Viking city list

Gangerolf · January 18, 2003, 21:34

The civ2 city list was much better!

did they just randomly pick scandinavian cities this time?

a few comments:

- Trondheim - good choice for Viking capital, but IIRC it was called Nidaros back then.
- Bergen - was called Bjorgvin back then
- Elverurn - I guess it's supposed to be Elverum, AFAIK not a "Viking" town.
- Copenhagen, Stockholm - these were founded after the Viking era.
- Karasjok - a Sami town, got nothing to do with the Vikings.
- Thunderfall - all I can say is "what?"

- there are more but I can't be bothered right now

Where are the good ones from civ2, Kaupang, Jorvik and others?

Nubclear · January 18, 2003, 21:50

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Originally posted by Gangerolf

Where are the good ones from civ2, Kaupang, Jorvik and others?

You have to realize Civ3 is a different game....

Gangerolf · January 18, 2003, 22:04

it is?

well so what? does that prevent them from making a decent list?

BigDork · January 18, 2003, 23:23

If you don't like the list go nuts in the editor. Yeah it'll take a minute or two from play time but if it's that annoying to ya fix it.

BigD

alva · January 18, 2003, 23:39

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- Thunderfall - all I can say is "what?"

He's the owner of the Civfanatics site (CFC).

The greeks have APOLYTON as a city, and there is a MING city too (Aztecs?).
Those are just a few inside jokes, nothing to worry about

Gangerolf · January 19, 2003, 05:46

I know, "that's what the editor's for". I'll probably use the list from the "Extra Civs Pack" or Civ2 if I can find it.

I guess I just wanted an explaination as to why they made such a, in my opinion, horrible list.

Gangerolf · January 19, 2003, 05:49

alva, that's cool. didn't know that.

btw, civfanatics site? you mean there are other civ sites?

alva · January 19, 2003, 06:00

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http://www.civfanatics.com/
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Auch, that hurt

Be carefull if you ask a question over there though

Chances are the answer will contain words like; newbie thread, FAQ thread,....etc...
Other then that, it's pretty good, it's just not as good as this one.
btw: there are a couple of others too.

Gangerolf · January 19, 2003, 07:10

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Originally posted by alva
[incognito]
http://www.civfanatics.com/
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Auch, that hurt

oh I'm sorry.

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Be carefull if you ask a question over there though
Chances are the answer will contain words like; newbie thread, FAQ thread,....etc...

I just saw the top thread in the Civ3-General forum there. strange..

Purple · January 19, 2003, 15:26

The thread "Expanded city lists for PTW" has a couple of Scandinavian city lists longer than the default list.

Signa · January 19, 2003, 18:07

BTW in PTW the Vikings are no longer offically known as the Vikings, they are the Scandanavians. So the cities like Stockholm and Copenhagen are acceptable. Of course, you might have a bone to pick with the fact that they are not the Vikings anymore.

And the comments about how the old names should be used (ie Bjorgvin). Imagine if they did that for all the civs. Instead of Rome, Roma. Instead of Athens, Athenia (the old name of Athens might be a mispelling, but its close). That's just 2 of hundreds.

alva · January 19, 2003, 18:28

True, it has to remain an international game in order for everyone to be ablr to enjoy it .

SanPellegrino · January 19, 2003, 18:58

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Originally posted by alva
[Be carefull if you ask a question over there though

Chances are the answer will contain words like; newbie thread, FAQ thread,....etc...
Other then that, it's pretty good, it's just not as good as this one.

that's true, but it is a good idea to keep the board clean of those "my city is stuck at size 12, what should I do?" Threads. but you're right it's great but poly is greater.

Albert · January 20, 2003, 14:30

My first post to this site, though I have been reading it frequently because I haven`t played ptw yet. I am travelling in brasil for 6 months so I thought I would wait to join til I got back, but this cought my interest.

I totaly agree with gangerolf that the civ2 list was good, and there was no need to change it. I dont now what copenhagen is doing there instead of Roskilde, Bergen and stocholm as well. Dublin is more "vikingsh" than those cities

And since its not the vikings anymore, but the scandinavians, it has to be taken seriously that the scandinavians only has been a more or less a united civilization during the viking era. I fact after the viking era the scandinavs were constantly fighting each other, so the scandinavs has to be same civ as the vikings, cause its the only era in our history that we norwegians (dont now about the swedish and danish) are realy proud of. killing and raping, you know.

And for the Rome Roma issue. As fare as I know Roma has always been Rome in english, so we have to use the english way of spelling though the cities originaly is spelled othervice.

thats all for now
Àlbert out

Hagbart · January 20, 2003, 15:56

Are you saying that Roskilde is not a Viking city? It was one of the most important cities back then...

On the question if Copenhagen should be a Viking city I don't know.. but it is the largest city in Scandinavia today so I think it is very important to include it in the list.

