I am protesting the protesters - Page 5

Dis · March 23, 2003, 05:17

what exactly was the U.N. doing about iraq 1 year ago before Bush started pushing them?

That's right. Nothing.

Oh I forgot. Sanctions. The same sanctions the anti-war protestors were against.

Ted Striker · March 23, 2003, 05:17

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Originally posted by Dissident
What really gets me is these people think they are brave. it is not brave to protest in a nation with free speech. To do this in Iraq would be brave

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Kramerman · March 23, 2003, 05:36

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Originally posted by Tingkai

The US lobbied other UN members to pull out of Rwanda. What happened there was as much the fault of the US, if not more, than the UN.

The UN was doing something about Iraq, but the US just wanted an invasion.

ah yes, the uber decisive UN, taking 12 years to accomplish NOTHING in Iraq... but those war mongering americans just got in the way...

Ramo · March 23, 2003, 05:56

You people are *****ing about the "cowardly" protestors when all y'all are doing is sitting in front of your computers. This is rich.

Dis · March 23, 2003, 06:02

some of us were in the military...

granted I was in the safe armed service

. But others here have served in the army.

Face it, you anti-war people are cowards. You fear terrorist attacks, and thusly fear attacking another nation preemptively.

Ramo · March 23, 2003, 06:11

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some of us were in the military...

You clearly aren't right now. You're sitting on your ass right now.

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Face it, you anti-war people are cowards. You fear terrorist attacks, and thusly fear attacking another nation preemptively.

You probably ought to return that mind-reader machine you bought, 'cuz it's not working.

Drake Tungsten · March 23, 2003, 06:14

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You're sitting on your ass right now.

So are you...

Ramo · March 23, 2003, 06:15

I'm not calling anyone a coward.

Dis · March 23, 2003, 06:17

you just called me a coward because I'm sitting on my ass in front of a computer.

Drake Tungsten · March 23, 2003, 06:17

How does sitting in front of a computer at night make you ineligible to call people cowards? Diss could've been out all day killing Iraqis with his bare hands for all you know...

It seems like the comments have hit a nerve with you. You should never let em know that they've gotten to you...

Kramerman · March 23, 2003, 06:23

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
How does sitting in front of a computer at night make you ineligible to call people cowards? Diss could've been out all day killing Iraqis with his bare hands for all you know...

It seems like the comments have hit a nerve with you. You should never let em know that they've gotten to you...

i love that "

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Kramerman · March 23, 2003, 06:23

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Originally posted by Ramo

You people are *****ing about the "cowardly" protestors when all y'all are doing is sitting in front of your computers. This is rich.

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Ramo · March 23, 2003, 06:32

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you just called me a coward because I'm sitting on my ass in front of a computer.

I did? Where? I'm just pointing the inconsistency.

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How does sitting in front of a computer at night make you ineligible to call people cowards? Diss could've been out all day killing Iraqis with his bare hands for all you know...

Yes, right. Because Apolyton after all is where everyone goes to after completing a risky military operation.

[quote]It seems like the comments have hit a nerve with you. You should never let em know that they've gotten to you..[quote]

Damn, you found me out.

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Dis · March 23, 2003, 06:34

anyways back to the original point.

Explain to me how protestors are so brave for what they are doing. It's easy to be brave when you have 100,000 people backing you up.

I would feel different if there was only 1 person against the war and he protested in front of everyone who was for it. Now that would be brave.

I happen to think that the the pro-war people who stand up to the anti-war protestors are more brave, because they are in the minority.

Drake Tungsten · March 23, 2003, 06:35

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Because Apolyton after all is where everyone goes to after completing a risky military operation.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that MtG does a little special ops on the side...

Ramo · March 23, 2003, 06:43

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Explain to me how protestors are so brave for what they are doing. It's easy to be brave when you have 100,000 people backing you up.

They aren't necessarily brave. And there aren't too many protests that net 100,000 people.

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I happen to think that the the pro-war people who stand up to the anti-war protestors are more brave, because they are in the minority.

Last I checked, pro-war people made up ~76% of the population.

Dis · March 23, 2003, 07:10

yes but those lazy rednecks don't rally and show their support

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most people in the streets with signs are anti-war.

Spiffor · March 23, 2003, 09:31

I would like to dispel a myht about anti-war protests. I was yesterday at Paris' rally, with 100,000 protestors, and I have seen some things very oppsite to the pro-war beliefs. I have also seen things very true with those.

Myth #1 : only spoiled youth is in pro-peace rallies.
Left wing politcial parties were a big part of the rally, and their population isn't all youth. In the communist party, to which I belong, there were many middle-aged workers, office employees or retired people. There were young people as well, but not as nearly as "oldbies". In less old parties, there were sure youth, but middle-aged and old people were still present, and maybe a majority. Only the 'hip' parties and groups were clearly young.
However, When I distributed tracts in front of highschool, many highschoolers seemed to be prone to go demonstrate because it's fun. The tidbit I love most (a girl arguing with a pro-war mate) : "We have to go to prove the youth won't accept oppression like this"

In short, there is some spoiled youth in the rallies, but it is completely wrong to say they are the only ones, or even the most in numbers.

