Which is better...AK47 or M16?

Lancer · February 4, 2003, 22:27

I've never used an AK so I'm curious. I'm not making a poll because I want to know why you hold your opinion.

Dis · February 4, 2003, 22:30

do you plan on becoming a terrorist?

I say AK for its standard ammunition size and reliability. It has a larger round as well.

But the M-16 A2's might be decent. I don't know. I have never fired one. But the original M-16's were crap.

Skanky Burns · February 4, 2003, 22:30

Depends on what game it is in...

Static Universe · February 4, 2003, 22:36

M-16 A2's are only slightly better than A1s. I used A1s in the Nat'l Guard and A2s in the Army and the A2's jammed only marginally less.

The AK is considered to be a superior weapon to the M16.

Edit: Forgot to mention I fired a few rounds out of an AK once, and it seemed about as accurate as the M16. The M16 is very accurate out to about 300 meters. I heard the big difference is that the Ak jams less.

Flatlander Fox · February 4, 2003, 22:37

AK 47 is more reliable in lousy conditions and has full burst capability.

M16A2 (M4 now) Is MUCH more accurate and conserves ammunition far better than the AK.

It all depends on what you need it for.

Kramerman · February 4, 2003, 22:37

ah, its about time someone creates an interesting thread

.

Well, they both have their advantages and disadvantages, and of course, the whole arguement depends opn whether we are talkin the M16a1 (

) or the M16a2 (

).

The Ak-47 is famous for its low cost, outstanding maintainability, high reliability and extraordinary durability, which are all pluses in hardcore battle conditions. Its 7.62 mm round packs a punch too (doesnt hold a lick against the 30-06 of the M1 and M14 tho

), but the rifle, do to its 'loose' construction (which contributes to its reliability) isnt the most accurate military service rifle. But its range is effective out to 300 meters, IIRC.

Overall, id say the M16a2 is definately a better rifle. Its outstanding in everyway, tho it has been critisized for its high need of maintainance and its round, the standard 5.56 mm NATO high velocity cartridge. It has excelent piercing capabilities, but lacks stopping power. It tends to punch little neat holes through its victims, like an ice pick, rather than tearing through the insides. The former requires very accurate shooting thru the 'kill zones' (heart, throat, head, etc), the latter you dont have to be so accurate because its tears along large swaths of flesh.
No matter tho, its effective range of nearly 500 meters is a huge plus.

Kman

Sava · February 4, 2003, 22:47

If this were the 1960's... the AK47... If this were 2003, then the M16 series...

Serb · February 5, 2003, 01:09

Like Russians create nothing new since 1947...

Just a couple of latest examples:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm

Cool looking AR, isn't it?
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as09-e.htm

Sava · February 5, 2003, 01:14

I'm not a fan of the 7.62mm... IMO, Sig Sauer makes the best assault rifles... then the Colt M4a1 and it's clones... then perhaps Steyr. No offense Serb, but I don't trust the craftsmanship of some poor sap in Siberia

David Floyd · February 5, 2003, 01:16

Serb, that IS a cool looking rifle, but the clip seems out of place somehow...seems as if it would get in the way and get jolted a lot, but I dunno.

Serb · February 5, 2003, 01:19

Sava,
Afaik, all Russian small arms developing factories located in European part of Russia, not in Siberia.

And in terms of reliability Russians guns wins hands down.

Zero · February 5, 2003, 01:20

get a handgun, most likely you'll never be able to own either of them.

Sava · February 5, 2003, 01:25

I won't argue with reliability... if I'm ever stuck in a jungle or desert environment where I don't have the luxuries of a barracks, then I might choose Russian arms. But, I've only shot .223 (5.56mm) rifles before. And I'm sorry, but I'm not a fan of the bullpup design.

Kramerman · February 5, 2003, 01:29

Quote:

Originally posted by Sava
I won't argue with reliability... if I'm ever stuck in a jungle or desert environment where I don't have the luxuries of a barracks, then I might choose Russian arms. But, I've only shot .223 (5.56mm) rifles before. And I'm sorry, but I'm not a fan of the bullpup design.

Ive never fired a bullpup configuration before, but from what i know, they have a many advantages... tho a few disadvantages as well.

Kramerman · February 5, 2003, 01:31

Quote:

Originally posted by Lancer
I've never used an AK so I'm curious. I'm not making a poll because I want to know why you hold your opinion.

For us real men, this question is rather irrelevent, come to think of it. For us, the M-14 is clearly the best

Zero · February 5, 2003, 01:31

such as casing smacking ur face if you shoot lefthanded.

Sava · February 5, 2003, 01:35

well that's what you get you freak of nature lefty!

Kramerman · February 5, 2003, 01:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Calc II
such as casing smacking ur face if you shoot lefthanded.

Yup, thats why its the best rifle only for us real men, i.e. Lefties are girls

Sava · February 5, 2003, 01:39

Lefties are girls

sig material!

Zero · February 5, 2003, 01:42

Im right handed (technically) but I shoot left handed (rifle).

Sava · February 5, 2003, 01:49

Sorry, no weaseling out for you.

Zero · February 5, 2003, 01:59

uhhhh... ok there...

Kramerman · February 5, 2003, 02:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Sava
Lefties are girls

sig material!

hmm... it could have a double meaning, no?
not that i am particularly fond of the Right or anything

Sava · February 5, 2003, 02:04

yeah I'm not very good at finding those hidden meanings...

I once had a picture of my orange tabby cat as my avatar with the signature "Fear the Orange!"... then orange was like, "WTF?"... hehe...

Pekka · February 5, 2003, 02:05

rk62 forever! Now that's a gun.. or at least the new models. Accurate, never jams, great, sexy, all that man really needs.

Kramerman · February 5, 2003, 02:17

Quote:

Originally posted by Sava
yeah I'm not very good at finding those hidden meanings...

I once had a picture of my orange tabby cat as my avatar with the signature "Fear the Orange!"... then orange was like, "WTF?"... hehe...

(my comment about double meanings wasnt directed at you, btw, just a general slam

)

Combat Ingrid · February 5, 2003, 02:39

AK74

Combat Ingrid · February 5, 2003, 02:46

AG90 is also cool and it hurts the shoulder much less than one would expect after seeing it in action

Sikander · February 5, 2003, 06:20

Quote:

Originally posted by Calc II
Im right handed (technically) but I shoot left handed (rifle).

I bet the right-handed guys you shoot don't have a chance. (Baseball joke)

Sikander · February 5, 2003, 06:53

I prefer the M-16, though both weapons have their advantages. The lighter weight of the M-16 and its ammo are an advantage. Although I'd rather have an AK for hand to hand combat, I'd rather have more ammo with an M-16 and avoid the hand to hand if at all possible. The greater range of the M-16 isn't all that likely of an advantage to me in combat (I could only hit targets at 300 meters 50% of the time at best), its accuracy advantage at all ranges is still handy. In adverse conditions the AK is more reliable, although later versions of the M-16 improved its reliability, the advantage still lies with the AK. The M-16 is easier to clean though. Both weapons have some problems with automatic fire, the AK kicks enough to take you off of the target more quickly, while the M-16's high rate of fire tears through your ammo in a hurry. So I give an edge to the M-16 overall. To be fair though, the M-16 is quite a bit younger than the AK, and on the whole the AK is a much more successful weapon.