Farewell Turnchat (1395 ad), Tuesday, 14:00 GMT

Aro · February 16, 2003, 22:14

Next Turnchat:

I'll run the Farewell Turnchat Tuesday, 14:00 GMT

CANCELLED
(it's against the CoL: my term is already ended)

This is the orders thread. Please, only post replies if you are a member of the government, RA, an executive adviser, a deputy, or a member of the new government (Thud and Arnelos ).

Prez Aro
VP Aggie (acting SMC)
SMC Meshelic (absent, RL issues)
DM joncnunn
FAM Shiber

Governors:
Classical Apolyton: roadcage
Upper Apolyton: Kloreep
Old France: dejon
Old Germany: Spiffor
Old Persia: Aidun
Uber Isle: Panzer32

Executive advisors:
Legal Advisor: adaMada
Science Advisor: ManicStarseed

roadcage · February 16, 2003, 22:26

Classical Apolyton City Planning
Basis 1395 save

Opening statement:
Now that the majority of worker reception festivals are history, Classical Apolytonia is proud to declare that nationality of the populace is much more diverse. We look forward to producing beakers, lytons, and shields for the good of the nation. A few choice coastal tiles remain available. Workers needing tiles are advised to apply at the DM's office.

Of interest to Other regions:
Other Governors are advised to plan for a future Air Force. Specifically where to put Airports for future military reasons. Rheims identified in this Region. Other candidates for airports include:
Chiquita - threatens Argos, Delphi, Mycenae, Washington.
Del Monte - threatens Mycenae, Boston
San Cortez - threatens Chicago, Washington, Argos.
Hannover - threatens Boston, Konigsberg.
Heidelburg - threatens Malinaco.
Bremen - threatens Tula.
Nuremberg - threatens Brighton, Newcastle.
Heroe's Summit - threatens Norwich.
Antioch - threatens Coventry.
Arbela - threatens Hastings, Oxford.
Port of Where It's At - threatens Knossos.
Roadivostok - threatens Ravenna, Tblisi.
Syracuse - threatens Tonawanda.
Dijon - threatens Sevastopol.
Some city on Uber - need an Air Base on the island.
Needles to say, not all of the candidates will be required.

Turn Summary:

Turn 0 (1395)
execute tile swaps and queue changes per city details

Tween 0/1
Banana HQ grows naturally
Opiadom completes Factory
Chartres completes University
Rheims completes Factory

Turn 1 (1400)
Check Banana HQ wf should be 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,13,14,17,18,19,20

Tween 1/2
Gotham completes Tank

Turn 2 (1405)
nothing

Tween 2/3
Port Rouge completes Factory
Apolyton completes Hospital
Tassagrad completes Battleship
Chartres completes Colosseum

Turn 3 (1410)
nothing

Tween 3/4
Apolyton grows naturally
Gotham completes Tank
Timeline completes Battlefield Medicine

Turn 4 (1415)
Check Apolyton wf should be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,11,13,15,16.
Evaluate Apolyton happiness to determine if Colosseum is required. Alternate is explorer shield export.

Tween 4/5
Termina completes University, Begin naval unit of SMC's choosing
Opiadom completes University
Chartres (if selected by SMC) Destroyer, alternative is Carrier next turn
Rheims completes University

turn 5 (1420)
nothing

Tween 5/6
Gotham completes Tank
Chartres (if selected by SMC) Carrier, alternative is Destroyer previous turn

City Detail:

Port Rouge - maintain wf as 1,2,4,6,7,8,9,10,14,18,19,20. Completing Factory in 3. Next is University in 5 (after Factory effect) which is beyond the turnchat horizon. Drop Bank and Colosseum from queue.

Termina - maintain WF as 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12,13,14,18,19,20 Completing University in 5 turns which is at the turnchat horizon.

Apolyton - maintain WF as 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,13,15,16. Making Hospital in 2. Next is Colosseum in 6 which is beyond the turnchat horizon. City grows naturally in 3. Utilize tile 11. Evaluate City after growth to determine if Coloseum is necessary. If not,change the build. Apoly is 22 net shields. Nothing looks good now. Consider Swordsman. 1 turn in rush for 32 Lytons and change to Infantry in 3 more turns. Once Mech Inf is available, Apoly can be set to Mech Inf in 5 spot on!

