Senate bill: WAR!!!

MJW · February 11, 2003, 19:52

Senate Bill: Enabeling the Persian campaign

Lets issue a Declaration of War against Persia.

Thud · February 11, 2003, 20:56

*Sigh* Beating a dead horse... Vote no!

Arnelos · February 11, 2003, 21:07

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Originally posted by Thud
*Sigh* Beating a dead horse... Vote no!

Burries the dead horse...

Digs it back up...

Beats it again...

Already voted no a while ago... there is nil to gain from a conflict with tiny little Persia... what are you people afraid of... that Persia is going to dig into their pockets and pull out 20 heavy armor divisions? This is a waste of time and resources...

Our military has better things to be preparing for...

ucicsboy · February 11, 2003, 21:12

I agree with Arnelos; there is little point in attacking a nation of two cities that poses no threat to us.

WaxTadpole · February 11, 2003, 22:30

Eegads...:::supplies bandaids and splints for the poor horsey:::

No point? Little to gain? I realize I'm a little new around here, but didn't these same Persians commit an act which meets the following description?

1. Willful betrayal of fidelity, confidence, or trust; perfidy.
2. The act or an instance of such betrayal.

That is Webster's definition of treachery. What is the penalty for an act of treachery against Apolytonia?

A. A shake of the head and a woeful "tsk, tsk, tsk" directed at the perpetrators of the act

or

B. The certainly that your ass will be a target of the Apoytonian boot of justice as long your sorry carcasses pollute the landscape of this planet?

Let us take this opportunity to make Hamadan an event that will stick in the world's collective mind until the end of time; there is no land so rich and no prize so valuable to be worth incurring Apolyton's wrath. To do so is simply to sign your own death warrant.

Hamadan is also strategically located; once we pump its culture, it can be used to prevent Greek and Aztec armies to freely move between them in the event of an alliance against us.

Less importantly, in the event of a war with either of these two powers, were we to ask for cities in exchange for peace, it makes the western Aztec or Northeastern Greek cities possible prizes, as they can be immediately linked to our great nation.

If Franklin Delano Roosevelt were Persian, he would say "We have nothing to fear but Fear itself. Fear itself, however, appears to be approaching from the southeast."

roadcage · February 11, 2003, 23:06

Folks, if you wanted to fight Persia, (and I did), 1360 was the time. At this point, it is very unlikely that we can reach Hamadan before the brits or the greeks. And that's the only city they have in 1380.

In 1360 Samaria plus Hamadan effectively completed the noose around lower Aztecia. Now Samaria has been razed and Hamadan would be an isolated city.

In 1360 it made sense. But not in 1380

Kloreep · February 11, 2003, 23:37

We already gave the Persians many boots back in the days of Chivalry; that's why they're so tiny now.

Not that I wouldn't mind finishing the job, and I voted yes last time - but, as Roadcage says, it's a little late.

Aro · February 11, 2003, 23:49

Persia? What are you talking about? There's no more Persia (well, Hamadan stills there, but not for long. The Greeks are close...).
roadcage is right, it's too late.

E_T · February 12, 2003, 01:01

so, go for the Greeks, or maybe the Brits.

But Persia, please...

We need to build up our Military, so that we can take them with no problem.

/me wants tanks, lots & lots of Tanks

E_T

ucicsboy · February 12, 2003, 02:28

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Originally posted by WaxTadpole
Let us take this opportunity to make Hamadan an event that will stick in the world's collective mind until the end of time; there is no land so rich and no prize so valuable to be worth incurring Apolyton's wrath. To do so is simply to sign your own death warrant.

I maintain that there is little point; if anything, the world would see our glorious nation as little more than a bully. Are we a nation willing to be seen as a bully, a nation willing to use its military might to smash a small, defenseless, about to be destroyed nation into the ground merely because we can? I think that we are better than that. Let the others destroy the Persians, let them be seen as bullies and aggressors. Apolyton should turn its focus to the future, towards building up our infrastructure and modernizing our military (for defensive purposes only, of course).

Aidun · February 12, 2003, 09:09

I get some feeling I voted wrongly, I voted yes, but when people begin talking about 'poor little Persia' I get feelings of mercy for them.

Back to business: right, you're a bit right it's unfair, like big US against Luxembourg, Liechtenstein etc. Let's take someone that is MORE of our size. The war won't be fair, but at least fairer then against Persia.

Aidun

GodKing · February 12, 2003, 14:40

Take out the greeks....... their land is nice and close and very usable.

Kloreep · February 12, 2003, 15:08

Yes, I suppose it might be a little bullying/vulturistic. But I think it's too late to keep that out of our rep... *cough cough* America *cough*

As for Greece... what has Alex done to us? Tokugawa, an the other hand, stabbed us in the back and changed sides in the middle of a war. Shaka also attacked dishonorably. Those should be our targets.

