Alecrast announces peaceful annexation of former Sheepsta islands

[Mr. President]

The rules may not be written down like in NES's, Sheep, but that doesn't mean you don't have to play the game . . .

[Archaic]

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A message from His Majesty the Lord-Captain Archaic of Flaim, Elected Monarch of Alecrast to all peoples of Apolyton.

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My message tonight is to all people of Apolyton, but particulary towards the peoples of Alecrast, and of North and South Sheepsta, as well as our close friends the Bulbasaur's of the BMGf region. I come before you to refute the statements made earlier today by the unnamed self-appointed Chairman of the so-called "United Socialist States of New Sheepsta", whom our media has taken to calling "Ew Bastard".

A slideshow of both still images and short video clips replaces the image of the Monarch, with him narrating the images as the come up

In his own words, "Ew Bastard" makes the claim that "The people of Sheepsta have started resisiting the foreign controlled puppet governments of the 'protectorates' of the occupied region." As you can see, this is quite far from the truth.
Firstly, the only people who seem to be "resisting" are the USSNS paramilitary forces, who have participated in a number of terrorist actions, the results of which.....I'll can how you only once the adults have had time to ferry their children out of the room. Anyone who doesn't feel their stomachs are up to it, I suggest you get out of the room now. Indeed, I've survived nuclear holocost not once, but twice within 8 years, and even I am now suffering nightmares from these images still. Are you all prepared? I hope so. Here we go in 5.....4......3........2......1

Horrifying images of the results of USSNS acts of terrorism, beginning with the car bomb attacks, and progressing towards images of even greater crimes against humanity, ending with the security video from a North Sheepstan subway station as a USSNS agent releases a deadly airborne nerve agent

My apologies all for having to show you those images, but the truth must be known.

To continue, secondly, both North and South Sheepsta have free and democratic elections at all three levels, local, state, and national, supervised by minders from the UN and other nations of Apolyton, such as Centralis, to assure that there is no tampering or influencing of votes by either Alecrast or Bulbagarden. The "State" elections are, in truth, elections for the parliments of North and South Sheepsta respectivly. The "National" elections are elections to the national parliments of Alecrast and Bulbagarden respectivly, and there are quite a number of representatives from these territories in both the lower and upper houses, including in Alecrast two members of the Council of 15, His Lordship the Knight-Protector of North Sheepsta, Fernando Bou of the Athar political faction, and Erik Bax, CEO of Nukes4U, of the Dustmen faction. The Athar, it should be noted, are comprised almost to a man of ethnic Sheepstans, born and raised in Sheepsta itself, and the party as a whole has as its corperate sponsor the the North Sheepstan Citizens Council, an independant body formed by much of the former USS government representatives. The Athar are the current ruling party of both the North and South Sheepstan state governments.

Thirdly, Ew Bastard" claims that his goal is "the complete and utter liberation of the Sheepstan people from the Anarchial regimes of the mnuderous government of Alecrast and Bulbagraden"
Ignoring the fact that "Ew Bastard" obviously needs lessons in spelling, pronounciation and grammar, this claim is as far from the truth as they come, ans we submit as proof the UN's own reports on the government, business and society of Alecrast, Bulbagarden, and of the Protectorates.
Alecrast
Bulbagarden
North Sheepsta
South Sheepsta
I ask you, are these "Anarchial regimes" or "mnuderous government"s? I see only one murderous government here, and that is the USSNS,

To continue, in his own words, "Ew Bastard" next claims "TO much surpiese of Alecrast and Bulbagarden many of their supposed supporters in the North and South Occupation zone paramilitries have started to activley support the true government of Sheepsta and have turned their wepons on their oppressors. "
Ignoring again the fact that "Ew Bastard" obviously needs lessons in spelling, pronounciation and grammar, this claim is vastly overstated. This "many" he speaks of are mere thousands in a population of millions, thousands who, in all likelyhood, were supporters of Cardinal Ew who had gone underground since the moving in of Alecrast and Bulbagarden military forces in support the Sheepstan Brownshirts, and since Cardinal Ew's public execution, for which the honourable former Deputy Prime Minister of the United States of Sheepsta pulled the lever.

