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Serbian Prime Minister Assasinated!
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Today: March 12, 2003 at 6:01:18 PST
Serbian Prime Minister Is Assassinated
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BELGRADE, Serbia-Montenegro (AP) -
Serbian Prime Minister Zoran Djindjic - a key leader of the revolt that toppled former President Slobodan Milosevic in October 2000 - was assassinated Wednesday by gunmen who ambushed him outside the government complex, police sources said.
Djindjic, 50, died in a Belgrade hospital after having been shot in the abdomen and back, the sources told The Associated Press.
Two people were arrested and one was injured in the shooting, witnesses said.
The government building where Djindjic was ambushed was sealed off by heavy state security, and three ambulances were parked in front. Police stopped traffic in downtown Belgrade, searching through cars and checking passengers.
Djindjic appeared to have been targeted last month, when a truck suddenly cut into the lane in which his motorcade was traveling to Belgrade's airport. The motorcade narrowly avoided a collision, and Djindjic later dismissed the Feb. 21 alleged assassination attempt as a "futile effort" that could not stop democratic reforms.
"If someone thinks the law and the reforms can be stopped by eliminating me, then that is a huge delusion," Djindjic was quoted as saying by the Politika newspaper at the time.
The assassination of Djindjic heralds turbulent days for Serbia and a bitter power struggle for his successor. Otpor, or Resistance, an independent pro-democracy group, said the shooting means "criminals have won the battle" in Serbia.
Djindjic had many enemies because of his pro-reformist and Western stands. He was key in Milosevic's extradition to the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague, Netherlands.
Djindjic, a pro-Western leader, saw Serbia's fate as linked to the West and favored greater cooperation with the U.N. war crimes tribunal, where Milosevic now is standing trial on charges of genocide and crimes against humanity.
He was pivotal in arresting and handing Milosevic to the war crimes tribunal in June 2001. For this, he was blasted by Serbian nationalists, including his former ally Vojislav Kostunica, who stepped down as Yugoslav president earlier this month after the formation of a new state, Serbia and Montenegro.
Djindjic's feud with Kostunica since the two jointly toppled Milosevic had virtually paralyzed the country's much-needed economic and social reforms.
Djindjic was often criticized by his opponents for seeking too much power and for "mercilessly" attacking his political rivals.
A German-educated technocrat known to supporters as "The Manager" for his organizational skills and as "Little Slobo" to his detractors for his authoritarian tendencies, Djindjic nonetheless managed to gain some political capital from his willingness to surrender Milosevic despite a constitutional ban on extraditing Serbian citizens.
Though derided for his fondness for big cars and flashy suits, Djindjic's trade of Milosevic for $1.2 billion in international economic aid appeared to have won respect from people desperate to improve a living standard that ranks among the lowest in Europe.
Born in 1952 into the family of a Yugoslav army officer in the town of Bosanski Samac near the Bosnian border, Djindjic was raised and educated in Belgrade.
In the early 1970s he enrolled in the School of Philosophy at Belgrade University, a hotbed of liberal opposition to the Communist regime. In 1977, he left to earn a doctorate in philosophy at Heidelberg, Germany.
Djindjic had taken an active part in all protests against Milosevic's rule since 1991. He became Democratic Party president in 1994 and was active in the anti-government protests of 1996-97.
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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...031201431.html
Someone remind me why we got rid of Slobo, again...
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March 12, 2003, 10:29
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Well I preferred my closed thread 
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March 12, 2003, 10:30
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Hey, I apologized for choosing this one and gave some type of reason. I never do that to Bod. 
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March 12, 2003, 10:48
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holy crap 
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March 12, 2003, 10:51
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FP beat me to it. Holy crap.
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March 12, 2003, 10:53
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The point i made in my (tragicaly) closed thread was that a Balkan crisis might give the US/UK some manuver rome over Iraq because if it kicks off in Serbia France and Germany won't be able to sort it out without them
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March 12, 2003, 10:55
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True Stinger, but I expect that yet another Balkan war is the last thing the US and UK want. They've got their hands full already.
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March 12, 2003, 10:56
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(Sorry about the closure, guy)
Somebody please remind me under what UN resolution and at who's behest we took down Slobo in the first place.
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March 12, 2003, 10:57
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Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
True Stinger, but I expect that yet another Balkan war is the last thing the US and UK want. They've got their hands full already.
