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[Al B. Sure!]

David Floyd:

basically the same thing except maybe even more simple... Thomas Jefferson was relatively a libertarian, right? State's rights, personal freedom, free trade, etc... those ideas are pre-marxist and conservative considering the United States was founded on such ideals.

[Al B. Sure!]

So libertarian ideals have always existed in the american political culture and are thus, conservative... as opposed to the socialist progressiveness

[David Floyd]

Speer, from an American context, Libertarianism and conservatism are in no way related.

Conservatives claim to support economic freedom, yet still support taxes, generally support social welfare policies and military spending, and things of that nature. They also claim to support personal freedom, but this is laughable, as they favor laws against homosexuality, drugs, gambling, prostitution, etc., and are often in favor of state sponsored religion and strong police powers.

Libertarians take a completely opposite position to all of the above, so I fail to see how a conservative can be likened to a Libertarian, politically speaking.

[Hurricane]

#1 You are a social liberal. Like all liberals, you believe in individual freedom as a central objective - but you believe that lack of economic opportunity, education, healthcare etc. can be just as damaging to liberty as can an oppressive state. As a result, social liberals are generally the most outspoken defenders of human rights and civil liberties, and combine this with support for a mixed economy, with an enabling state providing public services to ensure that people's social rights as well as their civil liberties are upheld.
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#2 You are a market liberal. You adhere to the traditional liberal belief in freedom, and take this to mean negative rather than positive freedom - i.e. a slimmed-down state is the best guarantor of freedom. You will therefore support a laissez-faire economic policy, and you will be reasonably tolerant on the social front - though less emphatically so than social liberals.
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#3 You adhere to the Third Way. The Third Way is a fairly nebulous concept, but it rests on the idea of combining economic efficiency - i.e. a market economy with some intervention - with social responsibility. The focus is emphatically on the community as a whole, and not necessarily equality per se. Adherents of the Third Way range from moderate to conservative in their social views, and have recently been willing to take a "tough" line on a range of social issues.
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#4 You are a libertarian conservative. You hold that the free market is the best way of organising economic activity, but you combine this with adherence to more traditional social values of authority and duty.
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#5 You are a social democrat. Like other socialists, you believe in a more economically equal society - but you have jettisoned any belief in the idea of the planned economy. You believe in a mixed economy, where the state provides certain key services and where the productivity of the market is harnessed for the good of society as a whole. Many social democrats are hard to distinguish from social liberals, and they share a tolerant social outlook.
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#6 You are an anarcho-capitalist. Anarcho-capitalists take the Jeffersonian belief that "that government is best which governs least", and extend it - "that government is best which governs not at all". The theory of anarcho-capitalism is that the market can replace the state as a regulator of individual behaviour (resulting in private courts, private policing etc.).
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#7 You are an ecologist or green. You believe that the single greatest challenge of our time is the threat to our natural environment, and you feel that radical action must be taken to protect it - whether in the enlightened self-interest of humanity (in the tradition of 'shallow ecologism') or, more radically, from the perspective of the ecosystem as a whole, without treating humans as the central species (deep ecologism).
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#8 You are a Christian democrat - or, in the UK, a "One Nation conservative"; in other words, although you share the usual conservative belief in stability and duty, you believe that such duties include a responsibility on the part of the better-off to help those who are less fortunate. You will be socially conservative, but in favour of a mixed economy where the state does have a role in providing public services. Christian democracy arose after World War II, succeeding more doctrinaire Catholic parties dating from the 1870s.
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#9 You are a classical socialist, believing in equality of outcome as a principle. This might mean greater equality (e.g. Old Labour), or as close to absolute equality as possible. However, you will believe in an extensive public sector, covering not just public services (transport, healthcare etc.) but probably also the 'commanding heights' of industry (e.g. iron and steel). Your views on personal morality will be reasonably tolerant, in general, but there is considerable variation within this political group.
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#10 You are a communist. You believe, at least in theory, in absolute equality of income - and you oppose the whole capitalist system per se. You want to abolish the market economy and replace it with one in which the workers (usually meaning the state) control the building blocks of the economy. Your views on personal morality will vary; traditional communists tended to be more authoritarian, while modern "eurocommunists" tend to take a liberal line.
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#11 You are a fascist. You combine a strong belief in the nation with authoritarian social values, and a willingness to impose your views upon others. You strongly oppose immigration, and are willing to take radical action to combat it.
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#12 You are an anarcho-communist, aiming for a society without the state, based on small, decentralised groups living communally.
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[Henrik]