Tassagrad - maintain WF as 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,14,15,16,18,20 Making Battleship in 2. Keep city on perpetual Battleship in 4. City is 52 shields net which is effecient at 200 cost battleships in 4.There are 3 available coastal tiles for future Worker reception. An additional coastal tile (#10) will be covered by natural growth of BHQ.

Banana HQ - maintain wf as 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,13,17,18,19,20. Making University in 7 which is beyond the turnchat horizon. Grows naturally in 1. Utilize tile 14.Drop Colosseum and Wealth from queue. City is 32 shields net which is not very good. After 1 turn into a build switch to Longbow and rush for 32 Lytons, then switch to tank in 2 more turns.

Opiadom - Making Factory in 1. Next in queue is University in 4 (after Factory effect) which is at the turnchat horizon. There are ZERO open tiles so wf changes are not possible. Add Tank to the build queue following Univ. City will be 54 shields net after factory effect which is a good match for perpetual tanks in 2.

Gotham - Making Tank in 2 and every 2 turns thereafter. There are ZERO open tiles so no wf changes are possible. City is 50 shields net which is spot on for Tank in 2.

Chartres - WF is all except 17. Making University in 1. Colosseum in 2 is next. City is 62 shields net. Add Naval unit of SMC choosing to queue. Consider Destroyer in 2 or Carrier in 3 either of which is shield efficient for this city. Eventually this city will be doing MA's in 2 very effeciently.

Rheims - maintain wf as 2,4,5,6,8,9,10,13,14,15,16,20. Making Factory in 1 and then University in 4 (after Factory effect) which is at the turnchat horizon. City will be 54 shields net after factory effect which is good fit for Tank in 2 or Bomber in 2. Add Airport in 3 to queue. Rheims is good location for Airport rebasing site if and when there is a Greek Salient campaign. After airport, do perpetual Tank or Bomber depending on outlook.

Timeline - Making Battlefield Medicine in 4. Add Palace as shield depository for Pentagon to queue. Pentagon will appear after Ferropolis completes 2nd Army shell which is beyond the turnchat horizon. City is 80 shields net which is very difficult to use effeciently now that Cavalry has dropped from the build list. We could do a few Arty or Fighters but not many.

Respectfully submitted
Ssgt roadcage (retired)

Hot Mustard · February 17, 2003, 00:23

Changes from current Q, WF are in red

Rush Requests

Arcadia (1395) - Hospital for 412L

Brundisium (1395) - Cathedral for 256L
Brundisium (1405) - Library for 316L

Syracuse (1400) - Aqueduct for 388L

Roadivostok (1400) - Courthouse for 316L

Consider Hospital rushes in Port of Where Its At, Los Alamos, and Dijon once they have at least one shield.

1395 AB

Macross City (18)
Q - University(1), Tank
WF - 1,2,3,5,7,8,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17 (All tiles are worked)

Here It Is (18)
Q - Tank(2)
WF - 1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9,10,12,13,14,17,18,19,20

Jerusalem (12)
Q - Hospital(1), Colosseum, University, Bank
WF - 1,2,3,6,7,8,10,16,17,18,19,20

Lhasa (10)
Q - Factory(4), University, Bank
WF - 1,2,4,6,7,8,9,16,17,18

Ferropolis (18)
Q - Military Academy(1), Wealth (Army placeholder)
WF - 2,3,4,5,6,7,10,11,12,13,17,19

Port of Where Its At (10)
Q - Library(1), Hospital, Harbor, Colosseum, Factory
WF - 1,2,3,4,5,8,9,13,14,20

Los Alamos (11)
Q - Harbor(2), Hospital, Colosseum
WF - 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,10,14,15,20

Arcadia (12)
Q - Hospital(5), Colosseum, Factory
WF - 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,15,16,17,19,20

