Has Belgium gone mad?

[Spiffor]

Everybody would yell "antisemitism", and everybody would be right.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Especially when it is against international law!

Don't give me that crap DD. When did you start respecting international laws?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
When did you start respecting international laws?

When it makes for useful trolling material. In this case, it also has the added benefit of being true for the duration of Sharon's term of office.

[Arrian]

Why is Saddam not sued? Because nobody lodged complaint against him.

And lived.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

And for some local publicity stunts...

The Princess Hotel in Eilat(one of the best Israeli hotels) announced that Belgian citizens are "not welcome" in the hotel.

I would hope the Israeli government would come down HARD on that. Not kosher.

-Arrian

[Ozz]

This is so much crap

The question is:

Is/Was Sharon a Terrorist/Criminal, no excuses, no buts, no under the circumstances. Yes or No.

If it's - Yes, Belguim is right and is the most advanced
civilization on the planet.

If it's No, Then drop all this rightous terrorist, war criminal propaganda crap.

[Bereta_Eder]

OZZ=DL!

*Does the DL dance*




Belgium

[Ozz]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

When it makes for useful trolling material. In this case, it also has the added benefit of being true for the duration of Sharon's term of office.

It stuff like this that gives lawyers a bad name.

Laws than prevent justice ie: dipomatic immunity are
crap and won't bear up under public examination.

[Ozz]

Originally posted by paiktis22
OZZ=DL!

*Does the DL dance*




Belgium

Belgium

Paticakes:
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Arse still hurtin' from yer butt kickin' I give ya eh?

[Giovanni Wine]

LoL

Belgium

Saluti

[Pekka]

Ozz, not if it's digital! Or is 88:88:88 official time in some part of our planet?

Yeah! In your face! Total submission 10-0 woohoo!

[Dry]

Originally posted by Arrian


And lived.

-Arrian

of course.

[teasing]
How should I answer that?
- sarcastic: What in your country, only the victim itself may sue? Not the parents? Geez, I start understanding why there is so many blood crime in the US: kill your victim and you're safe.
- teacher: Well, you know, there is always the possibility for a parent, a related, a group, to sue 'in the name of'.
- naive: there is always a survivor.
- arrogant: Use your brain and come with a better argument.
[/teasing]

No, seriously: I understand what you mean. There is very little hope to get him, so nobody will even try to sue him, while with democracy's leaders and old dictators there is hope, so they will be sued more often than others.
Yes, you are right. That is the bad side of the coin. But blame it the victims, not the tribunal or Belgium... or do you mean we should also involve the country (Belgium) and army to get the bad guys?

[TheBirdMan]

Originally posted by Dry

I disagree.
First, it is not Belgium who sue Sharon (or Castro, or Arafat). Belgium offers the possibility to victims to sue someone.
Why is Saddam not sued? Because nobody lodged complaint against him.
Second, the belgian tribunal is competent only when the international tribunal (la haye) is not. The first idea of this b. tribunal came when attrocities in former yugoslavia were discovered, before that international trib even exiat. When the IT finaly exist, the belgian one became 'useless'. The idea was kept and because not all countries accepted (signed, ratified...) the LaHaye tribunal, so it was decided to keep the belgian one as a 'last hope' for victims.
I don't know if russia recognize the international tribunal, but if so, potential 'victims' of Putin may sue him at LaHaye. And as I said Belgium has sued nobody until yet: neither Putin, nor Sharon. I'm not even sure that a state may sue someone?!?!?

Keep going Belgium. The path you have choosen deserves support from other nations - an example to follow.

I know no government in Denmark would have had the guts to make a similar law or even support Belgium in public - their masters wouldn't like it.

[Spiffor]

I love it when so many people say "go Belgium ! It is good to sue Sharon ! But boo the US ! It is bad to attack Saddam !"
I love it as well when people say the exact opposite

IMHO, this Belgian law is stupid. I can't wait to see the International Court of Justice taking over, to become a legitimate source of international judgement. Until then, it is Israel which has to deal with his war-criminal Leader.

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Pekka
Ozz, not if it's digital! Or is 88:88:88 official time in some part of our planet?

Yeah! In your face! Total submission 10-0 woohoo!

You want some?

Don't know anything about computers do you?

Stopped has a valid time.
88:88:88 is unset, uninitialized,
Processing not begun, Kind of like yer brain before you
wrote that last post

And to stay on topic, is Begin still alive?, they could
convict him for sure.

[HershOstropoler]

"Damn unilateral Europeans ignoring international law!"

Au contraire. The court has upheld functional immunity as identified by the ICJ and asserted jurisdiction in line with international law.

Had Israel prosecuted Sharon or at least done a serious criminal investigation, it would be ne bis in idem and case closed.

Btw, what's with the Netanyahu quote in the article: ""This decision is a scandal and it legitimises terror and helps those who fight terrorism"

Misquote or slip of the tongue?

[Pekka]

Ozz, no, I owned j00r 4zz and you know it

[Datajack Franit]

Sharon slaughtering people for the last 20 years
Belgium not liking that


Very funny

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Pekka
Ozz, no, I owned j00r 4zz and you know it

Oh Carp, An "Elite" That just confirms you know
nothing about computers.

Lets not ruin a perfectly good thread with this asnine
nonsense, start a new thread "Jump on Ozz" or something, bad enough I got paticakes threadstalking
me again, now it seems I'm attracting a mob of morons.

Damn it tough being so... popular.

[Pekka]

Listen Ozz, if you want to be old school with your clocks that are right twice everyday, go ahead. If you want to brag about your computer knowledge, go ahead. But we all know I got you, and you're just denying it like a little kid. That's cool though.. I won't keep ruining your thread anymore .

