US military tests 21,000 pound bomb - Page 2

MichaeltheGreat · March 11, 2003, 20:18

It's incorrect on the explosives, at least wrt the production version just tested. The MOAB doesn't use the daisy cutter's nitrate-aluminum slurry, it uses higher yield, current generation explosives.

This probably prevents, rather than sets precedent for, use of small tactical nukes.

Dis · March 11, 2003, 20:46

Knight2003 · March 11, 2003, 21:05

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Air Force Tuesday tested the biggest conventional bomb in the military's arsenal, dropping the new 21,000-pound device on a test site at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, U.S. officials said.

The Pentagon hopes the test will pave the way for use of the bomb -- should there be a war in Iraq -- against critical targets on the surface and underground.

The new Massive Ordnance Air Blast, or MOAB, was dropped from a military transport plane over a test site at Eglin, 60 miles east of Pensacola, Florida, just after 2 p.m.

It was the final test of the new Massive Ordnance Air Blast, or MOAB, and the first to use actual explosives. Two previously undisclosed tests, one in February and one on Friday, were inert.

The Air Force may decide to release video of the final test in hopes of placing additional pressure on the Iraqi military to realize it cannot win against the U.S. military.

"The goal is to have the pressure be so great that Saddam Hussein cooperates," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters. "Short of that -- an unwillingness to cooperate -- the goal is to have the capabilities of the coalition so clear and so obvious that there is an enormous disincentive for the Iraqi military to fight against the coalition."

The National Earthquake Information Center said it found no seismic activity as a result of the explosion, as some in the military had indicated might occur. A 10,000-foot cloud had been expected and local residents had been warned of possible loud noise.

Kathy Fite, a waitress at the International House of Pancakes in Fort Walton Beach, about 20 miles from the test site, said she heard the explosion, but it did not rattle the restaurant's windows or shake the ground.

She described the explosion as loud, but "not real loud." Fite said the blast was comparable to the sound of warships that sometimes test fire in the area.

Pentagon officials said they were examining results of the test to determine whether it worked as designed.

MOAB, privately known in military circles as "the mother of all bombs," has been under development since late last year. The bomb carries 18,000 pounds of tritonal explosives, which have an indefinite shelf life. It replaces the Vietnam-era "Daisy Cutter," a 15,000-pound bomb with 12,600 pounds of the less-powerful GSX explosives.

As originally conceived, the MOAB was to be used against large formations of troops and equipment or hardened above-ground bunkers. The target set has also been expanded to include deeply buried targets.

But military officials tell CNN that the MOAB is mainly conceived as a weapon employed for "psychological operations." Military officials say they hope the MOAB will create such a huge blast that it will rattle Iraq troops and pressure them into surrendering or not even fighting. Officials suggest perhaps the Iraqis might even mistake a MOAB blast for a nuclear detonation.

The MOAB is deployed on a pallet from a C-130 aircraft. It initially has a parachute, but as it deploys, the Inertial Navigation System and Global Positioning System take over. The bomb also has wings and grid fins for guidance.

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I hope that this clears up any questions on the bombs guidance systems and accuracy. The bomb would probably be utilized in areas of rocky terrain or valleys where conventional 'smart bombs' are less effective. The MOAB sprays highly flammable liquid over its target area and then ignites it thereby evenly covering areas which shrapnel cannot reach. It would therefore be best used against command bunkers and in uneven terrain.

Ned · March 11, 2003, 21:12

What is this bomb, an Mini-Me nuke?

Joseph · March 11, 2003, 21:15

I saw the video a few minutes ago on CNN Crossfire. 4:05 pm pacific time.

Ned · March 11, 2003, 21:35

In thinking about this bomb, I could not help but think of this scene from Conan the Barbarian, which we have learned was actually spoken by the great Khan himself, Ghenghis Khan.

"We have won again. That is good! But what is best in life?
Mongol General: The open steppe, fleet horse, falcon on your wrist, wind in your hair!
Mongol General: Wrong! Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!
Mongol General: That is good."

Had they known of this bomb, they may have said something just a little different.

Kramerman · March 11, 2003, 21:37

Quote:

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
It's incorrect on the explosives, at least wrt the production version just tested. The MOAB doesn't use the daisy cutter's nitrate-aluminum slurry, it uses higher yield, current generation explosives.

This probably prevents, rather than sets precedent for, use of small tactical nukes.

i was saying that i hope this isnt a stepping stone toward using nukes. I said using a low yield tactical nuke in a war would set a dangerous precedent, not using these bombs

... sry if i was unclear

Oerdin · March 11, 2003, 23:26

If the enemy digs i at a certain spot then a MOAB will surely dig them back out. As I recall OBL told his supporters if they dug fox holes then the Americans would have a hard time bombing them. With a MOAB these folks are dead with or without a fox hole.

Dis · March 12, 2003, 00:00

more pictures

Ted Striker · March 12, 2003, 00:29

Pretty much everything MTG said.

MRT144 · March 12, 2003, 00:30

why not just drop ryder trucks?

Dis · March 12, 2003, 00:36

that's pretty much what it is. just more aerodynamic.

Ted Striker · March 12, 2003, 00:39

They need to put some hydrolics and some twenty inch rims on this mug.

Oerdin · March 12, 2003, 00:41

Dissident: That's a dazzy cutter not a MOAB. You can tell because it has a parachute.

Dis · March 12, 2003, 01:03

doesn't this one have a parachute?

Well the site I got it from probably isn't reliable.

Here's where I got it from.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...tions/moab.htm

Skanky Burns · March 12, 2003, 01:04

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Originally posted by Knight2003
WASHINGTON (CNN)
...It initially has a parachute, but as it deploys, the Inertial Navigation System and Global Positioning System take over...

Panag · March 12, 2003, 01:34

Quote:

Originally posted by Eli
Any pictures of the blast?

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Mar2..._bt110-03.html

enjoy

Panag · March 12, 2003, 01:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Dissident
doesn't this one have a parachute?

Well the site I got it from probably isn't reliable.

Here's where I got it from.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...tions/moab.htm

hi ,

the chute is only to pull the thing out of the airplane , .....

see the video

have a nice day

The Emperor Fabulous · March 12, 2003, 01:37

Mother Of All Bombs

MichaeltheGreat · March 12, 2003, 01:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Oerdin
Dissident: That's a dazzy cutter not a MOAB. You can tell because it has a parachute.

MOAB has to use a parachute for extraction, then it cuts the chute loose and glides in on INS and GPS. If you didn't use a chute, the pallet/MOAB combo is too unstable coming out of the back of the -130 or -17, and would tumble, preventing you from getting it oriented right for final guidance.