What in the HELL is doing Firaxis now? - Page 3

Paddy · October 25, 2003, 06:11

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar

Created Civ1....Brian did Civ2 and SMACX, and then Sid and Jeffy created the abomination we know today as Civ3

ABOMINATION.... interesting how we so own the game they built.

ABOMINATION.... yeah, the game is pretty messed up.

ABOMINATION....

Solver · October 25, 2003, 18:03

Stop blaiming Sid, will you? He hasn't created a bad game. Civ I was the masterpiece. Civ 2, on which he and Brian worked together, was great. Although some, including me, don't like specific aspects of Civ 2, it was great.

Civ 3 was created with little input from Sid... so if you believe Civ 3 is bad, no blaming Sid on that one.

Brian is great. Did Civ 2 and SMAC, which are fantastic. Also, made RoN - although it may now not be too active, it's still a great game.

Paddy · October 25, 2003, 18:50

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Originally posted by Solver
Stop blaiming Sid, will you? He hasn't created a bad game. Civ I was the masterpiece. Civ 2, on which he and Brian worked together, was great. Although some, including me, don't like specific aspects of Civ 2, it was great.

Civ 3 was created with little input from Sid... so if you believe Civ 3 is bad, no blaming Sid on that one.

Brian is great. Did Civ 2 and SMAC, which are fantastic. Also, made RoN - although it may now not be too active, it's still a great game.

Uhhh ummmm ok colour me pink and call me human.... but what is this about little imput from Sid on CivIII...?

It was my undersatnding that he was involved all the way.... I would like to know more please.

Thanks.

Paddy · October 25, 2003, 18:52

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Are you on drugs or something?

Oh but Comrade.... did you not know...! It is in the water...

Solver · October 25, 2003, 19:32

Sid did not design Civ 3. Which means that, he didn't decide on many gameplay aspects. That was done by Jeff Briggs. Sid was apparently more of a consultant or something... and busy with SimGolf (a game he actually designed) all the while.

While it's not exactly known to what extent Sid was involved, it's clear that he didn't "make" the game as he did with Civ 1 or 2.

Paddy · October 25, 2003, 19:41

Well that is a shame...

and shame on him for plastering HIS name all over the shop in regards to CivIII.

money money money, always money... it is a shame

Spiffor · October 25, 2003, 20:01

The blame can mostly go to Atari on this one I think.

Sid Meier's anything will have more votes only because the name Sid Meier is mentioned on the box. Just look at our Apolytonian behaviour regarding the next Pirates game: we are giving quite some importance to the game (and some even want it to be covered by 'Poly), despite it having nothing to do with Civ.

We are simply in love with Sid Meier and he drives us and our purses nuts

laurentius · October 25, 2003, 21:51

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar

Created Civ1....Brian did Civ2 and SMACX, and then Sid and Jeffy created the abomination we know today as Civ3

exactly my point.

Brian scores 2-1 in the great game compo

Solver: Last time I checked my Civ3 box said "Sid Meiers Civ3"
So maybe he should be little more careful what to take credit for. Or then it is a great game and I just dont like it.

Spiffor: Not all of us are in love with the guy. He started annoy me at the same second I saw his stupid face as my science advisor....Sid fuken jong Il. How narcistic of him.

The reason I think Sid is overrated is because he has in fact made only one good game...Civ 1 most of the other games are just unrelevant crap

Paddy · October 25, 2003, 22:33

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Originally posted by laurentius

.....Solver: Last time I checked my Civ3 box said "Sid Meiers Civ3"
So maybe he should be little more careful what to take credit for. Or then it is a great game and I just dont like it. ........

I agree he should be more careful on where he splashes his name around...

then I may have put this out before but it really bugs me that companies like Firaxis put out PC games that need patches and expansion kits etc... I donot believe that they would be able to sell to the PlayStation market.... for there is no opportunity to download corrections on PS games...

Could be why I have not seen CivIII for the PS2...!

Solver · October 26, 2003, 09:26

Civ 3 has Sid Meier's name on the box because it's bound to sell way more then. As it has already been pointed out, Pirates 2 are getting so much attention because of Sid's name...

Trust me, if the game was simply called Civ 3, fewer people would buy it.

In 1999, two games like Civ were released. Call to Power, and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. Even initially, before any opinions could come, Alpha Centauri sold more copies because it had Sid's name on the box, while CtP didn't.

laurentius · October 26, 2003, 18:09

It sucks, and is not an excuse.

Paddy · October 26, 2003, 19:31

we are a passionate bunch

Solver · October 27, 2003, 18:08

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It sucks, and is not an excuse.

And it is not an argument.

laurentius · October 28, 2003, 04:20

Well, you say SM writes his name on the box because that way it will sell more. I understand that, but so what? Its it acceptable if the game is crap? I dont think so. Is it good marketing? In the long haul no. What the hell is it then? Its narcissim and overestimating the magic of SM's name. After enough crappy games, it doesnt work anymore. For me it doesnt anymore. After all its already 12 years since Civ1 was released.

Paddy · October 28, 2003, 04:58

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Originally posted by laurentius
Well, you say SM writes his name on the box because that way it will sell more. I understand that, but so what? Its it acceptable if the game is crap? I dont think so. Is it good marketing? In the long haul no. What the hell is it then? Its narcissim and overestimating the magic of SM's name. After enough crappy games, it doesnt work anymore. For me it doesnt anymore. After all its already 12 years since Civ1 was released.