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Pekka
Listen Ozz, if you want to be old school with your clocks that are right twice everyday, go ahead. If you want to brag about your computer knowledge, go ahead. But we all know I got you, and you're just denying it like a little kid. That's cool though.. I won't keep ruining your thread anymore .

As you chickened out of starting a thread, I started one.

Oh It's not my thread, Einstein

[Pekka]

You started one.. where? I didn't start one, because it would be a complete waste of time. You are like the guy who got beaten and when the winner walked out, the loser yelled 'come back, round 2!' when he knew he'd be safe.. just to save some of his dignity..
And the reason I don't want to stalk this thread anymore is because I don't want to get banned. I win, you lose, get over it

[Ozz]

It's gone. It was
"Is a stopped clock right twice a day"

There were 3 or 4 posts in it.

You get scared and call the cops?

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler

Had Israel prosecuted Sharon or at least done a serious criminal investigation, it would be ne bis in idem and case closed.

So what you're saying is that these complaintants cant take action in Israel? If they have a real case against Sharon (and I'm not saying they do or dont) thats the place to try it not in Belgium.

Btw, what's with the Netanyahu quote in the article: ""This decision is a scandal and it legitimises terror and helps those who fight terrorism"

Misquote or slip of the tongue?

No misquote or slip. Translation= Sharon was acting against terrorists. If you attack his actions against terrorists you are supporting terrorists.

[SpencerH]

Children, if you want to throw mud at each other please do so outside.

[Bereta_Eder]

DL OZZ OWNED again

/me does the DL dance

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Pekka
because I don't want to get banned.

No, you don't want to lose your postcount DL
Oh I PMed a mod over the missing thread
Should prove interesting.

See you in
"Is a stopped clock right twice a day"

eventually

[Ozz]

Originally posted by paiktis22
DL OZZ OWNED again

Oh Cowchips, why don't you show up too.

Under your real Login.

[Panag]

Jerusalem, 12 February 2003

FM Netanyahu Decision of the Supreme Court of Belgium
(Communicated by the Foreign Minister's Bureau)

Following today's (Feb 12) ruling of the Supreme Court of Belgium,
Foreign Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that he has decided to
recall the Ambassador of Israel in Brussels, Mr. Yehudi Kenar, to
Israel for consultations. In addition, Foreign Minister Netanyahu
will summon the Ambassador of Belgium to the Foreign Ministry for
urgent discussions tomorrow (Feb 13).

Mr. Netanyahu stated that the decision of the Belgian Court is
scandalous, and that it legitimates terror and harms those who fight
terrorism. "It is all topsy-turvy - those that fight terrorism have
become the accused and the terrorists have become victors."

The Foreign Minister added that Belgium is not only hurting Israel
but the entire free world, and that Israel will have a very stern
response.




**Israel Recalls Ambassador to Belgium after Sharon Verdicts

Minister of Foreign Affairs Benjamin Netanyahu recalled Israel's ambassador to Belgium, Yehudi Kinar on Wednesday after the Belgian Supreme Court ruled that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Defense Ministry Director-General Amos Yaron (commander of the Israel Defense Forces in Beirut in 1982) could be prosecuted for their alleged involvement in the Sabra and Chatila massacres in 1982 in Beirut, HA'ARETZ reported. The court ruled that Sharon could only be tried after he ceases to be prime minister, and no longer has diplomatic immunity. Netanyahu said the Belgian court had made "a scandalous decision, which legitimizes terror and harms those who fight it."
"This turns the tables - when those who fight terror turn into the accused and the terrorists are victorious. Belgium is helping to harm not only Israel, but also the entire free world, and Israel will respond with severity to this," Netanyahu added.
In addition to recalling the ambassador, Netanyahu urgently summoned Belgium's ambassador to Israel for a meeting today at which Netanyahu will deliver an Israeli reaction to the court decision. It was not yet known how long Kinar would be kept at home. Government sources expressed concern regarding the possibility of future prosecutions against Israelis in Belgium, but they also noted that Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat was also in line for prosecution in Belgium, in the wake of complaints filed against him by Israeli terror victims.
Meanwhile, the Belgian Government has recently been fashioning a new legislation that would severely limit the ability of its legal system to prosecute suspected international war criminals with no connection to Belgium.

Jerusalem, 13 February 2003

PRESIDENT MOSHE KATSAV SENDS LETTER TO KING OF BELGIUM
(Communicated by President's Spokesman)

The President of the State of Israel, Moshe Katsav today (Thursday)
February 13, 2003, sent a severe letter to the King of Belgium, in
which he expressed his chagrin at Belgium's High Court's decision to
try Israelis in their courts.

President Katsav totally rejects Belgium's moral right to bring
Israeli leaders and IDF officers to trial.

The president emphasized that Israeli leaders and IDF officers
operate according to international norms, the Israeli law, their
conscience and basic human morality, and that no-one has the right to
doubt the ethical standards Israel holds itself to, and that those
who accuse us would do well to reflect on their past actions.

hi ,

in the hallways of the belgian justice palace yesterday some people skoke on going and getting Arik ones he is no longer PM of Israel , ..... well they can try , .... we shall be waiting , .....

oh yeah ; the want to prosecute any Jew who did his army service in Israel and was involved in the war in Libanon , ......

like our president wrote at the end of his letter , ........

have a nice day , no nice day for belgians who are against Jews , kopts , orthodox catholics and Israeli's !

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by SpencerH
No misquote or slip. Translation= Sharon was acting against terrorists. If you attack his actions against terrorists you are supporting terrorists.

I think he was referring to the second part of the quote.

helps those who fight terrorism