My Brother was called to defend settlements

Sirotnikov · March 17, 2003, 20:36

I'm not 100% sure it's a settlement, but i think it's over the green line, so that would technically make it a settlement in our current dictionary.

My brother is a private and served in the army's construction center, iirc.

But since the army is short on people, he was called for duty.

He is now undergoing training in the south, and will be assigned shortly to guard a small town, a settlement as it appears.

He's supposed to spend there just over a month.

I'm a bit worried. Settlements tend to be soft spots. My mom is even more worried.

My hope is that due to the war, IDF will enter palestinian towns, and possibly enforce some sort of closure. Thus the terrorist bastards will be too busy hiding from IDF patrols, to be dealing with things like planning attacks on settlements.

Lancer · March 17, 2003, 20:41

Why is the army short on people? I thought everybody served over there.

Inverse Icarus · March 17, 2003, 20:41

:sigh:

hope everything goes well for your brother siro, and your people in general.

the sh*t is going to hit the fan soon, i hope Isreal's up for it.

Verto · March 17, 2003, 21:39

Hope for the best for your brother, and soldiers everywhere.

Sirotnikov · March 17, 2003, 21:40

there are only so many people that serve and israel is a small state

plus everyone has to be ready to be called for around a month each year or two (depending on your actual duty)

that is done to both keep people fresh , and fill up needed posts.

you can't only employ youngsters.

Lancer · March 17, 2003, 22:14

You should recruit among jewish communities around the world. Also non jews. I'm sure you would find some willing to help. Start a 'help defend the holyland' campaign.

I hope your brother comes home safe.

Urban Ranger · March 17, 2003, 22:17

Is he against settling the Occupied Territory? If so, he should become a conscientious objector.

Felch · March 17, 2003, 22:26

Hopefully your brother, and the people he'll defend, will be safe.

Keep being brave, Siro, you all have the misfortune of being on the front lines of a very nasty conflict. Just remember you've got friends, and powerful ones at that.

Sava · March 17, 2003, 23:44

Your brother, and the rest of your family has my best hopes and wishes, Siro.

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the sh*t is going to hit the fan soon, i hope Isreal's up for it.

Yup, although I'm more concerned about what Israel would do in retaliation to an attack.

Eli · March 18, 2003, 04:02

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My brother is a private and served in the army's construction center, iirc.

Do they sent jobniks to avtahat yeshuvim now? I didnt know things are that bad.

MRT144 · March 18, 2003, 04:52

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Originally posted by Lancer
You should recruit among jewish communities around the world. Also non jews. I'm sure you would find some willing to help. Start a 'help defend the holyland' campaign.

I hope your brother comes home safe.

they recruited the US government and a bunch of christian fundies...

Ramo · March 18, 2003, 06:53

Hope your brother makes it out safe, Siro.

Traianvs · March 18, 2003, 07:42

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My hope is that due to the war, IDF will enter palestinian towns, and possibly enforce some sort of closure. Thus the terrorist bastards will be too busy hiding from IDF patrols, to be dealing with things like planning attacks on settlements.

Actually, you will have the reverse effect,.. In fact, Palestinians don't like being restricted and being oppressed in all kinds of ways, just like everybody else on this earth. A closure "could" help, though I reckon elite terrorists know their ways how to get into Israel, just like they are doing right now, don't you think? And they would increase their suicide bombings for sure.

That's the whole problem imo, the more military troops you send in, the more hostile they get, which is quite natural of course! Also, you guys probably never have heard of it but: If you treat your population well, they won't complain and you wouldn't have had this conflict, perhaps how I'm saying this now, seems a bit simplistic, but I still think it's true!

Kropotkin · March 18, 2003, 09:13

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Originally posted by Lancer
You should recruit among jewish communities around the world. Also non jews. I'm sure you would find some willing to help. Start a 'help defend the holyland' campaign.

Yes, that's the spirit Lancer. Promoting a international campaign to help break a number of UN articles and resolutions. Why not start simular campaigns to help out in Tibet and West Sahara and Kurdistan while you're at it? Moron...

Az · March 18, 2003, 10:21

actually, It's defending the glorious state of Israel...

Seriously, though, I've heard that, and I am ****ing sick that only a small part of the Miluimnikim has to carry the burdain.

I will be getting these too, after this summer.

Hem Lokhim atudaim le miluim ahshav. Rovaei 02...

KrazyHorse · March 18, 2003, 10:44

I hope he doesn't get hurt.

If I was an Israeli I'd gladly serve inside Israel proper as security, and would probably serve on raids against designated targets inside the Territories (though I disagree with this as a general strategy and see it as a road to continued failure), but I would not serve as point defense for settlements.

They could toss me in jail, but I wouldn't do it.

Eli · March 18, 2003, 11:05

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Hem Lokhim atudaim le miluim ahshav. Rovaei 02...

Atudaim who finished service, right? Not in the middle of the univ.

Az · March 18, 2003, 11:31

Between Simesters, as well. I was excempt this time, since I haven't passed basic training yet.

But guess what am I doing this summer.

Arrian · March 18, 2003, 11:34

Siro,

How does your brother feel about the settlements?

-Arrian

Eli · March 18, 2003, 11:55

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Between Simesters, as well. I was excempt this time, since I haven't passed basic training yet.
But guess what am I doing this summer.

Bah!

Ah well, it's not that bad.

MOBIUS · March 18, 2003, 12:12

Being that he would be guarding illegally held territory, that would make him a legitimate military target...

If I were him, I would ask to be transferred somewhere else, unless he believes in what he's doing.

If he believes in what he's doing, he has to expect that someone will be trying to kill him...

Felch · March 18, 2003, 13:02

Legitimate or illegitimate, the palestinians gladly kill anyone. They're bloodthirsty murderers.

MOBIUS · March 18, 2003, 13:04

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Originally posted by Felch X
Legitimate or illegitimate, the palestinians gladly kill anyone. They're bloodthirsty murderers.

Legitimate or illegitimate, the americans gladly kill anyone. They're bloodthirsty murderers.

MOBIUS · March 18, 2003, 13:05

Legitimate or illegitimate, the papua new guineans gladly kill anyone. They're bloodthirsty murderers.

Felch · March 18, 2003, 13:18

Yeah, so?

You were talking about him being a legitimate military target. I simply said that such things aren't important to the pals. They kill anybody.

Whether or not Americans or anybody else is a bloodthirsty murderer doesn't matter. Palestinians are. Unless you want to refute what I said, shut your trap.

Hueij · March 18, 2003, 14:32

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Palestinians are.

Well, time for an Endlösung then. Got any suggestions?

....

Az · March 18, 2003, 14:54

Godwin's Law!!!!!!!!

KrazyHorse · March 18, 2003, 14:58

Whether the settlements are illegal or not, enemy soldiers are always legitimate military targets in wartime. That's sort of the point.

Arrian · March 18, 2003, 15:01

Blah, this thread is going to shite.

I am actually interested in whether or not Siro's brother has any ethical/moral misgivings about his new assignment.

-Arrian

Az · March 18, 2003, 15:12

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Whether the settlements are illegal or not, enemy soldiers are always legitimate military targets in wartime. That's sort of the point.

Correct.