OK, good point, but do you have a strategy for sharing this with the world at large...?

laurentius · October 28, 2003, 05:09

When I become the antichrist I'll let everyone know, I promise

Paddy · October 28, 2003, 05:15

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Originally posted by laurentius
When I become the antichrist I'll let everyone know, I promise

oh

I am dealling with someone who wants to be the anti-christ

excellent...

trouble with that is that when you become the anti-christ you will want to encourage these companies to sucker us more and more

laurentius · October 28, 2003, 05:19

You're right. Maybe I'll just start to sell every game with MR. Meyers name on it

HAHAHAHAHA

Paddy · October 28, 2003, 06:01

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Originally posted by laurentius

You're right. Maybe I'll just start to sell every game with MR. Meyers name on it

HAHAHAHAHA

great...

I can just see the packaging...

Sid, The AntiChrist and a Pirate:

all steering Pirate ships with Cutlasses in their mouths....
all screaming "aye me hearty"

lord of the mark · October 28, 2003, 15:57

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Originally posted by laurentius

exactly my point.

Brian scores 2-1 in the great game compo

Solver: Last time I checked my Civ3 box said "Sid Meiers Civ3"
So maybe he should be little more careful what to take credit for. Or then it is a great game and I just dont like it.

Spiffor: Not all of us are in love with the guy. He started annoy me at the same second I saw his stupid face as my science advisor....Sid fuken jong Il. How narcistic of him.

The reason I think Sid is overrated is because he has in fact made only one good game...Civ 1 most of the other games are just unrelevant crap

Ever play Sid Meier's Gettysburg?

Paddy · October 28, 2003, 23:50

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Originally posted by lord of the mark

Ever play Sid Meier's Gettysburg?

was it any good...?

Panag · October 29, 2003, 12:14

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Originally posted by Paddy the Scot

was it any good...?

hi ,

its a decent game

give it a try ones , copies can sometimes be found at around 10-15 bucks

have a nice day

Brundlefly · November 4, 2003, 16:20

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Originally posted by Paddy the Scot

was it any good...?

I didn't think so, but then I'm not a fan of real-time games. I constantly put on pause to make adjustments to what I'm doing and that was tedious. I always won the battles - I don't see where the challenge was in this game.

Paddy · November 4, 2003, 17:02

thanks for that. I appreciate feedback on games.

laurentius · November 5, 2003, 05:55

So, some people think it is good and somepeople think it's unrelated. Most predictable since opinions vary.
But tell me why would anyone other than american care about any game called Gettysburg? Most people probably dont even know what, where, when and why about Gettysburg. It's not a civ game, its not universal, modifiable, its dated. Unlike civ2 and AC it hasnt stood the test of time.

The question still is wheter Sid Myers means quality or not. I thought it meant but I dont think so anymore.

Asmodean · November 5, 2003, 06:21

So what if his name doesn't mean quality. This is a Civ site, not a Sid Meier site.

But for the record, I like most of the games he has created. Including Civ 3.

And with conquests coming, I have a feeling that more people wil come to like Civ 3.

Asmodean

Peter Triggs · November 5, 2003, 15:48

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In 1999, two games like Civ were released. Call to Power, and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. Even initially, before any opinions could come, Alpha Centauri sold more copies because it had Sid's name on the box, while CtP didn't.

Apparently a lot of CTP1's sales were down to the fact that it was called "Civilization: Call to Power", i.e., it had the word "civilization" in it's title and people thought it was the sequel to Civ2. Actually, in a way, it was.

And as for "Gettysburg", Sid had help on that one too:

http://www.bighugegames.com/team/brianreynolds.html

lord of the mark · November 14, 2003, 16:12

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Originally posted by Feephi

I didn't think so, but then I'm not a fan of real-time games. I constantly put on pause to make adjustments to what I'm doing and that was tedious. I always won the battles - I don't see where the challenge was in this game.

Re pause - i like that, makes more emphasis on thought and less on how fast i can click. And to some degree its realistic. The game plays at roughly 5 times actual "real time" speed, (IE 2 and half hour battle plays in 30 minutes) So you should get extra time to make changes.

As for challenge. I find it challenging even on 3rd (IE fair) level. If highest is too easy, theres always MP (if theres still an MP community for this game) Maybe youre just a better player.

Or maybe you should handicap yourself by NOT constantly pausing to tweak your troops. That might both relieve tedium and make it more challenging.

lord of the mark · November 14, 2003, 16:14

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Originally posted by Peter Triggs

Apparently a lot of CTP1's sales were down to the fact that it was called "Civilization: Call to Power", i.e., it had the word "civilization" in it's title and people thought it was the sequel to Civ2. Actually, in a way, it was.

And as for "Gettysburg", Sid had help on that one too:

http://www.bighugegames.com/team/brianreynolds.html

Quote from the Reynolds bio on the BHG site

"At Firaxis, he contributed to the design of Sid Meier's Gettysburg™(1997)"

CONTRIBUTED - this wasnt a "Brian Reynolds design" like SMAC.

lord of the mark · November 14, 2003, 16:23

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Originally posted by Paddy the Scot

was it any good...?

I think its an excellent game. A highly accurate (I think) recreation of the major engagements from the battle of Gettysburg at the grand tactical (IE regiment/Brigade) level. Includes detailed morale, formations, distance and height effects, leader effects, etc. You can maneuver regiments independently or grouped as brigades. Its real time, but IMHO it works. If you maneuver at brigade level there arent too many units to control, youre not building or researching anything (well D'uh) and the pathfinding works reasonably well. The real time makes playing the game much like watching a civil war movie, except, well, youre commanding (not always controlling

) one side.

An excellent example of 1. Using real time for an historically accurate war game 2. Making a real time game that doesnt play like a typical RTS. 3. Making an historically accurate war game thats fun and that was a reasonably big seller, as historically accurate war games go.

An influence, IIUC, on Shogun: Total war, on Rise of Nations, and on EU.

Definitely a good game, at the very least.