we've conquered it. Someday it will be ours again.

You didn't fair so well in the last Crimean War. I don't think you'd do that well in another one.

Ned · December 30, 2002, 15:03

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Originally posted by mazzz
israeli have done terrorist things, just look at saboth what happend there, that does not mean all israelis do that, jewish settlers have attcked arab refugee camps before that doesnt mean the all jews are bad, that would be crazy talk to say that

mazzz, we are coming to an agreement here on the use of language. Not all Arabs are terrorists. Neither are all Arabs against violence. Ditto Israeli's.

We have had similar debates here on the character of Islam. What we concluded, I believe is that we cannot generalize. There some Islamic clerics who believe and promote violence. There are other who preach peace and coexistence.

Generalizations are typically wrong and lead to prejudice.

Serb · December 30, 2002, 22:31

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
You didn't fair so well in the last Crimean War. I don't think you'd do that well in another one.

I guess that's all what you know about history of Crimea.
To your knowledge it was conquered centuries before this war and btw, last war there was WW2 and defenders of Crimea did very well.

Btw, I don't know a single war where America did well.

Have a nice day.

Ned · December 31, 2002, 05:45

Hey, Serb. Anything more on this from the Russian government? What are they going to do, except complain, about Arab countries financing a war against them -- once again? (Remembering Afghanistan.)

Serb · December 31, 2002, 06:15

I have no idea how they gonna solve this problem.

Heresson · December 31, 2002, 11:24

Crimea was conquered by Catherine II not more than a century before Crymean war, somewhere in the seventies-eighties of XVIII century. Serb, You are a great ignorant!!!

I know how Ukraine gained Crymea. It's about that it's a posessity of Ukraine now. If someone except for me called Lithuania or Ukraine a Polish province, I would think He didn't do well. Crymea has as little to do with Ukraine as with Russia.

And yes, Ukraine is eternal part of Great Poland :P