"Ew Bastard" claims that Alecrast and Bulbagarden are "imperialist regimes that seek to control all of Sheepsta". Again, this could not be further from the truth. As has been stated and demonstrated many times, both Alecrast and Bulbagarden are more than willing to grant the territories independance if they so wish it. As of yet, they have not expressed any desire for such a thing, excepting only the paramilitary forces of the USSNS, who as you remember are the remaints of the forces of Cardinal Ew, who took control over the remaining forces of the "Holy Empire of Sheepsta" after they lose the civil war to the liberating forces of the "United States of Sheepsta", and its coalition of allies.

"Ew Bastard" calls us "oppressors". We again submit the UN reports on the nations as evidence, and ask if these are truly the acts of oppressors.

"Ew Bastard" calls for "the world to break ties with the Alecrastians and the Bulbagardians for their economic greed", and claims that our "only reason to be in Sheepsta is its abundaunt naturall reserves of oil, coal, bauxite and other minerals. There only aim to benefit from the reconstruction of the damage the inflicted on our once proud land." Again, he continues his campaign of lies. While it is true that many firms of Alecrast and Bulbagarden have benifited greatly from the opening up of the markets of Sheepsta, this is true of many nations, not just of Alecrast and Bulbagarden. Furthermore, North and South Sheepsta both have developed powerful economies and industries of their own. North Sheepsta having strong industries in Gambling and Soda Sales, South Sheepsta in Beef-Based Agriculture and Automobile Manufacturing, and both sharing a large Uranium Mining sector ruled over by Nukes4U, a massive multinational company of which now 30% is owned by Sheepstan individuals, and the CEO of which, Erik Bax, is, as previously stated, both a Sheepstan national and a member of Alecrast's Council of 15.
Secondly, while it is true that Sheepsta holds abundant natural mineral resources, this is true of both Alecrast and Bulbagarden as well. We have no need for these resources. Yes, it is true that Alecrast and Bulbagarden purchase the lions share of that which is mined, however this is done at the going market rates. There is no favouritism here.
As for the damage inflicted on the Sheepstan land, I ask everyone to think back to the Sheepstan Civil War, in which Bulbagarden did not fight, and Alecrast played only a minor role. It was the people who have now become the USSNS paramilitary forces who launched Nuclear Weapons on civilian centres and other targets, and caused the same destruction to the land as Alecrast faced both when attacked by forces unknown not so long ago, and back during the Chaos Wars.

Finally, "Ew Bastard" makes his most henious claim, saying "You need only look at the pretense of Alecrast as they stormed unpeacefully the Sheepstan homeland. While they maimed and killed thousands if not millions of Sheepstan civilians. They sought only to annex Sheepsta outright."

This is repeating his false claims from earlier. We came in at the request of the people of Sheepsta, after a referendum by the people which ratified their status as our protectorates. While these elections have since been contested by the region, a second election is being set up by members of observer nations around the region, and we feel confident that they will again vote for us to stay. If they don't....then we'll move out. We are here because we were asked to be here.
As for the claims of maiming and killing, there is only one group of people here who have done that. These paramilitaries. I'm sure we all remember when they slaughtered Alecrast civilians who were taken to Sheepsta after the attacks at the start of the Sheepstan Civil War, not to mention those pictures that we showed you earlier. Independant Inspectors from around the region have already validated this, and have validated these claims of "Ew Bastard" as being patently false. Why he continues to make them is beyond us.
As for the claims we wish to annex Sheepsta, I believe this has already been addressed.

In closing, I hope that the court comes to the correct decision on this matter soon, and that military action will not be necessary. However, I do ask all peoples to be prepared if such an eventuality might come to pass, as it is that path which the USSNS seems hell bent on.

Thank you all for your time.