Dijon (9)
Q - Marketplace(1), Hospital, Colosseum
WF - 1,2,5,6,7,8,15,16,20

Hole In The Wall (10)
Q - Hospital(18), Colosseum
WF - 3,4,5,6,9,10,11,12,13,15

Brundisium (6)
Q - Cathedral(10), Library, Marketplace, Harbour
WF - 2,3,4,6,11,18

Syracuse (6)
Q - Aqueduct(34), Library, Police Station, Factory
WF - 2,3,4,5,6,7

Roadivostok (2)
Q - Courthouse(80), Aqueduct, Marketplace, Police Station, Factory
WF - 8,18

1400 AB

Ferropolis (18)
Q - Army

Roadivostok grows (3)
WF - 1, 8,18

1405 AB

Macross City grows (19)
All Tiles are worked - Add Tax Collector

Port of Where Its At grows (11)
WF - 1,2,3,4,5,8,9,10,13,14,20

Syracuse grows (7)
WF - 2,3,4,5,6,7,17

Hole In The Wall grows (11)
WF - 3,4,5,6,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

Dijon grows (10)
WF - 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,15,16,20

1410 AB

No Changes

1415 AB

Here It Is grows (19)
WF - 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,17,18,19,20

Port of Where Its At grows (12)
WF - 1,2,3,4,5,8,9,10,11,13,14,20

Los Alamos grows (12)
WF - 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,14,15,20

Brundisium grows (7)
WF - 2,3,4,6,7,11,18

Aro · February 17, 2003, 09:04

To make it easy, the basis save:

Aro · February 17, 2003, 13:20

The FAM orders:

Quote:

Originally posted by Shiber
Money - GOOD!

Turn 0 (1395 AD, beginning of turnchat)
- Sell Spices to Greece for 18 gpt (total: 360 gold, they can't afford to pay any more).
- Sell Steel to Babylon for 22 gpt and 36 gold (total: 476 gold, they can't afford to pay any more).
- Sell Motorized Transportation to India for 200 gpt and 91 gold (total: 4,091, they can't afford to pay any more).

Turn 3
- Our Rubber for 26 gpt deal with England ends. Attempt to renew Rubber for gpt deal with England. Attempt to maximize profit, but don't settle for less than 500 gold total (if they can't afford it, then they can't afford to have Rubber. Mwhahahaha!!).

Turn 4
- Attempt to renew Dyes for Ivory deal with Greece. If they are willing to continue this deal, or even throw some gold in as well, take it of course. Otherwise, if they demand more, see if we can work out some deal where we give them a tech in exchange for money and ivory. However, if they won't be able to afford paying 500 gold (in gold, gpt or mixed) or more for our tech, pay them in gpt (Dyes + x gpt for their Ivory). I will most likely be able to participate in this turnchat, but I leave these orders just in case.

General Orders
- Check for tech deals every turn. Sell any tech (preferably the oldest and cheapest one, if we have a choice) to any civ if they are willing to pay 700 gold (in cash, gpt or mixed) or more.
- If something unexpected turns up and I am unable to participate in this turnchat, any or all of the above orders may be changed, should they become harmful or inappropriate. I recommend that the present cabinet be polled on any changes to my orders before they are made.

Any questions?

Kloreep · February 17, 2003, 14:49

Upper Apolyton
Turn 0 - 1395
Gaia: Add Tank to end of queue (Colosseum(2)-Bank-Tank)
Ubergorsk: WF to 1-2-3-5-6-7-8-9-11-13-17-18-19. Change queue to Bank(2)-Tank-Tank
Oak Ridge: Change queue to Worker(1)-Worker-Worker-Worker-Worker
Seeberg: Change queue to Bank(4)-Tank
Del Monte: Change queue to University(1)-Colosseum-Tank-Tank
San Cortes: Add 2 Infantry to end of queue (Bank(4)-Infantry-Infantry)

Turn 1 - 1400
Geofront: Move workers on 18 and 19 to 1 and 3 (WF to 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-11-12-13-14-15-17-20)
Oak Ridge: First Oak Ridge worker built; change WF to 1-2-3-4-5-6-10-11-14-16-17 (do this turn's Geofront WF changes before Oak Ridge, so that all of these tiles are available for Oak Ridge)

Turn 2 - 1405
Seeberg: Pop Growth. WF to all tiles except 11
Napoleton: Hospital completes. WF to 4-5-6-7-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-20

Turn 3 - 1410
No orders.

