March 24, 2003, 10:59
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Can someone please invade Zimbabwe?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2881093.stm
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'Brutal' Zimbabwe crackdown
The strike was marred by violent incidents
Opposition groups in Zimbabwe say that government security forces have arrested and beaten hundreds of people following last week's widely observed general strike.
Amnesty International says that up to 500 people have been detained in "a new and dangerous phase of repression".
President Robert Mugabe has promised "greater action" against the opposition Movement for Democratic Change.
The BBC's Barnaby Philips in Johannesburg says that all the evidence points to a new crackdown of unprecedented brutality.
'Children assaulted'
A doctor working in a hospital in Harare said more than 250 people have been treated there after being beaten by the security forces; many had broken fingers or toes, some had broken legs.
Two women described how men in military uniforms stripped them, beat them, and used guns to sexually abuse them.
The MDC says that children of opposition activists have been assaulted.
Lawyer and director of the publishers of the Daily News Gugulethu Moyo says she was beaten by five men in Harare central police station after going there to enquire about a Daily News photographer who had been arrested.
"The cells were so full I had to stand, which was okay because my backside was so bruised I could not lie down," she said.
Zimbabwean police spokesmen Bothwell Mugariri said about 400 opposition members have been arrested since last week's strike.
He said many had been charged with malicious injury to property.
During the strike, stones were thrown at passing cars and a bus was set on fire.
The police also say that the offices of the ruling Zanu-PF party were set on fire in Chinhoyi, north of Harare, while explosives were found in the central town of Kadoma.
By-elections
Zimbabwean human rights activist Tony Reeler says the attacks are focused on the MDC's local leadership.
Following the strike, the MDC gave Mr Mugabe until 31 March to agree to 15 demands including ending torture and depoliticising the police force or face further "popular mass action".
Tension is rising in the capital, Harare, ahead of two by-elections this weekend in seats the MDC won easily in June 2000 elections.
Zimbabwe, once a regional breadbasket, now has massive unemployment, long fuel and bread queues and inflation of more than 200%.
Up to half the population, some seven million people, need food aid according to donors.
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Man, this is  We shouldn´t forget what´s going on in other parts of the world these days....
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March 24, 2003, 11:11
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I only hope the unrest will succeed. Mugabe is along the worst scum living on this earth.
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March 24, 2003, 11:19
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No oil = no invasion. It is not politically correct to invade a country just to secure a safe supply of tobacco. 
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March 24, 2003, 11:26
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From a more serious viewpoint no Western country is going to want to put troops into the middle of the southern africa AIDS crisis.
No african country has shown any real interest in putting an end to Mugabe's regime and none of the neighbouring countries seem likely to either intervene or host an intervention by others. Mugabe has played the "fellow africans, help me whilst my country is being oppressed by the British" card very well. Even the French are prepared to deal with him and overlook what is going on on the ground.
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March 24, 2003, 11:33
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I did not think he was that popular. I heard French diplomats had a hard time with African diplomats at the latest French-African summit, where Mugabe was invited. However, I did not think about ones' and others' motives... Anybody has thoughts on what's going on there, if the Africans are that tolerant to Mugabe, and why ?
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March 24, 2003, 11:33
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Re: Can someone please invade Zimbabwe?
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Originally posted by BeBro
Man, this is We shouldn´t forget what´s going on in other parts of the world these days....
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If the French were able to convince the EU into granting an exception to the sanctions placed upon him, how bad can he be. 
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March 24, 2003, 11:37
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Chiraq did it to annoy Blair( he's a very principaled man)
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March 24, 2003, 11:39
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If the French were able to convince the EU into granting an exception to the sanctions placed upon him, how bad can he be.
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Yeah, that was crap. It was however only one exception regarding Mugabe´s visit in Paris (unilaterally  decided by the French), all other EU sanctions are in still place.
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March 24, 2003, 11:42
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The international community certainly need to act. The atrocities in Zimbabwe are appalling and we can't sit here and cover our ears and our eyes.
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March 24, 2003, 11:46
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Originally posted by BeBro
(unilaterally decided by the French),
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Horror! 
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March 24, 2003, 11:47
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I saw something like this coming
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March 24, 2003, 11:47
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I wonder if the problem is that Mugabe can only be dealt with with the co-operation of African countries and there are quite a few African leaders who will not be keen to co-operate because they are afraid they might be next on the list for intervention. That is enough to block ny African or Commonwealth initiative on the matter.
The sooner Mugabe is dealt with the better - and I don't mean allowing him an amnesty or a safe haven elsewhere to live off the money he and his chief supporters have stolen.
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March 24, 2003, 11:48
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The sooner Mugabe is dealt with the better - and I don't mean allowing him an amnesty or a safe haven elsewhere to live off the money he and his chief supporters have stolen.
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If there's no other alternative I'd rather that happens and Zimbabwe be allowed to get back on it's feet than for the reign of terror to continue.
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March 24, 2003, 11:49
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Chiraq did it to annoy Blair( he's a very principaled man)
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More seriously, what are the EU sanctions on Zimbabwe ?
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March 24, 2003, 11:51
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Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
The international community certainly need to act. The atrocities in Zimbabwe are appalling and we can't sit here and cover our ears and our eyes.
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Zimbabwe is not an danger to the surrounding countries, if the international community need to
intervene then Zimbabwe should be UN mandated
instead of setting up another dictatorship in waiting.
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March 24, 2003, 11:52
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Don´t know about the UN, but EU has a weapons embargo, finance stop and some other things I forgot
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March 24, 2003, 11:56
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Originally posted by BeBro
some other things I forgot
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Yer not the only one, the French seem to "forgot" the
travel ban on Mugabe.
I wonder if they've forgotten the weapons embargo, and finance stop too?
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March 24, 2003, 12:00
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I saw something like this coming
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I'll stop now.
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March 24, 2003, 14:06
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I know it's not PC to say so, but history has shown pretty well
that Zimbabwe was a happier place when it was Rhodesia.
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March 24, 2003, 14:22
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There's no oil in Zimbabwe.
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March 24, 2003, 14:46
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you guys don't realize how difficult it is to invade African nations.
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March 24, 2003, 14:54
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Originally posted by MrFun
There's no oil in Zimbabwe.
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March 24, 2003, 20:37
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But they must have something useful there...
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dirt?
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March 24, 2003, 20:41
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Don't they have some vital ingredient to make cell phones? Very expensive and very rare.
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Ohh, and we are not getting back there.., we just left the damned place!
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March 24, 2003, 20:43
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Damn, that´s what I get for spamming my own thread....
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March 24, 2003, 21:12
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March 24, 2003, 21:13
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you guys don't realize how difficult it is to invade African nations.
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Even Israelis managed to invade Uganda once
And can anyone give me an example where a weapons embargo actually helped to contain the crisis anywhere in the world? It is a special tool to hurt the unederdog.
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March 24, 2003, 21:22
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Why don't you Euros take care of it...
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You sincerely imagine France agreeing with Britain ? 
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March 24, 2003, 22:35
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Originally posted by CerberusIV
No oil = no invasion. It is not politically correct to invade a country just to secure a safe supply of tobacco.
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No blood for oil, meat, nitrates, coffee, chocolate, fruit, or tobacco!!! 
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