Arnelos · February 12, 2003, 15:51

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Originally posted by Kloreep
Yes, I suppose it might be a little bullying/vulturistic. But I think it's too late to keep that out of our rep... *cough cough* America *cough*

As for Greece... what has Alex done to us? Tokugawa, an the other hand, stabbed us in the back and changed sides in the middle of a war. Shaka also attacked dishonorably. Those should be our targets.

Tokugawa is also only nation which could even CONCEIVABLY cause a dint in our plan to win the space race (but a pretty distant one at that...).

Japan, more than any other nation, has shown its contempt for Apolytonia and is now the principle threat to Apolytonian hegemony and Apolytonian space-faring initiatives in the modern age.

All other nations are merely distractions.

UnOrthOdOx · February 12, 2003, 18:01

Shaka only attacked in self defense, as I explained in a Gazette somewhere. It was in direct response to a certain Foreing Affairs Ministers campaign where a certain candidate suggested we should improve relations with Zululand by landing and taking his gems. He subsequently lost that election, though, and peacefull relations were able to resume with Shaka.

Take out Japan, their color oppresses mine eyes while viewing the minimap.

Thud · February 12, 2003, 18:12

Note that I will most likely support a veto of any war as a waste of resources. If you don't like it, you still have time to run against me.

Perhaps against Japan, though. I strongly dislike them, and am also partial to naval operations.

UnOrthOdOx · February 12, 2003, 18:15

No we don't, elections are up. Besides, if the people voted to go to war, you would do it even if you opposed the poll in the forums.

ucicsboy · February 12, 2003, 18:40

I ask what the point of another war is. We have already attained dominance over this world, and we are powerful enough to maintain that dominance through the end of the game. Our resources and efforts must be focused on our infrastructure and modernizing our defensive military; to do otherwise would be sheer folly. Another war would only distract us from maintaining our dominance through economic and political means.

Spiffor · February 13, 2003, 06:43

There is absolutely no threat to our hegemony at the current state. Thanks to Roadcage's plan, we will build our spaceship as fast as the game makes it possible (with the 4 turns cap to discover new techs). A war would be a waste of resources and a waste of time.
We took about two months to complete the mere German campaing, do you imagine how much time will be engulfed for another war, with even more units on both sides ? We should finish the game already, rather than wasting 2 other months in a war which will bring naught to our greatness.

Aro · February 13, 2003, 07:03

roadcage propposed a plan to achieve a diplomatic victory, too. Faster.

Arnelos · February 13, 2003, 12:32

but a diplomatic victory is very much in doubt...

and the space race victory is just so much cooler and a more fitting tribute to all who have poured their time into this game.

To the stars!

Shiber · February 13, 2003, 12:39

I couldn't agree more.
The triumph of the scientists is much more glorious and honorable than that of the diplomats.

Spiffor · February 13, 2003, 13:39

Aidun · February 13, 2003, 13:47

I agree

Aidun

Aggie · February 13, 2003, 14:13

I think that whether to go for diplomacy or spaeship victory depends on the interest level of the people in this game. If the interest is still high the spaceship victory is ours, but if people are tired and want to start anew then the diplo is the way to go. either way I intend to be here until the end.
Aggie

Panag · February 13, 2003, 15:05

hi ,

we should wait a bit first , build our nation , ..... relax a bit , do some planning , .....

relax , sooner then later we shall be forced to act in selfdefense anyway , ......

have a nice day

Aro · February 13, 2003, 15:54

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Originally posted by Aggie
I think that whether to go for diplomacy or spaeship victory depends on the interest level of the people in this game. If the interest is still high the spaceship victory is ours, but if people are tired and want to start anew then the diplo is the way to go. either way I intend to be here until the end.
Aggie

I completely agree, Aggie. I think we can count around 30 active members, at the most, and not all of them interested in administrative jobs (and we need that, our Empire is huge and difficult to manage). In fact, we don't have any challenge... We already won this game. If this is really the case, we should go for a diplomacy victory.
IMHO, a war with Japan could give a "shine" to this game again (all that planning, logistics and discussions... This means fun!

).
Otherwise, we should finish this game ASAP (diplo way) and start a new one.

As Aggie, I intend to be here until the end, no matter what kind of victory.

lmtoops · February 13, 2003, 17:25

War with Japan sounds cool. Amphibious assault would be a change of pace.

Panag · February 13, 2003, 17:32

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Originally posted by lmtoops
War with Japan sounds cool. Amphibious assault would be a change of pace.

hi ,

yes it is , but we should wait until we have our own apoMC , ..... with support from a couple aircraft carriers etc , ..... we could even open a second front against the zulu for the gems , ......

but not now , we need to build our nation first (!)

have a nice day