EMPIRE: A Lesson to you all

HazieDaVampire · January 9, 2003, 17:01

People in Britain mite want to tune into EMPIRE on Channel4 about why Britain mannaged to stand above the bigger nations in Europe and take over 1/4 of the whole world and having more influence than America does today for 200years.

You better hurry up its starting now!

rah · January 9, 2003, 17:07

Living on dreams of the past, instead of focusing on the journey forward.

HazieDaVampire · January 9, 2003, 17:11

Its Called International History.

And as soon as we get rid of Batty boi Tony "The Dog" Blair we can consentrate on putting true Democracy into Britain.

Static Universe · January 9, 2003, 18:01

Now look at England, overrun by immigrants from nations they once controlled, lapdog to their former colony, and economic puppet to the European mainland...

Provost Harrison · January 9, 2003, 18:04

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Originally posted by Static23
Now look at England, overrun by immigrants from nations they once controlled, lapdog to their former colony, and economic puppet to the European mainland...

Blair is the lapdog, he doesn't have popular support with regards to his posturing with Bush...and we certainly don't seem to be an economic puppet to Europe either, being a member of the EU has brought us many, many benefits which you have conveniently ignored.

Nubclear · January 9, 2003, 18:10

The British empire (and all the atrocities it commited) were horrifying. Britain today is sad (Arrogent people, unofficially belonging to America, etc).

Will this fate befall Mewica?!?! Oh well......

Dr Strangelove · January 9, 2003, 18:19

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Originally posted by HazieDaVampire
People in Britain mite want to tune into EMPIRE on Channel4 about why Britain mannaged to stand above the bigger nations in Europe and take over 1/4 of the whole world and having more influence than America does today for 200years.

You better hurry up its starting now!

The critical turning point was India. The East India Company beat out the French by promising not to send priests to convert the people, so France's Indian allies defected to the British side. They kept their word too, no English priests were allowed into Indai until the British government turned the country into an empire in the 19th century. By then Indian culture was beginning to reassert itself.

Barley · January 9, 2003, 18:27

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The British empire (and all the atrocities it commited) were horrifying. Britain today is sad (Arrogent people, unofficially belonging to America, etc).

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Long Live the Soviet Union!

a Country second only to Nazi Germany in committing the most attrocities - and even to this day they continue, second only to the grand old (or not so old but certainly fat and brash USA)

Ok so here goes another UK / USA knobbling thread............... et at.........

Arrian · January 9, 2003, 18:31

Is the program any good? I saw an article in The Guardian bashing it (didn't read the article, just glanced at the header) as a whitewashing of the Empire. Not that The Guardian is exactly objective...

So, Brits who have seen the show, what do you think of it?

-Arrian

Static Universe · January 9, 2003, 18:35

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Originally posted by Barley

err a Country second only to Nazi Germany in committing the most attrocities

Actually the Soviet Union exceeds even the Nazis.

Barley · January 9, 2003, 18:57

Thanks Static.........

I did watch the programme, well the first 30 minutes of it. Quite interesting really. I didnt see the rest but I expected them to touch on that map (cant remember what it was called) that we knicked from the dutch, the one that showed us their already discovered lands.

Anyway, its a good program, ill be watching next time.

Static Universe · January 9, 2003, 19:21

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Originally posted by Barley
Thanks Static.........

I did watch the programme, well the first 30 minutes of it. Quite interesting really. I didnt see the rest but I expected them to touch on that map (cant remember what it was called) that we knicked from the dutch, the one that showed us their already discovered lands.

Anyway, its a good program, ill be watching next time.

And I always thought the "steal map" option in Civ was unrealistic.

HazieDaVampire · January 9, 2003, 19:22

it said on the Program that Britains attrocitys are far more well known than the meny more good things it did,
America too has commited meny attrocitys, the only difference is the British accept the ones they've made and say sorry.

Static Universe · January 9, 2003, 19:44

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Originally posted by HazieDaVampire
America too has commited meny attrocitys, the only difference is the British accept the ones they've made and say sorry.

England didn't start apologizing until they were in a much weaker bargaining position with their ex-colonies.

Then suddenly they're all weepy-eyed and wanting to establish fairer trade agreements.

FrustratedPoet · January 9, 2003, 19:47

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Originally posted by Static23

England didn't start apologizing until they were in a much weaker bargaining position with their ex-colonies.

Then suddenly they're all weepy-eyed and wanting to establish fairer trade agreements.

Although I agree with you, it'd be nice if you called it the British Empire. We must allow those darn clever Scottish engineers to have their fair share of the credit/blame for the whole nasty affair.

Static Universe · January 9, 2003, 20:01

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Originally posted by FrustratedPoet

Although I agree with you, it'd be nice if you called it the British Empire. We must allow those darn clever Scottish engineers to have their fair share of the credit/blame for the whole nasty affair.

You'll have to excuse me, I'm American.

FrustratedPoet · January 9, 2003, 20:03

Of course I'll excuse you.

In fact, since your American .... can I make you a cup of coffee, would you like to borrow my car or date my sister?

Zero · January 9, 2003, 20:05

Nazi germany is too popular for number 1 atrocity list...

What about imperial japan and soviet union? What about us? Us as in U.S? If you disagree, I'll find a native american who will talk for me

Also its not just quantity for me but quality.

Static Universe · January 9, 2003, 20:51

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Originally posted by Calc II
Nazi germany is too popular for number 1 atrocity list...

What about imperial japan and soviet union? What about us? Us as in U.S? If you disagree, I'll find a native american who will talk for me

Also its not just quantity for me but quality.

The USSR is hands down the top by statistical measures. Stalin's genius was that he made genocide boring.

"One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" - Joe Stalin

Cyclotron · January 9, 2003, 23:12

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Originally posted by Calc II
Nazi germany is too popular for number 1 atrocity list...

What about imperial japan and soviet union? What about us? Us as in U.S? If you disagree, I'll find a native american who will talk for me

Also its not just quantity for me but quality.

Well, I don't know about quality, but I would like to see some figures on the amount of Native Americans killed, and not by our diseases (since for the most part that wasn't our fault).

Nubclear · January 10, 2003, 01:57

Long live the evil Soviet Union

I support the brave and merciful stalin

Uh huh...I've always supported him.....

But then again, your just a settler. I should give you a break

Hueij · January 10, 2003, 02:46

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that map (cant remember what it was called) that we knicked from the dutch

So there it is! You stole it! We've been looking for it for centuries, we thought we misplaced it. Can we have it back now please?