1 Social Liberal
2 Social Democrat
3 Ecologist/Green
4 Market Liberal
5 Anarcho-Capitalist
6 Third Way
7 Classical Socialist
8 Communist
9 Anarcho-Comunist
10 Christian Democrat
11 Libertarian Conservative
12 Fascist

[Berzerker]

1 Anarcho-capitalist
2 Libertarian/conservative
3 Market liberal
4 Fascist (LOL, because I thought marriage was better than cohabitation of any kind?)
5 Social liberal (so close to fascist?)

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Berzerker
4 Fascist (LOL, because I thought marriage was better than cohabitation of any kind?)
5 Social liberal (so close to fascist?)

Doesn't mean they are close, just that you are near centre between the two.

[Ben Kenobi]

#1 You are a Christian democrat
#2 You are a libertarian conservative.
#3 You are a social democrat. (first three expected)
#4 You are an ecologist or green
#5 You adhere to the Third Way.
#6 You are a fascist. (hmm, a bit high)
#7 You are a social liberal.
#8 You are a market liberal. (seems a bit low)
#9 You are a classical socialist,
#10 You are an anarcho-capitalist.
#11 You are a communist.
#12 You are an anarcho-communist,

Seems like I am closest to Slowwhand so far.

[Berzerker]

Doesn't mean they are close, just that you are near centre between the two.

Not sure how I could be between the two when they were 4 and 5 on my list.

[Urban Ranger]

#1You are an anarcho-communist
#2 You are a communist
#3 You are an ecologist or green
#4 You are a classical socialist
#5 You are a social democrat
#6 You are a social liberal
#7 You adhere to the Third Way
#8 You are a fascist
#9 You are an anarcho-capitalist
#10 You are a Christian democrat
#11 You are a market liberal
#12 You are a libertarian conservative

I am an anacho-communist? Learn something new everyday.

[DinoDoc]

#1 Christian democrat
#2 libertarian conservative
#3 market liberal
#4 social liberal
#5 Third Way
#6 anarcho-capitalist
#7 social democrat
#8 green
#9 fascist
#10 classical socialist
#11 communist
#12 anarcho-communist

I'll leave it for others to say if this is an accurrate description of me.

[Bereta_Eder]

i clicked on the link and a hell of pop ups ensuied. i frantically started to close them all, including, apparently the window with the survey. and im not clicking on it again.

[Odin]

1. Green
2. Communist
3. Classical Socialist
4. Social Democrat
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10. Facist
11. Anarcho-capitalist
12. Libertarian Conservative (sucks)

[Odin]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
#1 Christian democrat
#2 libertarian conservative
#3 market liberal
#4 social liberal
#5 Third Way
#6 anarcho-capitalist
#7 social democrat
#8 green
#9 fascist
#10 classical socialist
#11 communist
#12 anarcho-communist

I'll leave it for others to say if this is an accurrate description of me.

#2= DD

[Az]

It seems to me that this poll pinpointed rather accurately everyone's stances.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

1. Social Liberal
2. Social Democrat
3. Third Way
4. Market Liberal
5. Libertarian Conservative
6. Green or Ecologist

[Gangerolf]

1 Third Way
2 social liberal
3 ecologist or green
4 social democrat
5 Christian democrat
6 anarcho-communist
7 classical socialist
8 communist
9 fascist
10 anarcho-capitalist
11 libertarian conservative
12 market liberal

[Thrawn05]

01: Christian democrat
02: social democrat
03: Green
04: classical socialist
05: fascist
06: Social Liberal
07: third way
08: communist
09: libertarian conservative
10: anarcho-communist
11: market liberal
12: anarcho-capitalist

mmmm... this is perhaps the weirdest survey I've done yet.