[Drogue]

Then how else do you RP? You have said that the people support you, he has said that they support him. Ye sit might not be true, so dispute it, but many people have RPed like this, reismark about the AI in Akiria for example. Yes he has probided no evidence that there are rebellions, but it is perfectly conceivable to me that the people are patriotic and wish to be reunited with their traditional homeland.

I agree, some things that people make up like this need to just be denied (such as GTs Workhouses in the ACDG), and this may be one, but if no-one can Godmod, then nothing of that nature happens.

However, Sheep, I would advise you to tone it down a little.

I hope I got the definition of Godmodding right

[Drogue]

What has Sheep done that Archaic hasn't in that post? Archaic stated that he held referendums that showed the people on his side, Sheep stated that the people are reviolting against Alecrast and are afraid of their military. What is the difference?

[GeneralTacticus]

The main difference is that it seems rather more plausible that the people would choose to stay in the protectorates than to join New Sheepsta, given the conditions in the diffeent areas.

[Archaic]

Not to mention that a lot of what Sheep's saying there is contrary to a lot of what's already been established earlier in the thread (eg. His saying I "stormed unpeacefully the Sheepstan homeland").

What I did in my post really was just stating what the status quo is that Sheep's trying to change, then adding a few things that seemed plausible given the RP that's already happened (Such as what we know the USSNS forces are willing to do. They used Nukes before afterall, and they're waging a war of terrorism against me, so the Nerve Agents are just a logical extension of that).

[Giovanni Wine]

The Kingdom of Wine once again state his support for the Sheepstan cause, it is of big concerne for King Giovanni to see once again the efficient and friendly USS ruling over the totality of Sheepsta Islands.

Wine observers have also noticed that while in North Sheepsta everything seems to go well, in South Sheepsta there is indeed much truth about what the government of New Sheepsta claims.

The Royal Secret Intelligence Agency have written in its reports about South Sheepsta:
"The population of 40 million are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like."

Wine agents have discovered that most of those well-off citizens are indeed Bulbagarden citizens that moved to Sheepsta.
Also the simple fact that Bulbagarden have been described as a dictatorship by the UN itself made the Wine Prime Minister: The Grand Duke Francesco Morelli, wonder about how well is Bulbagarden administrating Southern Sheepsta.

It is believed by the Wine government that the Bulbagarden administration failed in it's work in Sheepsta, and should withdraw from the island as it is not even providing the Sheepstan people with the basic needs, such as food and healthcare, and letting them starve to death.

Therefore the Kingdom of Wine asks Bulbagarden to renounce its protectorate over Sheepsta, and allow International Observers to run that part of the nation until votations will decide on weather it should be left independent of should be merged with New Sheepsta.

Saluti

[Archaic]

RSIA? Appears to be more like the UN report to me. Perhaps your agents are slack. And while we're looking at UN reports, here's what the UN had to say about "The United Socialist States of New Sheepsta"

Its compassionate, hard-working, cynical population of 40 million are kept under strict control by the oppressive government, which measures its success by the nation's GDP and refers to individual citizens as "human resources."

And "Ew Bastard" has the gall to accuse us of economic greed?


Firstly, Alecrast would like to know why Wine would support a state which sponsors terrorism against the very people its retoric says it's trying to liberate. There are always casualties in a war, however deliberate attacks on civilians going about their normal day to day business is a very different matter entirely.

Alecrast would also like to know how Wine "agents" could discover "that most of those well-off citizens are indeed Bulbagarden citizens that moved to Sheepsta." when it has already been qualified and confirmed (See the last page.) that no Alecrast or Bulbagarden citizens have moved to Sheepsta. Furthermore, while it is acknowledged that there is a massive humanitarian problem in both North and South Sheepsta, this is due to the state of the country at the time when Alecrast and Bulbagarden began protecting it, not because of Alecrast and Bulbagarden's economic policies. The governments of both nations are trying to raise welfare spending both at home and in the protectorates to deal with this problem, but we must all acknowledge that there is no overnight fix for something like this. The fact however that there ARE jobs available in non-dangerous (ie. Besides the mining sector) industries (Beef-Based Agriculture and Automobile Manufacturing both spring to mind) that many people are qualified for, yet they still refuse to take them, is rather worrying.