Turn 4 - 1415
Napoleton: Pop growth. WF to 3-4-5-6-7-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-20

Turn 5 - 1420
No orders.

Togas · February 17, 2003, 15:39

I'm somewhat concerned. The 18th is when the new President & cabinet begin their jobs. You may want to move the last chat forward to today or else I'm going to have to go wake up the Court and get ready for another interesting casethread.

--Togas

Aro · February 17, 2003, 16:23

A dumb question: what if I start the chat today, hmmm, about 22:00 GMT? After 2 hours, should I end the chat?

Panag · February 17, 2003, 16:47

Quote:

Originally posted by Togas
I'm somewhat concerned. The 18th is when the new President & cabinet begin their jobs. You may want to move the last chat forward to today or else I'm going to have to go wake up the Court and get ready for another interesting casethread.

--Togas

hi ,

its a farewell chat , .... and let he who make a complaint about it burn in the eternal banana fire , .....

the chat could be done on the 18th without a problem , ... what is one day , .....

and most people are expecting one for tuesday , not for today , .....

just two banana dollars , ....

oh yeah , its not intended to break the post rules but its important , ....

have a nice day

Panzer32 · February 17, 2003, 16:47

Uber Isle placeholder

I might not get to the orders (especially if it is held today)
If that is the case,
just use the previous set of orders, and consult the DM if the turn date exceeds that which I have orders for.

Aro · February 17, 2003, 16:59

I agree with panag. If I'm not allowed to run a chat tomorrow, itmakes no sense be in a hurry and try to run it today, with incomplete orders, just to make me happy.

If this is the case, I'll decline of my intent. No harm, because the DM, the governors and the FAM are in the new government. No waste of orders, at all...

But... In our next demo game, I'll fight for a more flexible CoL. Sometimes seems that we confuse Democracy and Bureaucracy.

Panag · February 17, 2003, 17:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Aro
I agree with panag. If I'm not allowed to run a chat tomorrow, itmakes no sense be in a hurry and try to run it today, with incomplete orders, just to make me happy.

If this is the case, I'll decline of my intent. No harm, because the DM, the governors and the FAM are in the new government. No waste of orders, at all...

But... In our next demo game, I'll fight for a more flexible CoL. Sometimes seems that we confuse Democracy and Bureaucracy.

hi ,

hang on here , was it not tradition that the first chat of the new gov is played by the old gov , .....

indeed there is no need to play now if there are no orders , ....

there could be chat to talk about other stuff , ....

have a nice day

Aro · February 17, 2003, 17:21

My last turnchat is cancelled.

I don't see how we can make it today, and Thud will be the Prez tomorrow. I may not like the law, but it's the law...

So...

Good luck, Thud, Aidun, Arnelos and Shiber! You guys will run our beloved Country to the stars or to the UN, whatever...

And I know how good you are doing this job!

Good luck, Mr. President Thud.

.. And my farewell speech (

):

I'm honored that you guys have trusted me, and I'm very proud to be part of our comunity. Thank you all, folks, for your help and support! You are a great bunch of brothers!

Panag · February 17, 2003, 17:29

Quote:

Originally posted by Aro
My last turnchat is cancelled.

I don't see how we can make it today, and Thud will be the Prez tomorrow. I may not like the law, but it's the law...

So...

Good luck, Thud, Aidun, Arnelos and Shiber! You guys will run our beloved Country to the stars or to the UN, whatever...

And I know how good you are doing this job!

Good luck, Mr. President Thud.