Myth #2 : Anti-war people are just anti-Bush
There is a strong correlation indeed. The word "Bush" and "Blair" have been very, very much shouted in the protest. However, the very cause protesters don't like Bush or Blair is because of the war (Bush can be hated for other reasons, but Blair definitely because of his involvement in the war), and these people incarnate the war.
In Europe, there was quite an anti-Bush feeling after Kyoto (I know his Senate is different than him, but I learned it on this forum), but I have seen anti-blairism extremely rarely. The chanting against Bush and Blair in these protests came solely from the war.
There is a much stronger anti-war feeling than an anti-Bush feeling though, at least in the part of the Demo where I was. Kosovo-war old "war is such stupidity" signs (poor translation), phrases such as "Solidarity with all people on Earth" or "Bush, Blair, Stop the war", have shown a real concern against the war, rather than hatemongering against Bush or Blair.
In short, yes Bush and Blair get hated, but it comes from their involvement in the war.

Myth #3 : protesters just hate America
There was very little hate towards the US in the 2 protests I went to. However, it would be a lie if I told you it was completely absent. There have been some very marginal actions, but they did exist. The windows of a McDonald's have been broken by anarchists thursday (the police only attacked those anarchists, since the rest of the protest didn't support them). We could see fliers calling for a boycott of American products, and even fliers calling for an intifada from Baghdad to Paris. However, no American flag has been burnt.
In short : yes, antiamericanism is present to some extent. It is however very marginal.

Myth #4 : protesters do not attack Saddam
As much as I hate to admit it, it is true. I haven't heard any single phrase referring to Saddam. It has been even more awkward when I hears paroles like "Bush assasino, Blair assasino, Aznar assasino" etc., but which didn't attack Saddam (despite attacking Chirac

) This group was marginal (never heard the name before), but its public was entirely youth, which is worrying.
Worse, I have seen a loonie with a sign saying : "Kofi Annan, quit ! Iraq has been free for centuries". The sheer stupidity of the content made me think he is a loonie, but it is worrying people think like that at all. I haven't seen or heard any Saddam apologist though.
It is sad, because it gives the opposition to Saddam only to the pro-war side.

Lincoln · March 23, 2003, 09:48

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Originally posted by Dissident
what exactly was the U.N. doing about iraq 1 year ago before Bush started pushing them?

That's right. Nothing.

Oh I forgot. Sanctions. The same sanctions the anti-war protestors were against.

Don't expect much consistancy here. They want us all to sit around in a circle and sing "We are the world.." If that doesn't work then we can all just "visualize world peace." Yea! that will probably work...

Robert Plomp · March 23, 2003, 09:51

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Originally posted by Ramo

You people are *****ing about the "cowardly" protestors when all y'all are doing is sitting in front of your computers. This is rich.

It's pretty dangerous in these days to be pro-war.
The anti-war fundamentalists are ready to put you in the "most evil group of human beings" after you said one word in support of Bush.

Gangerolf · March 23, 2003, 11:08

anti war demo in oslo saturday. funny how anti war demos always turn violent

started out peacefully

then it got ugly

****ing ****ers think they're in gaza or something

the police retaliates

and they all lived happily ever after

Willem · March 23, 2003, 11:14

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Originally posted by Ramo

Last I checked, pro-war people made up ~76% of the population.

Yeah right, 76% of the world is pro-war, that's a stretch. Why then are most of the members of your coalition afraid to show their faces? Here in Canada, it's more like 76% opposed. But then I guess we don't count when it comes to international decisions, we're just America's serfs.

August Borms · March 23, 2003, 11:16

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Originally posted by Gangerolf
anti war demo in oslo saturday. funny how anti war demos always turn violent

Looks similar to anti-war protests in Belgium.
Do the anti-war protestors in your country praise the Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah and shout slogans that all jews should be gassed too, like here in Belgium?

General Ludd · March 23, 2003, 11:23

Nothing like that has happened in Toronto. All the protestors act civilized, and the riot cops hide themselves from view in ominous white transport trucks parked all along the roads.

General Ludd · March 23, 2003, 11:25

Why do a few stones bother them so much, anyways? They've got shields, armour, and all that crap. They probably don't even notice them.

Gangerolf · March 23, 2003, 11:29

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Do the anti-war protestors in your country praise the Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah and shout slogans that all jews should be gassed too, like here in Belgium?

Luckily no, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of them did that.

Gangerolf · March 23, 2003, 11:37

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Nothing like that has happened in Toronto. All the protestors act civilized, and the riot cops hide themselves from view in ominous white transport trucks parked all along the roads.

what happened was that the protestors were heading for the american embassy. when the police blocked the street, some "bad seeds" started to throw stones at them and all hell broke lose

SpencerH · March 23, 2003, 11:56

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Originally posted by Dissident
I'm dissappointed no one has found a problem with my flag.

anyone know what this means?

Usually a upside down flag means 'in need of assistance' ie SOS.

Apologies if someone else has answered your question, but after reading a page of the repetitive puerile comments I gave up.

General Ludd · March 23, 2003, 12:12

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Originally posted by Gangerolf

what happened was that the protestors were heading for the american embassy. when the police blocked the street, some "bad seeds" started to throw stones at them and all hell broke lose

Why'd they stop them from going to the ebmassy? Sounds like a combination of poor organization on the protester's part, and an aggresive show of force on the cop's part.

DinoDoc · March 23, 2003, 13:45

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Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
nice try, but that was MArch 15th, not 20th.

The real difference being what?