Furthermore, while Alecrast acknowledges that it doesn't particulary favour Bulbagarden's political system, we can have no real problem with a person who was elected dictator for life by the people of his nation after bringing them out of economic ruin. We also don't see how its home political system makes any difference to how they've administrated South Sheepsta, which as you can see has Superb political freedoms. The so called "New Sheepsta" however has Few political freedoms.

[Drogue]

The issue isn't necessarily about whether the people support Alecrast or Sheepsta, but whether Alecrast and Bulbagarden's control of thos countries is legal. At least, that is the legal position. Alecrast is assuming that political freedoms is a reason for people to like a particular reason. Personally, I do not see this as an issue of who runs the country better, as that is completely subjective, depending on what you want in a country. Sheep prefers it as it was, Archaic as it is now. It is not the job of the international community to decide how to run a country, that is an issue of sovereignty. What should be up to the court, is whether the control of North and South Sheepsta is lawful. Who should have control over said nations cannot rest on the subjective opinions of what the judges look for in a nation, but on the legality for intervention by Alecrast. There is also the issue about whether Alecrast has authorisation to intervene, or whether it should have come to the UN or the Regional Court to ask for a mandate. I would like to see this heard in Court, so we can decide which.

Giovanni: if you are running as a judge, posting your opinion before any trial might be unadvisable. I am reserving judgement until I have heard the facts in a court.

Sheep: Will you allow this to be heard in the court, once judges have been elected? Alecrast will not be allowed to hear it, sicne it is a party involved. However, since you lack militarily against Alecrast, it is probably in your best interest to give judgement to the international community, rather than try your chances at war. As is true to international law, if Sheep decides not to allow the case, then it can be heard, and judgement given, but neither party is bound to any action, nor to observe the judgement. All that sort of judgement will do is ratify to the international community a recommendation of the legal position.

[Jack_www]

Yes the whole issue here is who has a legal right to controll North and South Sheepsta and weather or not Alecrast. If Jaskson is elected to the court, we would hear all sides before making a final dession, but we too have seen many of the actions that lead up to this first hand. Weather or not the people of Sheepsta are being treated fairly will not be an issue that will be considered, rather the issues that Drogue pointed out.

Allthough one note to this whole thing, if Alcreast would have consulted the nations of Apolyton and did not involve a nation that is out of the Apolyton region and that most nations of Apolyton know little about we could have avioded this mess in the first place.

[Drogue]

Very true, since it is out of this region, Buldagarden is unable to be tried. However, the court can decide to remove a country from outside the region having control of one inside it, when it is in session. I will bring this if I am elected, and the court can decide. Personally, if Alecrast loses, I don't see hown Bulbagarden can stay, however, if Alecrast wins, I think South Sheepsta should be taken into international custody, since Bulbagarden is not a member of Apolyton, thus not subject to it's court, whether beneficial or not.

[Giovanni Wine]

To: Alecrast
From: Wine

if you read our request better, you will see that we never said we should give south Sheepsta or north Sheepsta to the despotic nation of New Sheepsta, and you will see that we had hopes for the return of the USS to rule over Sheepsta island.

We just said that since it looked to us that Bulbagarden was not (according to our standards) doing a good enough job with their protectorate mandate, we hoped that Bulbagarden would have recognized this and therefore withdrawed from this position, and allowed for international forces to run the country, until votations (from the people) would have choosed on its fate, if they want to be independent, if they want to be merged with New Sheepsta, or if they want to stay under an International administration for some more time.

Also this was refered only to South Sheepsta, as, always according to the RSIA (and confirmed by the UN), it looks to us that Alecrast is instead doing a very good job in the administration of North Sheepsta.

