February 13, 2003, 09:48
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Has Belgium gone mad?
Belgium thinks it can try Sharon and other Israelis for warcrimes
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Have they gone completely mad?
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February 13, 2003, 09:49
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The Guardian 
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February 13, 2003, 09:51
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Let's teach them a lesson.. I think I can call to my buddies, should take about 10 people  .
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February 13, 2003, 09:57
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Some new MKs(Members of the Knesset) offered a new "bill" according to which every Belgian parliament member who voted for this thingie will be arrested when visiting Israel and accused of something along the lines of subversion.
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February 13, 2003, 09:58
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Originally posted by Boddington's
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Do you have a point?
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February 13, 2003, 10:01
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I doubt it...
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February 13, 2003, 10:03
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Well it'd be like linking to a Daily Mail article.
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February 13, 2003, 10:06
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And the Guardian's political leanings have precisely what to do with the story?
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February 13, 2003, 10:07
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Now that's an excellent troll. 
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February 13, 2003, 10:08
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They bias it.
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February 13, 2003, 10:08
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Originally posted by Eli
Some new MKs(Members of the Knesset) offered a new "bill" according to which every Belgian parliament member who voted for this thingie will be arrested when visiting Israel and accused of something along the lines of subversion.
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Thats the direction I was thinking. It looks like a slippery slope to me.
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February 13, 2003, 10:09
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Anything short of Genghis Khan would count as biased to you...
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February 13, 2003, 10:09
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Damn unilateral Europeans ignoring international law! 
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February 13, 2003, 10:11
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February 13, 2003, 10:13
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has belgium ever been sane?
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February 13, 2003, 10:14
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That Guardian story actually has very little opinion or spin in it. It's a list of facts.
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February 13, 2003, 10:14
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The Guardian hates Israel, It loved Belgium because Belgium has got Brussels and the Guardian loves all things that eminate from Brussels.
Edit- I should have read the article, i have now and its not biased.
Even so I stand by my above comments 
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February 13, 2003, 10:29
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Re: Has Belgium gone mad?
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Originally posted by SpencerH
Belgium thinks it can try Sharon and other Israelis for warcrimes
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I don't see your point. Are you saying that Sharon has not committed any warcrimes?
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February 13, 2003, 10:34
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It's outrageous that a country dares trying to punish a war-criminal who leads another country ! 
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February 13, 2003, 10:35
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Yes, the whole world should tremble when the almighty US labels somebody a terrorist, but a person who orders tanks to drive through homes of civilians but happens to be a supporter of your governements foreign policies is to be left alone ... "Land of the free" my #ss !
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February 13, 2003, 10:36
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Originally posted by Spiffor
It's outrageous that a country dares trying to punish a war-criminal who leads another country !
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Especially when it is against international law!
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February 13, 2003, 10:36
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I'm saying that it's ludicrous for Belgium to unilaterally try anyone for war crimes. Whats next Trinidad and Tobago trying Bush senior for the Gulf war?
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February 13, 2003, 10:41
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More seriously, it indeed goes both ways. I wonder if there are people here who think that :
- Belgium is wrong to sue Sharon
- the US is right to bomb Iraq for Saddam removal (official pretext some people here believe)
Both are exactly the same thing : a country which wants to extend its values to other sovereign countries, and uses law or force to do so. The opposite would be not to judge how internal affairs are done by the neighbours.
However, the Belgian trial, like the American war, is completely hypocite and has political reasons. Belgium doesn't seem to be too eager to sue Putin despite the terrible crimes perpetrated in Chechnya, and the US doesn't seem too eager to punish a Mugabe-like despot.
Both cases are pretty similar IMHO, excet that the US will reach their objective, unlike Belgium, because they have bigger guns.
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February 13, 2003, 10:47
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February 13, 2003, 11:29
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And for some local publicity stunts...
The Princess Hotel in Eilat(one of the best Israeli hotels) announced that Belgian citizens are "not welcome" in the hotel.
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February 13, 2003, 11:33
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I wonder if they'd be so keen to turn Belgians away if a busload of them turned up with money burning gaping holes in their pockets. 
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February 13, 2003, 11:35
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Originally posted by Spiffor
Belgium doesn't seem to be too eager to sue Putin despite the terrible crimes perpetrated in Chechnya, and the US doesn't seem too eager to punish a Mugabe-like despot.
Both cases are pretty similar IMHO, excet that the US will reach their objective, unlike Belgium, because they have bigger guns.
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I disagree.
First, it is not Belgium who sue Sharon (or Castro, or Arafat). Belgium offers the possibility to victims to sue someone.
Why is Saddam not sued? Because nobody lodged complaint against him.
Second, the belgian tribunal is competent only when the international tribunal (la haye) is not. The first idea of this b. tribunal came when attrocities in former yugoslavia were discovered, before that international trib even exiat. When the IT finaly exist, the belgian one became 'useless'. The idea was kept and because not all countries accepted (signed, ratified...) the LaHaye tribunal, so it was decided to keep the belgian one as a 'last hope' for victims.
I don't know if russia recognize the international tribunal, but if so, potential 'victims' of Putin may sue him at LaHaye. And as I said Belgium has sued nobody until yet: neither Putin, nor Sharon. I'm not even sure that a state may sue someone?!?!?
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February 13, 2003, 11:36
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This should go down well in the vast belgian jewish society.... 
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February 13, 2003, 11:44
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And for some local publicity stunts...
The Princess Hotel in Eilat(one of the best Israeli hotels) announced that Belgian citizens are "not welcome" in the hotel.
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I may understand, but I find it sad.
I have a jewish friend who is afraid to go to israel as 'just a tourist', he says that if he go to Israel, it will be as a 'JEWISH' tourist. And he is very, very sad about that.
What if in Belgium some hotel or pub put a "Israel citizen are not welcome"...?
How would you call that?
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