.. And my farewell speech (

):

I'm honored that you guys have trusted me, and I'm very proud to be part of our comunity. Thank you all, folks, for your help and support! You are a great bunch of brothers!

hi ,

a Q , how far could you play with the orders you have , .....?

have a nice day

Aggie · February 17, 2003, 19:42

Aro, please reconsider the decision to cancel the chat. It is long standing practice that the pres gets a "victory lap". You deserve it and nobody will mind about the technicality of the chat being on the 1st day of the new admin. For example my last chat started ended after my term was over. Regardless let me congratulate you on an excellent term.
Aggie

Aro · February 17, 2003, 20:39

Aggie, those technicalities can delay the game, or make it a little boring. Thud don't mind if I play a last turnchat tomorrow, Arnelos don't mind, Shiber don't mind and Aidun is a governor already (he was the acting DM in the last chat

), they were all very nice about this. They are gentlemen.

But I don't want to disrespect the CoL. I don't like the Col so much, it's a little restrictive, IMHO. I'm not blaming the guys who made it; it's very, very difficult to make rules for both aspects: the Democracy and the Game itself.
This could be useful to write the CoL of the next game.

Side note: could be worst. In the CFC demo game, Chieftess is in trouble because a missed queue or something like that...

Anyway, thank you all, Senators, Justices and members of the Government, by all the fun.

And Aggie, thank you, friend.

Panag · February 17, 2003, 20:56

Quote:

Originally posted by Aro
Aggie, those technicalities can delay the game, or make it a little boring. Thud don't mind if I play a last turnchat tomorrow, Arnelos don't mind, Shiber don't mind and Aidun is a governor already (he was the acting DM in the last chat

), they were all very nice about this. They are gentlemen.

But I don't want to disrespect the CoL. I don't like the Col so much, it's a little restrictive, IMHO. I'm not blaming the guys who made it; it's very, very difficult to make rules for both aspects: the Democracy and the Game itself.
This could be useful to write the CoL of the next game.

Side note: could be worst. In the CFC demo game, Chieftess is in trouble because a missed queue or something like that...

Anyway, thank you all, Senators, Justices and members of the Government, by all the fun.

And Aggie, thank you, friend.

hi ,

please give us one more oppurtunity to see the old gov in action , ........

have a nice day

Aro · February 17, 2003, 21:10

If the court give me the authorization (not likely, the CoL is very clear about the dates), I'll run the chat.

Otherwise, I can't.

Panag, those smilies are great!

Aro · February 18, 2003, 07:50

This ends the 8th term. Thanks to all!
I'm detopping this.

Panag · February 18, 2003, 07:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Aro
If the court give me the authorization (not likely, the CoL is very clear about the dates), I'll run the chat.

Otherwise, I can't.

Panag, those smilies are great!

hi ,

, .....

panag things behold a small miracle

panag contacts the military , they say fine , so does the min of interior , .....

you should be able to do it , as a tribute to where you have taken us , ..... no later then the 19th , .....

otherwise , .... the word coup d'etat shall get a new meaning , ........

have a nice day

panag goes to training ;

Aro · February 18, 2003, 07:58

panag, you are always surprising me!

Thanks a lot, and have a nice day.

Panag · February 18, 2003, 08:00

Quote:

Originally posted by Aro
panag, you are always surprising me!

Thanks a lot, and have a nice day.

hi ,

, ..... tecnically you are no longer prez , right , .....

well you could always post a small poll , .......

have a nice day

panag holding the flag up with some others >

roadcage · February 18, 2003, 16:33

There are orders in this thread that will be needed by somebody at some chat someday. Could our new administration see that they are captured some way or another?

joncnunn · February 18, 2003, 16:35

Term 8 Regional Governors that are continuing on to term 9 can just copy their orders from this thread into the new thread.

Aidun · February 18, 2003, 20:35

Apolytonians, Please help me and become Regional Governor of any province you like. PM me or post in the Domestic Ministry thread.

Thanks in advance,

Aidun

Arnelos · February 18, 2003, 20:57

Quote:

Originally posted by roadcage
There are orders in this thread that will be needed by somebody at some chat someday. Could our new administration see that they are captured some way or another?

Will do.

We can remind Thud to link to it with our first turnchat if he forgets (or anyone can just post a link to this thread in the turnchat orders thread).

Aro · February 19, 2003, 00:14

Arnelos and roadcage, you're right, guys. I will top this thread again (and the FAM office thread) until the transference of the ZpellZ, Thud could find it useful.