[Az]

But it one of the most correct ones, AFAIS.

Your Fascist is a bit high. do you feel a sudden urge to destroy this poll?

[August Borms]

1 Fascist
2 Third Way
3 Christian Democrat
4 Classical Socialist
5 Communist
6 Libertarian Conservative
7 Social Democrat
8 Market Liberal
9 Ecologist or Green
10 Social Liberal
11 Anarcho-Communist
12 Anarcho-Capitalist

[Al B. Sure!]

August Borms!


Dave Floyd:

Yes but this is a poll from the European standpoint and in Europe there are more diverse political differences. No significant number of people in the united states are marxist. Our left-wing groups, the Democrats and even the Green Party are still relatively capitalistic, when viewed compared to communists and socialists.

The United States is naturally more libertarian than Europe and we have always been since 1776. This causes our libertarianism to be somewhat conservative... don't think about American divisions between libertarians and conservatives... but think from a European and specifically marxist standpoint that libertarian capitalists are conservative as opposed to the progressive (opposite of conservative) socialists.

Don't think conservative as favouring school prayer conservative... think conservative as the opposite of marxism... thus, libertarians are conservative.


thanks

[axi]

#1 You are an anarcho-communist,
#2 You are a communist.
#3 You are a classical socialist
#4 You are an ecologist or green.
#5 You are a social democrat.
#6 You are a social liberal.
#7 You are a fascist.
#8 You adhere to the Third Way.
#9 You are an anarcho-capitalist.
#10 You are a market liberal.
#11 You are a Christian democrat
#12 You are a libertarian conservative.

The author's viewpoint on communism is skewed, that's why it has come second. Communists believe in the abolition of the state as well as anarchists. Just read "State and Revolution" by V.I. Lenin.

[St Leo]

I've highlighted the more accurate ones.

#1 You are a social liberal
#2 You are an ecologist or green
#3 You are a communist
#4 You are a social democrat
#5 You are an anarcho-communist
#6 You are a classical socialist
#7 You are an anarcho-capitalist
#8 You are a market liberal
#9 You adhere to the Third Way
#10 You are a fascist
#11 You are a Christian democrat
#12 You are a libertarian conservative

[David Floyd]

AS,

First off, I just had a similar argument with Drogue over what a Libertarian is and stands for.

But anyway,

The United States is naturally more libertarian than Europe and we have always been since 1776.

And again, the US cannot in any way be called Libertarian. The US may have supported a couple of ideals that libertarians would agree with, but the US has also supported ideas that socialists and communists would agree with. Does that make the US communistic? Of course not.

This causes our libertarianism to be somewhat conservative...

Again, by the same argument, the US is also somewhat communist.

[Al B. Sure!]

David Floyd:

Alright we need to make sure we got a basic ground-work going on here... do you consider the jeffersonians to be significantly libertarian?

[David Floyd]

Not really. They owned slaves, after all.

[Al B. Sure!]

Dave:

You're thinking too much from an American perspective... think from the perspective of biased, anti-capitalist marxist europeans... from a leftist position, libertarians, being capitalist, and embodying the ideals of the American republic (even if they were not realized a la slavery), are non-progressive... they are conservative as they hold onto the 'ancient' idea of capitalism.


thanks

[David Floyd]

You're thinking too much from an American perspective... think from the perspective of biased, anti-capitalist marxist europeans... from a leftist position, libertarians, being capitalist, and embodying the ideals of the American republic (even if they were not realized a la slavery), are non-progressive... they are conservative as they hold onto the 'ancient' idea of capitalism.

I don't really care who's perspective you are viewing things from. The point is, Libertarianism is about freedom. If one does not support freedom in a consistent manner, then one is not a Libertarian. Simple as that.

[Al B. Sure!]

David Floyd:

Europeans... what you expect?

[David Floyd]

Well that's a good point, supporting freedom in a consistent manner is not really the strong suit of most Europeans, or at least that's the trend I see here.

Then again, that applies to most Americans, too.