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No they won't but I expect the germans would want tehm to assist in stopping any conflict
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March 12, 2003, 10:58
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
(Sorry about the closure, guy)
Somebody please remind me under what UN resolution and at who's behest we took down Slobo in the first place.
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Not a problem
No resolution eevn considered as Russia would have vetoed, but thats ok as France supported that action
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March 12, 2003, 11:04
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Ah, I see... 
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March 12, 2003, 11:08
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Originally posted by TheStinger
No they won't but I expect the germans would want tehm to assist in stopping any conflict
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The Germans and French fancy themselves leaders, unfortunately that means that ever so often you actually have to do something. I do hope that this does not lead to wider conflict, but perhaps we will see just how Germany and France lead. Can you imagine the scene of German and French troops in the area. I wonder what the older people will think.
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March 12, 2003, 11:14
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Re: Serbian Prime Minister Assasinated!
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Someone remind me why we got rid of Slobo, again...
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Last I heard, Milosevic wasn't convicted by the International Court of Tribunal on former Yugoslavia and Rwanda. If he is an evil a man as the West made him out to be, that shouldn't be such a hard task.
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March 12, 2003, 11:16
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Re: Re: Serbian Prime Minister Assasinated!
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Last I heard, Milosevic wasn't convicted by the International Court of Tribunal on former Yugoslavia and Rwanda. If he is an evil a man as the West made him out to be, that shouldn't be such a hard task.
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His War Crimes trial is still in progress IIRC, and from what I've read the evidence is really stacking up against him.
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March 12, 2003, 11:16
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He is being tried at the moment, it hasn't finished yet.
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March 12, 2003, 11:19
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Yes, he is being tried. My point was, if Milosevic is really such a monster, there certainly is no need for such a long trial for the amount of evidence certainly should be overwhelming. Just Kosovo would have nailed his hide.
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March 12, 2003, 11:20
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Oh i see do a quick show trial, I'm sure you would support that
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March 12, 2003, 11:24
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There were undoubtably lots of atrocities on all sides during the Yugoslavian civil wars during Slobo's time in power.
Finding out which of the 23,541 war crimes that occured were ones for which he was directly responsible is important - because then you know which ones need further investigation to identify the main culprits.
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March 12, 2003, 12:07
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Oh i see do a quick show trial, I'm sure you would support that
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After all, thats how they do it in the PRC.
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March 12, 2003, 12:07
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I'm all for letting the Euros sort out European issues without us.
We'll handle Latin America, Asia and the Middle East.
More than a fair trade.
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March 12, 2003, 12:09
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Man, this is sad 
I switched TV on ca. 30 min. ago and saw an obviously old, long interview with Djindjic. I wondered why they brought it again on screen, but found him very convincing, very concerned about establishing a stable, democratic Serbia. Then I saw the news...
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March 12, 2003, 12:09
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Who gets New Jersey?
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The last high-profile assassination carried out in Serbia that I'm aware of had some rather dire consequences...
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We should start digging the trenches now.
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I'm all for letting the Euros sort out European issues without us.
We'll handle Latin America, Asia and the Middle East.
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oh jesus christ... 
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oh jesus christ...
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Having a religious experience, are we?
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March 12, 2003, 12:27
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let's get real: one assassination is not going to plunge the world into another WW just because WW1 started that way.
I think the US was idiotic to ever get involved in this mess. It was France and co. who wanted to rid themselves of Milosevic and got the US to do their dirty work. Interestingly enough, France bypassed the UN entirely on that little affair because Russia promised to veto any resolution, but now expect the US to get UN support for our business and won't support us. Ungrateful rats!
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March 12, 2003, 12:31
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let's get real: one assassination is not going to plunge the world into another WW just because WW1 started that way.
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Of course not, since Austria is no power anymore, and since we have a completely different system of alliances now....
However, worst case for me would be a situation where old hyper-nationalistic forces come to power again in Serbia - this would endanger the entire Balkan again
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The point i made in my (tragicaly) closed thread was that a Balkan crisis might give the US/UK some manuver rome over Iraq because if it kicks off in Serbia France and Germany won't be able to sort it out without them
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Don't "help" again 
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March 12, 2003, 12:35
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Yeah, Greece has everything under control.
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