Also you claim that South Sheepsta has Superb Political Freedom ranking, but Political Freedom is not everything, when our agents reported us that people were starving to death out on the street, without a bit of healthcare or welfare program, it really disappointed us.
We see, as we already said, that Alecrast has instead done a fine job in that. Why wasn't Bulbagarden able to do the sae things? We believe that the time for the protectorates already expired, and Bulbagarden failed, now it is time to let the international community run South Sheepsta, and let the Southern Sheepstan decide their own fate by votations.

To: Drogue
I decided to post my position, so that the voters would have known which position I have, and knew for who they are voting (or not voting).
I think it is better to give a clear and defined position BEFORE votations, instead of not having one, and wait to be voted in.

Saluti

[Drogue]

Giovanni: It is better not to give an opinion before the trial, else you can be seen as biased and may be asked (by the parties) to be removed from the judge bench for the trial. The fact there is an election shouldn't make a difference, posting your opinion before trial could make you prejudiced, especially having an argument with one of the parties in the trial. No offence intended, just my opinion on the actions of judges, that opinions should be made inthe courthouse, based upon the evidence presented to them.

[Giovanni Wine]

Originally posted by Drogue
Giovanni: It is better not to give an opinion before the trial, else you can be seen as biased and may be asked (by the parties) to be removed from the judge bench for the trial. The fact there is an election shouldn't make a difference, posting your opinion before trial could make you prejudiced, especially having an argument with one of the parties in the trial. No offence intended, just my opinion on the actions of judges, that opinions should be made inthe courthouse, based upon the evidence presented to them.

Well... in this case you are very right.

Probably I should have waited for all evidences to be brought in front of the court, so if Alecrast will decide not to have me as one of judges of the issue (in case I get elected off course) I will perfecty understand.

Saluti

[Mr. President]

In the past, Dakmoristan has stayed out of international affairs; but its growing economic interests in Alecrast and Bulbagarden demand that it speak out.

Praetor Shinzon of Dakmoristan condemns unconditionally the acts of terrorism that appear to have been perpetrated by New Sheepsta. He states that Dakmoristan will not recognize this illegitimate terrorist government.

Security has been increased in Dakmoristan's capital, Urborg, against possible terrorist retaliations against Alecrastian and Bulbagardenese interests. Praetor Shinzon conveys his regrets to Bulbagarden that the new embassy, open for so short a time, is being ringed with soldiers. Non-essential embassy staff have also left North and South Sheepsta.

Shinzon has promised diplomatic support for Alecrast and Bulbagarden in crushing the terrorist insurgency of New Sheepsta.

[Malleus]

Upper Riis offers itself as a member of the Tribunal. We vow, in keeping with our traditions, to explore the subject objectovely and fairly.

M

[Sheep]

occ: All I have said that the Alecrast and Bulagarden takeover of my nation was not legal and nt as peaceul as they claim. I have started cleansing those ho activley support the occupiers and have started a gurella camaign for the lieraion of the entire island.

Anarchic get over it.

The people of Sheepsta long oppressed by those who seek to destroy our spirit and those who occupy our homes are the only people who we attack. This is NOT terorism, this is WAR.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
occ: All I have said that the Alecrast and Bulagarden takeover of my nation was not legal and nt as peaceul as they claim.

It is a claim which was already confirmed by the international inspectors.

Originally posted by Sheep
I have started cleansing those ho activley support the occupiers and have started a gurella camaign for the lieraion of the entire island.

ie. I'm killing civilians, and my idea of "liberation" is when I'm in power, even though the other side is the legitimate government.

Originally posted by Sheep
Anarchic get over it.

You're the one who seems to need to get over things. For someone who said that they're "trying to keep it civil" and that they had "no personal grudge", you certainly do seem that way.

Originally posted by Sheep
The people of Sheepsta long oppressed by those who seek to destroy our spirit and those who occupy our homes are the only people who we attack. This is NOT terorism, this is WAR.

You are killing Sheepstan Civilians on purpose with biological and chemical agents. That is terrorism. There are no people "occupying your homes", and there is certainly no oppression.

