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Why? Everyone knows (or at least assumes) The US is spying on european governments, companies, and of course the EU.
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March 19, 2003, 11:07
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If its another european nation, then lets hope they weren't stupid enough not to bug themselves !! or maybe they weren't ??
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March 19, 2003, 11:07
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Because of what I said.
Everyone spies on everyone, during a war though you shouldn't be stupid enough to get caught spying on your closest ally
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March 19, 2003, 11:10
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I think it's the Andorran Evil Secret Service 
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March 19, 2003, 11:12
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I rather believe it was the pope's spec ops 
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March 19, 2003, 11:12
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Originally posted by TheStinger
Everyone spies on everyone, during a war though you shouldn't be stupid enough to get caught spying on your closest ally
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It's never effected our relationship with Israel and France.
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March 19, 2003, 11:14
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It's never effected our relationship with Israel and France.
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It would go down like a lead balloon over here
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March 19, 2003, 11:17
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This reminds me of the bugs found in the State Department a couple of years ago. Don't think the retaliation amounted to anything, since I can't even remember who did it.
Yeh, we prosecute Israeli spies more than anybody else, nowadays.
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March 19, 2003, 11:18
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I think it was the Russians.
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March 19, 2003, 11:20
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It was the Spanish Inquisition.
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March 19, 2003, 11:20
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I would have thought that spying on allies is restricted to commercial stuff. I would guess that military stuff is shared anyway. If a CIA/MI6 agent spied on a friendly government when it is cleraly going to embarrass everyone it would be hushed up.
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March 19, 2003, 11:23
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Why? Everyone knows (or at least assumes) The US is spying on european governments
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And vice versa. 
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March 19, 2003, 11:27
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So whaaaaaaaat?! Why would it not be the US? They have every reason to bug phones. To get that info what the French etc are up to. And for other purposes too. I'm 100% sure we do it too. Maybe not bug US phones in those buildings, but spying in other places. Of course we spy each other. We just do it in good understanding, so we don't go crazy if someone gets caught.
The only thing that would indicate someone else than the US would be that it has now become public. I'd think they would just remove those bugs and call them 'damn you' and the US would reply 'sorry mate' and back to work. They spy, we spy...
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March 19, 2003, 11:31
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It seems possible that Russia could also be the culprit (is that what you were saying, Roland, or were you talking about the State Dept bugging?). Aren't Russia and the EU in talks on a range of trade-related and other issues?
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March 19, 2003, 11:36
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I would think the EU's internal security is bollocks, so it could be anyone, including a provate company who could then sell on info to the highest bidder
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March 19, 2003, 11:41
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Even if everyone was in good relations to each other, kissing and hugging, they'd still all spy on each other. It doesn't necessarily mean anything bad blooded, it's just what everyone does..
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March 19, 2003, 12:05
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It seems possible that Russia could also be the culprit (is that what you were saying, Roland, or were you talking about the State Dept bugging?).
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The State Dpt thing.
About the EU's security, AFAIK they're quite sloppy about it. For the EUMC and PSC they had to heavily adapt some building to provide some security from bugging.
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March 19, 2003, 12:40
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Bugs have been discovered at EU offices used by the French and Germans !
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Bugs? Call Terminex
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March 19, 2003, 13:02
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I have to agree that it is someone outside the normal circle someone who does nt have the satelites and interception gear that the US uses (bugs are obsolete if you know about jamming ) its like finding a stabbing victim and accusing that guy over there with the machine gun of murder. Well maybe he has a knife too! but he'd have to have a circumstance that made it the optimal means
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March 19, 2003, 21:16
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Interesting. This all leads me to believe it is Microsoft. They have history with bugs!
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March 19, 2003, 21:36
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DanS - Americans spied on Israel too. We even accidentally (or not) bombed a ship of yours that did just that during 1967.
And anyhoo, you should be thankfull we spy on you and everything else. From what I read, Israel has at times provided the US with info such as top secret politburo protocols.
Also, from what I read, instead of being tied up by beurocracy and political contests, the Israelis actually followed arab terrorists in the USA quite closely, and according to what I read, have even tried to warn the US , several times about something big happennind in September.
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March 19, 2003, 21:54
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DanS - Americans spied on Israel too. We even accidentally (or not) bombed a ship of yours that did just that during 1967.
And anyhoo, you should be thankfull we spy on you and everything else. From what I read, Israel has at times provided the US with info such as top secret politburo protocols.
Also, from what I read, instead of being tied up by beurocracy and political contests, the Israelis actually followed arab terrorists in the USA quite closely, and according to what I read, have even tried to warn the US , several times about something big happennind in September.
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So the jews knew!!! Just what the anti-semites wnated to hear, and from Siro.... 
The problem Siro is that it seems your intellifgence services were more riddled with soviet spies than the US's, and thw POllard case was very damaging. Besides, with all the free info and money we give Israel, whats the deal? Ha Man?
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March 20, 2003, 03:38
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The US, obviously. Could you seriously suspect anybody else?
Let's hope that the EU puts a bit more effort in anti-spy work after this.
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March 20, 2003, 04:58
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If it were us, do you think they'd have found the bugs?
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Yup.
If you are talking about crypto, NSA is probably the best. CIA, on the other hand, isn't quite so hot.
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March 20, 2003, 06:43
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The CIA is the most dumbest Intelligence serive around . The CIA planned and try to carry out the Bay of Pig Fiaso in Cuba when Kenndry was president. The CIA show the plan
to Ike when Ike was president an Ike threw then out of the White House saying this supid plan of your will never work.
Ike planed D-Day in world war II.
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March 20, 2003, 06:50
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It was me, but I plead guilty...with an explanation. You see, I just couldn't get to sleep. I tried drugs, hypnosis, everything, but nothing worked until I discovered the soothing tones of a massive bureacracy inaction. It probably saved my life!
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March 20, 2003, 07:02
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Holy crap. That would be so much easier by just reading the EU's official journal online....
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March 20, 2003, 07:04
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Holy crap. That would be so much easier by just reading the EU's official journal online....
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Not to mention a lot less expensive. Do they have streaming audio? It's the droning on and on that gets me drowsy.
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March 20, 2003, 07:38
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Investigators believe those bugs has been in place since the buildings were constructed almost 10 years ago. But they are state-of-the art devices, so it has to be a very advanced agency.
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March 20, 2003, 08:31
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This could be a numer of countries, but when I read the article the time the US attempted to bug the private plane of the leader of China and were caught sprung to mind...
Though it could also have been Britain, Russia or France...
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