I've made my own Viking city list, here it is:
Trondheim
Uppsala
Hedeby
Skiringssal
Birka
Roskilde
Oslo
Visby
Ribe
Kaupang
Sigtuna
Lejre
Nidaros
Jomsborg
Reykjavik
Jelling
København
Borg
Aarhus
Stockholm
Trelleborg
Hladir
Viborg
Jarlshof
Odense
Skara
Kalmar
Jorvik
Tønsberg
Fyrkat
Kvivik
Sandur
Holar
Thingvellir
Nonnebakken
Hvarf
Lindholm
Holmgård
Risby
Hlymrekur
Jarrow
Dyflinn
Ravning Enge
Torshavn
Lund
Bergen
Vorbasse
Falun
Sandavagur
Helsingør
Askrigg
Thingvollur
Göteborg
Vedrafjord
Linköping

You can use it if you want to.

Albert · January 20, 2003, 16:01

I ment that copenhagen should be named roskilde, casue that was the biggeste viking settlement in that region.

sorry for the misunderstanding

SanPellegrino · January 20, 2003, 16:26

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Originally posted by Albert

And since its not the vikings anymore, but the scandinavians, it has to be taken seriously that the scandinavians only has been a more or less a united civilization during the viking era.

I don't know much about scandinavian history but wasn't scandinavia in the age of the vikings a loose agglomeration of duchies and principalities either? (of course I know names of kings, Harald Bluetooth

or something? but never heard of a king ruling whole scandinavia. But wasnt there the Kalmar Union (spelling?) in 15./16,. century with Scandinavia united?

Forgive my half-knowledge and plz correct me if I am wrong.

Albert · January 20, 2003, 19:04

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Originally posted by SanPellegrino

I don't know much about scandinavian history but wasn't scandinavia in the age of the vikings a loose agglomeration of duchies and principalities either? (of course I know names of kings, Harald Bluetooth

or something? but never heard of a king ruling whole scandinavia. But wasnt there the Kalmar Union (spelling?) in 15./16,. century with Scandinavia united?

Forgive my half-knowledge and plz correct me if I am wrong.

alright I will correct you with my 3/4 knowledge, and give you all a lesson in viking history.

alliance?
The reason for me saying that we were more or less united during the viking era is that though there were some fights, they had in common that the viking countries were overpopulated, wich resulted in an emigration from these countries to england, eastern euorope and Normandie.
this again led to fights and plundering of these newly occupaid areas.

The vikings had a common language
and a common culture and stood united against the church. the vikings were exelent boat builders and had some of the best triremes the history has ever seen. this boats made the come quick and unexpected on their enemies.

this is why I think the viking special unit should be some early type of marine. atacking from a trireme.
can someone tell me what it is by the way.

kings:
In ca 850 a.d. or so, the norwegian king Harald Haarfagre (harald nicehair in english, a long story) united norway. Harald bluetooth was a danish king, but as fare as I know, was it king Knut of denmark (Canute in civ2) that was one of the greatest kings in the viking era. Invading a lot of England.
My favorite is Eirik Bloodaxe, just because he has a great name and I can Imagine how he was.
The history of norwegian viking kings was written down by a man called Snorre Sturlason on Island and is considered to be one of the greatest and one of the last writed works of the viking era, and was probably written as a political story book to decide who was the right inherator to the thrown.
A boring book with more than 1000 pages, but a lot of killing and glamour.

The Kalmar union:
The Kalmar union was not a union of scandinavia, but between sweden and norway, and was not a union, more a sort of occupation. while the danish had control of norway til 1814, frequently fighting the swedish since the swedish was allied with the bloddy englishmen, and Denmark was allied with France. And as we all know, the french and the englishmen weren`t actually wery good amigos. after an english/swedish victory over the french/danish close to the danish border, the danish gave norway to sweden in fear that the remaining swedish soldiers would attack denmark.
But what they didn`t give away was greenland and those islands north of england. These Islands and greenland had been norwegian since the viking era but belongs now to denmark since the swedish didn`t ask for those.

in 1905 norway was realeased from sweden, and since there was noone that could be related back to the viking kings they inserted a danish prince on the thrown, and its his grandson who is king at this moment, and though we still don`t like the swedish, we havent had a better relationship since the vikings

thats all
albert out

SanPellegrino · January 20, 2003, 19:39

thx for the information. I did know that sturlsson collected those ancient tales today known as the Edda, but didn't know that he wrote other books.

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Originally posted by Albert
this is why I think the viking special unit should be some early type of marine. atacking from a trireme.
can someone tell me what it is by the way.

are you kidding?

the Viking UU is the Berzerk replaces longbow, 6-2-1 and can make amphib assaults.

Cesa · January 21, 2003, 19:19

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Originally posted by Albert
this is why I think the viking special unit should be some early type of marine. atacking from a trireme.
can someone tell me what it is by the way.

It's some early type of marine, attacking from a tireme

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Originally posted by Albert and though we still don`t like the swedish, we havent had a better relationship since the vikings

So true

To be serious, Sweden and Norway could very well be the two most alike countries in the world, and some people say the border shouldn't exist...but I don't know, I wouldn't go to close to a person with röd&blå toppluva och en lusekofte...