[Sheep]

Where the hell did you get the bilogical and chemical agents. New Sheepsta only wishes for the liberation of Sheepsta from opression. Freign troops and their lackeys that willingly support the oppressors are the TARGETS. Not Sheepstan civilians. We hold not weapons of mass destruction or ish none. Once the unification is complete, the New Sheepstan constituion will be implemented.

Three things are of notice

1/ New Sheepsta is to be an independent unified and neutral nation
2/ NO weapons of mass destruction are to be held in New Shepsta
3/New Sheepstan military is prohibited from depolying overseas.

Now on top of this there is a vow for 10 years that there will be not trading relations or anything with Alecarst or Bulbaarden

This is what you are worried about aren't you?

[Sheep]

Anther causual note. North and South Shepsta have gone from being outright annexed to protectorates to seperate states. In truth these puppets are not supported except through fear. The UN has been fooled they are shown those lackeys loyal to these opressors and nothing els

[Archaic]

*Points up towards the long post he made earlier*
Your so called "New Sheepsta" is a loose confederation of paramilitaries who are the remaints of the rebal forces of Cardinal Ew, who the world already knows threw Nukes at Fort Jesus during the Sheepsta Civil War. Your words are *worthless* when we already know them to be false.

Furthermore, "Annex" has already been clarified as being the incorrect terminology, and we corrected ourselves, as you'd easily see if you even bothered to read Alecrast statements. They are correctly termed "protectorates". While it is true that they elect people to the Alecrast and Bulbagarden national parliments, this is not to make them a part of these nations, but to ensure that the governments of those nations look out for the best interests of the protectorates. And, as the UN and Wine have both validated, their interests are being well served.

[Jack_www]

Again I think people are missing the point. The whole issues is not which government treats the people better or is the best it is who has a legal right in controlling those lands.

[Archaic]

Then that is a cut and dry case.

The so called "United Socialist States of New Sheepsta" are a group who came about from the remaints of the paramilitary organisation led by Cardinal Ew until his execution, now led by "Ew Bastard", which were declared traitors to Sheepsta by the previous government of Sheepsta. These are the people who lost the Sheepstan Civil Warm and who used a Nuclear Weapon on Fort Jesus, ironically enough the same place which they currently occupy.

Alecrast and Bulbagarden both moved in at the request of the Sheepstan Citizens Council following the dissolution of the Sheepstan Government in the wake of numerous terrorist attacks by the New Sheepstan forces. The status of North and South Sheepsta as protectorates of the two nations was ratified by a general referendum. The results of this referendum have never been invalidated, though some countries have had concerns over the process. Both Alecrast and Bulbagarden have expressed a desire for full compliance with the wishes of the court and the region, and are willing to hold repeat referendums with international minders to again ratify these states being protectorates.

[Mr. President]

The legal case seems clear enough. In the absence of an indigenous government, and upon the request of the indigenous population, Alecrast and Bulbagarden were well within their rights to create the Protectorates.

[Giovanni Wine]

To: Bulbagarden
From: Wine

We hope that you will take into account our requests to leave the administration of South Sheepsta to the international community, unless of course we see that the conditions of the poor people in Southern Sheepsta have improved.

Saluti

[Sheep]

These paramilitries you call them would not support the egalitarian and socialist regime of New Sheepsta, Alecrast. We do not see any point in telling you this though, but Cardinal Ew was a dictator using myth and legend to keep in power.

New Sheepsta offically does NOT believe in a god. The fact is that the people under you are oppressed by Alecrastian and Bulbagarden companies seeking to extend their profits from the disunited Sheepstan people.

New Sheepsta seeks nothing but reunification and will not respect any other outcome. This Ew Bastard is not our leader but a terrorist leader who masqurades as ours. New Sheepsta has not activley engaged the wider world, but now it is time to do so. Our leader Comrade Secretary Nick Nubriyah. Secretary Nubriyah laughs at the Alecrastian definitions of the Sheepstan occupied zones. First annexation, then protectorates then fully independent, now once again protectorates.

As for the claim of the Sheepstan Citizens Council, of which Nubriyah was a part of, they were coerced by Alecrastian Yokuzawa men, for basis of their 'ligetemate' occupation of our sovereign lands.

