Pre-bill: 'National Gold Reserve' - Page 2

Panag · January 13, 2003, 08:57

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Originally posted by Meshelic

Here here!

*Applause for WB*

hi ,

seconded

now can we just leave the insults and talk with some wisdom , ...

thanks , and oh , ideas are just ideas , they are most of time based on ones own experience or experience that is exchanced , ....

how long have people been asking for a gold reserve , right since the second day of the game , and we still dont have it , ....

at least the president we have know knows that one and one equals two , he saves money for this or that a couple turns down the line , ....

have a nice day

Spiffor · January 13, 2003, 09:30

1000 Lytons in reserve = good idea
Making a bill about this = bad idea

Panag · January 13, 2003, 10:00

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Originally posted by Spiffor
1000 Lytons in reserve = good idea
Making a bill about this = bad idea

hi ,

, the bill could serve as a buffer for a government who would want to spend the 1000 at ones , ......

some people shall say we dont need a bill because each person shall see the benefit , others shall say its a waste of the money laying there , even if it gives fifthy gold per turn , .....

have a nice day

joncnunn · January 13, 2003, 12:16

I agree 100% with Spiffor.

There are occansions where dipping below 1000 for a key improvement will pay for itself within 10 turns.

(Especally Hospital rushes combined with joining of 6 workers to the city.)

Quote:

Originally posted by Spiffor
1000 Lytons in reserve = good idea
Making a bill about this = bad idea

Panag · January 13, 2003, 12:55

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Originally posted by joncnunn
I agree 100% with Spiffor.

There are occansions where dipping below 1000 for a key improvement will pay for itself within 10 turns.

(Especally Hospital rushes combined with joining of 6 workers to the city.)

hi ,

and one way to prevent the dipping below the one thousand mark is to get more , thats why we should have something like two thousand or more , ....

imagine we get a surprise attack from a species , then we can use the intel agency for lets say emergency spy missions if needed , ...

have a nice day

Meshelic · January 13, 2003, 15:35

I don't think you understood what I was trying to say panag, not the other way around...

You say lets save up to 2500 lytons. I'm saying, "why on earth would we want to stop there?". Why put a ceiling on our profits?

We're going to want as much money as possible. 1000 lytons is the MINIMUM it takes to gain the 50 lytons-per-turn with Wall Street.

After that, imagine we are starting at ZERO, even though we have 1000 lytons in the bank. The 1000 lytons is NOT for touching, ONLY for helping our gpt stay where it is and we maximize our profits.

Anything BEYOND the minimum amount of 1000 is preferred. OF COURSE 2500 lytons is better than 2000.

I say why not go for as much money as we can?

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. There's no need to limit ourselves, but we should limit our SPENDING so we know we'll get that 50 lpt...

Panzer32 · January 13, 2003, 17:09

We don't need a bill for this. The government will keep the money in the bank, unless there is an advantage not to.

Panag · January 14, 2003, 05:57

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Originally posted by Meshelic
I don't think you understood what I was trying to say panag, not the other way around...

You say lets save up to 2500 lytons. I'm saying, "why on earth would we want to stop there?". Why put a ceiling on our profits?

We're going to want as much money as possible. 1000 lytons is the MINIMUM it takes to gain the 50 lytons-per-turn with Wall Street.

After that, imagine we are starting at ZERO, even though we have 1000 lytons in the bank. The 1000 lytons is NOT for touching, ONLY for helping our gpt stay where it is and we maximize our profits.

Anything BEYOND the minimum amount of 1000 is preferred. OF COURSE 2500 lytons is better than 2000.

I say why not go for as much money as we can?

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. There's no need to limit ourselves, but we should limit our SPENDING so we know we'll get that 50 lpt...

hi ,

indeed we should try to save what we can

, we should get banks everywhere

the first real thing we should do is to make sure that each town has what it needs , so for the moment we should invest in our civilization , thats why a limit is suggested for now , .....

imagine if we turn some big cities on wealth when they have everything we need in them , .....

have a nice

day

Panag · January 14, 2003, 05:58

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Originally posted by Panzer32
We don't need a bill for this. The government will keep the money in the bank, unless there is an advantage not to.

hi ,

some shall say its okay to go as low as 700 this turn , ..... ( example ) thats why we should try to prevent it

have a nice day

Panzer32 · January 14, 2003, 17:14

we don't even have wall street yet, Panag.