MoonWolf · January 22, 2003, 06:14

Nice list, Hagbart! (PS. Leser du Peter Madsens Valhall?) Maybe Bergen (then Bjørgvin) wasn't so important in the Viking-period, but it sure was some years later so maybe you should bring it higher on the list. Also, as Gangerolf pointed out, Trondheim was call Nidaros

Can't remember his name, but it's actually an Arab who is also a great source to our history. He travelled with the Vikings who reached Istanbul (I think) and he wrote down his observations in a neutral way not coloured by religion or culture.

Hehe, pass deg nå, Cesa, ellers kommer DDE og tar deg! Men dere har jo danseband da (*grøss*)...

Cesa · January 22, 2003, 09:39

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Originally posted by MoonWolf
Men dere har jo danseband da

Don't use bad language in here plz

Albert · January 22, 2003, 11:38

Yeah, the list is great, but I wouldn`t use both Trondheim and Nidaros, or Roskilde and Copenhagen

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Originally posted by MoonWolf

Can't remember his name, but it's actually an Arab who is also a great source to our history. He travelled with the Vikings who reached Istanbul (I think) and he wrote down his observations in a neutral way not coloured by religion or culture.

thats true. I don`t remember his name either since it probably wasn`t a too easy name for us norwegians.
though I remember having about this in historyclass, this man wrote down how the vikings sacrifased a women and ate her afterwards.

Yepp, thats us, the scandinavs. And were here to eat you all.

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Originally posted by MoonWolf
Hehe, pass deg nå, Cesa, ellers kommer DDE og tar deg! Men dere har jo danseband da (*grøss*)...

translation: Watch out, Cesa, or the famous norwegian lokal music group DDE will get you. But of course, you guys got the dancemusic groups for people over 67.

Purple · January 22, 2003, 15:42

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Originally posted by Signa
BTW in PTW the Vikings are no longer offically known as the Vikings, they are the Scandanavians. So the cities like Stockholm and Copenhagen are acceptable. Of course, you might have a bone to pick with the fact that they are not the Vikings anymore.

Actually, I believe some of the dialogs still refer to Vikings.

MoonWolf · January 23, 2003, 04:19

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Originally posted by Cesa

Don't use bad language in here plz

Did you mean my Norwegian or the word "danseband" (=dansemusic gruop for old people)?

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Originally posted by Albert

thats true. I don`t remember his name either since it probably wasn`t a too easy name for us norwegians.
though I remember having about this in historyclass, this man wrote down how the vikings sacrifased a women and ate her afterwards.

Yepp, thats us, the scandinavs. And were here to eat you all.

Didn't know they ate women... I know, from the same Arab guy (Ali Baba?

), that it was some sex involved when they buried their chiefs, but eating people? Maybe the Viking UU should have had a "fear" parameter, or automatically damaging (from eating) units they went pass!

Think of it the next time you handshake with a Scandivian. Maybe he isn't really introducing himself, he just checks your hand's quality...

aaglo · January 23, 2003, 10:35

Wow... there were vikings in civ2 too!?

Albert · January 23, 2003, 12:53

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Originally posted by MoonWolf

Did you mean my Norwegian or the word "danseband" (=dansemusic gruop for old people)?

of course, if anyone in this forum actually likes this music, I would like to throw them out of here. though I don`t know your age, if your over 67 it`s ok

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Originally posted by MoonWolf

Didn't know they ate women... I know, from the same Arab guy (Ali Baba?

), that it was some sex involved when they buried their chiefs, but eating people? Maybe the Viking UU should have had a "fear" parameter, or automatically damaging (from eating) units they went pass!

Think of it the next time you handshake with a Scandivian. Maybe he isn't really introducing himself, he just checks your hand's quality...

maybe it was just raping, Not sure, but think it was more vikinish to eat them afterwards. And the eat instead of bombardment seems like aa good idea.
its like the game gets more alive with this sort of options

Gangerolf · January 23, 2003, 17:41

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BTW in PTW the Vikings are no longer offically known as the Vikings, they are the Scandanavians. So the cities like Stockholm and Copenhagen are acceptable. Of course, you might have a bone to pick with the fact that they are not the Vikings anymore.

They are still called Vikings, but the country name is Scandinavia(just like Egyptians & Egypt, Zulus & Zululand and so on.).

One complain about that as well, considering that there were Vikings outside of Scandinavia as well (e.g. the British Isles and Iceland), but that I wont do.

Gangerolf · January 23, 2003, 17:52

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thats true. I don`t remember his name either since it probably wasn`t a too easy name for us norwegians.
though I remember having about this in historyclass, this man wrote down how the vikings sacrifased a women and ate her afterwards.

I believe his name was Ibn Fadlan.

I don't think they ate anyone but they burnt some slave women during the burial of one of their leaders. Sorry to disappoint you

Gangerolf · January 23, 2003, 17:54

shite this thread made me think of "Vikingarna"