Once again we itterte we do not posses weapons of mass destruction and do not seek to. We strike at only those we are at war with, The oppressor occupation governments, their lackeys and the armies of Alecrast and Bulbagarden. We seek no harm on any civilian that wither is not in Sheepsta or does not activley and enthusiastically support this illegal and immoral occupation.

Socialism, true egalitarianism shall come to Sheepsta. The Sheepstan people shall be reunitied. Alecrast you have found yourself a Vietnam in the dense jungles of our homeland.

occ: Effecitvely the reason why this has happened is that I fell rather ill and could not keep the country up. When I returned I took it slowly and gradualy began restarting what I could not do. Nation States was not the first. However without asking me Anarchic whom Sheepsta has had wars with Alecrast in the past just came and took it over.

I feel this injust and not sportsmanlike. After all I would not seek to take over someone elses hard work for mere 'enjoyment' However in Anarchic's words 'I simply couldn;t care what you think, I am going to do what ever I want'.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Giovanni Wine
To: Bulbagarden
From: Wine

We hope that you will take into account our requests to leave the administration of South Sheepsta to the international community, unless of course we see that the conditions of the poor people in Southern Sheepsta have improved.

Saluti

And they will in time, however we cannot guarentee an overnight success story. While we try and provide as much money towards welfare as possible, our economy is not as strong as that of Alecrast, and the flow of aid money to South Sheepsta is not what we would like it to be, especially when this has happened during a period of gradual political reforms within our own nation.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
I feel this injust and not sportsmanlike. After all I would not seek to take over someone elses hard work for mere 'enjoyment' However in Anarchic's words 'I simply couldn;t care what you think, I am going to do what ever I want'.

OOC:
What a way to take my words totally out of context. Firstly, I said "I don't care", not "I simply couldn;t care what you think, I am going to do what ever I want." See the difference? I certainly do.

Secondly, I said that in reply to you saying *I* was godmodding. Let me give you a little lesson here.
Godmodding for the purpose of personal gain = Evil
Godmodding for the purpose of restoring the status quo that was upset by someone else godmoddig = Necessary and acceptable
Godmodding for the purpose of screwing yourself up (eg. The attack on Alecrast) = Acceptable if there's a lag in RPing.

Now, let me point out something here. If you were sick or not is irrelevant to this whole thing. You posted numerous times on other forums at Apolyton, demonstrating that you could easily have done something. You abandoned your nation. I waited a full 7 days after Nationstates flushed Sheepsta after the system to do what I did. You made not a single post on this forum telling people about this, you made not a single action to reclaim your nation until *days* after what I did. If you don't understand what that means, it means you surrendered your rights to the nation.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
These paramilitries you call them would not support the egalitarian and socialist regime of New Sheepsta, Alecrast. We do not see any point in telling you this though, but Cardinal Ew was a dictator using myth and legend to keep in power.

Which is why they seem to make up your entire population?

Originally posted by Sheep
New Sheepsta offically does NOT believe in a god.

So? Alecrast and Bulbagarden have no state religions either, and their religious advisors are both former School Teachers who are both Athiests.

Originally posted by Sheep
The fact is that the people under you are oppressed by Alecrastian and Bulbagarden companies seeking to extend their profits from the disunited Sheepstan people.

We're hearing the same retoric and lies here, but still you fail to accept the fact that the evidence supports what we are saying, not what you are saying. Even Wine has validated that, for North Sheepsta at least, and they seem willing to allow Bulbagarden and its slow and steady approach to prove itself.

Originally posted by Sheep
New Sheepsta seeks nothing but reunification and will not respect any other outcome.

Then you are likely to be disappointed.

Originally posted by Sheep
This Ew Bastard is not our leader but a terrorist leader who masqurades as ours.

Glad to hear it. Now prove it. How could he be able to do that in the first place? It seems to me that you're working for him and are just saying these things. Afterall, why haven't you appeared to us before?