If we did have wall street, the government would see if it would be beneficial to dip below the 1000 gold.

Anyway, when did anyone say we can go as low as 700 this turn?

Panag · January 15, 2003, 00:31

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Originally posted by Panzer32
we don't even have wall street yet, Panag.

If we did have wall street, the government would see if it would be beneficial to dip below the 1000 gold.

Anyway, when did anyone say we can go as low as 700 this turn?

hi ,

" ( example ) "

have a nice day

Arnelos · January 15, 2003, 14:04

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Originally posted by Shiber
As soon as the small wonder Wall Street is built, we'd need a treasury of 1,000 gold or more to make maximum use of it. I suggest that we define the last 1,000 gold in the treasury as a national gold reserve, and order the government by law to keep at least 1,000 gold in the reserve at all times, with the exclusion of emergencies, defined by the president, where some of the national gold reserve needs to be spent.

I haven't read this entire thread, but now that my ISP is working properly again (about time!

), I'll respond to this.

Shiber, I like the idea here, but it faces what seems to be a critical flaw in implementation.

The President is ALREADY the person (so far...) who makes all of the decisions on rushes and upgrades. Telling the President he has to keep 1,000 gold in reserve, but telling him he can (at his discretion) declare a situation to be an emergency and dip into that 1,000 gold reserve seems to be a completely meaningless rule.

Perhaps restrictions should be placed on what the President can call an "emergency"?

Shiber · January 15, 2003, 14:43

Hi Arnelos.
Thanks for your comments on my proposal, but I have already abandoned it, having been convinced that it was too restrictive and unnecessary. There are some other supporters to this proposal though, perhaps they'd like to respond to your arguments.

Panzer32 · January 15, 2003, 17:51

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Originally posted by panag

hi ,

" ( example ) "

have a nice day

Example?? OK: There is 1040 gold in the treasury. Rush a bank that costs, say, 80 gold, saving, say, 6 turns (low produciton city). Building a bank gives 10 extra gold. First turn: 960 gold, 2 gpt lost, 10 gpt gained through bank. A net of 8 gpt for 6 turns = 48 gold. This does justify going under 1000 gold. It does not make up for the 80 gold for the rush, but it does allow to ust 6 more turns of production (This is the real reason for rushes).

Of course, this does not happen too often, but when it does, it would be nice for the president to be able to do it without a whole hunk of legal mumbo-jumbo (junk).

Panzer32 · January 15, 2003, 17:52

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Originally posted by Shiber
Hi Arnelos.
Thanks for your comments on my proposal, but I have already abandoned it, having been convinced that it was too restrictive and unnecessary. There are some other supporters to this proposal though, perhaps they'd like to respond to your arguments.

Great, Shiber! You have seen the light!

Panag · January 16, 2003, 10:13

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Originally posted by Panzer32

Example?? OK: There is 1040 gold in the treasury. Rush a bank that costs, say, 80 gold, saving, say, 6 turns (low produciton city). Building a bank gives 10 extra gold. First turn: 960 gold, 2 gpt lost, 10 gpt gained through bank. A net of 8 gpt for 6 turns = 48 gold. This does justify going under 1000 gold. It does not make up for the 80 gold for the rush, but it does allow to ust 6 more turns of production (This is the real reason for rushes).

Of course, this does not happen too often, but when it does, it would be nice for the president to be able to do it without a whole hunk of legal mumbo-jumbo (junk).

hi ,

and ones again this is a good example of why we should have more then one thousand , ....

have a nice day

Meshelic · January 16, 2003, 16:28

We don't NEED an example on WHY we should have more than one thousand. Doesn't EVERYONE want us to have more money? Why do we have to prove that we need more than that?

Geez I thought this stuff was self-explanatory.

BTW, I don't support this bill, too restrictive, for those of you wondering....

lmtoops · January 16, 2003, 19:01

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Originally posted by Spiffor
1000 Lytons in reserve = good idea
Making a bill about this = bad idea

Dito

1000...Yes
Bill....No