Originally posted by Sheep
New Sheepsta has not activley engaged the wider world, but now it is time to do so. Our leader Comrade Secretary Nick Nubriyah.

Hello Mr. Impostor. Glad to see you couldn't even get your title right. Secretary being below Chairman ("Ew Bastard") afterall.

Originally posted by Sheep
Secretary Nubriyah laughs at the Alecrastian definitions of the Sheepstan occupied zones. First annexation, then protectorates then fully independent, now once again protectorates.

When did we say they were fully independant at this point in time (Though we are of course moving towards that)? Don't blame the fact that you can't understand the political terminology on us.

Originally posted by Sheep
As for the claim of the Sheepstan Citizens Council, of which Nubriyah was a part of, they were coerced by Alecrastian Yokuzawa men, for basis of their 'ligetemate' occupation of our sovereign lands.

Which is why half the land is a protectorate of Bulbagarden? I see no evidence to back up this claim. But please, if you have any, present it to the inspectors. I'd rather like to hear what my Yokuza units have done.
Though.....checking this roster here, I see no "Nick Nubriyah" as ever being a part of the council.

Originally posted by Sheep
Once again we itterte we do not posses weapons of mass destruction and do not seek to.

Which is why North and South Sheepsta have been attacked by biological and chemical weapons, and you previously nuked Fort Jesus during the Civil War.

Originally posted by Sheep
We strike at only those we are at war with, The oppressor occupation governments, their lackeys and the armies of Alecrast and Bulbagarden.

Which is why you kill civilians?

Originally posted by Sheep
We seek no harm on any civilian that wither is not in Sheepsta or does not activley and enthusiastically support this illegal and immoral occupation.

So in other words.....if the citizens like being under the protection of Alecrast or Bulbagarden, you're going to kill them. Thanks for clarifying.

Originally posted by Sheep
Socialism, true egalitarianism shall come to Sheepsta. The Sheepstan people shall be reunitied. Alecrast you have found yourself a Vietnam in the dense jungles of our homeland.

If only there were still dense jungles. If you haven't noticed, the heavy use of Agent Orange during the Civil War by your own forces really wrecked it.




OOC:
Don't you just love Sheep's war protestor mentality? Yell "It's evil and immoral" at the top of your lungs over and over, without offering any proof that isn't contradicted by the actual evidence, and making up evidence on the spot if necessary, until people get sick of it and cave in to shut you up. Perhaps the SMACDG people here should tell him exactly who he's got involved with here.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Archaic
It is a claim which was already confirmed by the international inspectors.

Who'se inspectors? Do we have independant corroberation of this? Under whose authority did they go in?

Originally posted by Archaic
You are killing Sheepstan Civilians on purpose with biological and chemical agents. That is terrorism. There are no people "occupying your homes", and there is certainly no oppression.

Again, I ask for evidence. Who says they have or are using WoMD? Isn't this godmodding, since you are saying what someone else has done/is doing?

Originally posted by Archaic
Then that is a cut and dry case.

Surely you can see that, with the differing opinions regarding this act, that this is not the case. This is anything but cut and dry.

Originally posted by Archaic
without offering any proof that isn't contradicted by the actual evidence, and making up evidence on the spot if necessary.

Sionce this is RPing, I don't think there is ecvidence as such. However, it is contradicted by your evidence, which Sheep may dispute.

Originally posted by Archaic
You abandoned your nation. I waited a full 7 days after Nationstates flushed Sheepsta after the system to do what I did. You made not a single post on this forum telling people about this, you made not a single action to reclaim your nation until *days* after what I did.

That is true. However:

Originally posted by Archaic
If you don't understand what that means, it means you surrendered your rights to the nation.

May be disputable. Moreover, even if he did surrender it, it then falls under international duristiction, and protectorship, rather than the control on any particular nation. He could claim a right to it, although as you said, he may have forfeited that, but whether you have a right to it is another issue.

Originally posted by Archaic
Perhaps the SMACDG people here should tell him exactly who he's got involved with here.

I think he's begining to find out