Islam as religion of peace

muxec · April 5, 2003, 06:53

One of my best friends is muslim. She says, that Islam is really religion of peace, if it is not guided by dictators and fanatics. The Iraqi Islam is not the Islam from the Koran. Suicide bombers are not mentioned in Koran.

Explain your opinion on the topic here.

The Mad Monk · April 5, 2003, 06:57

Where is true Islam practiced, then?

Archaic · April 5, 2003, 07:07

Case in point.
- Islam includes the OT of the Bible in its teachings.
- Islam therefore worships a god who is clearly responsible for mass murder, and encouraging the Hebrews to conquer (Read "Rape, pillage and slaughter") the Cannites.
- Islam is therefore not a religion of peace.

What more do you need?

I will give Islam one thing though. It's more of a religion of peace than Christanity. Afterall, the Christian god ordered his followers to kill all those of a different religion, including family members, friends and even their cattle, whereas the Moslem god simply required the enslaving of nonbelievers. (Deuteronomy 13:6-15 and Koran 9:29)

muxec · April 5, 2003, 07:07

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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Where is true Islam practiced, then?

In minds of really religious people. It's islam that was educated with no violence, with no pressure.

muxec · April 5, 2003, 07:12

To Archaic: tehy killed foreigners not because rheir religion is different, but because they commited crimes against humanity and not only against other god.

Wernazuma III · April 5, 2003, 07:17

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Originally posted by muxec

In minds of really religious people. It's islam that was educated with no violence, with no pressure.

Every religion claims to want nothing but peace. And peaceful followers of any certain religion cannot but call all more violent versions of their faith "abusing religion", being "not truly religious" etc.

Sure Islam wants peace. And there will be peace when the whole world will be ruled by muslims - see?

Az · April 5, 2003, 07:21

muxec: kto eto tvoya znakomaya?

Wernazuma III · April 5, 2003, 07:22

BTW., there's no special "Iraqi islam". All muslim nations are highly intolerant towards non-believers - even towards the ahl al-kitab (people of the book - Christians and Jews and Zoroastrians and "Sabeans"), at least judged by our standards of religious liberties. According to several muslim schools of law, other religious groups beside muslims and ahl al-kitab do not have a right of existance in a muslim country (shiites believe so, but also shafiite and other sunnites).

Aro · April 5, 2003, 07:26

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Originally posted by Wernazuma III

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Sure Islam wants peace. And there will be peace when the whole world will be ruled by muslims - see?

Changing two words:

"Sure USA wants peace. And there will be peace when the whole world will be ruled by USA - see?"

MRT144 · April 5, 2003, 07:33

its funny because its true

Zevico · April 5, 2003, 07:54

"Sure USA wants peace. And there will be peace when the whole world will be ruled by USA - see?"

What an utter load of rubbish. Why do people make these tasteless jokes which send a negative message and yet do not back it up in any way whatsoever.
As to Islam being a religion of peace-so is every other religion, provided you interpret it the way you want to (not that I do not say correctly, as there is no 'correct' interprettation).

muxec · April 5, 2003, 07:57

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Originally posted by Azazel
muxec: kto eto tvoya znakomaya?

She is from Turkmenistan. I love her (really) . She is not very religious (not like haredim). You can meet her, if she is not mind.

muxec · April 5, 2003, 07:58

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"Sure USA wants peace. And there will be peace when the whole world will be ruled by USA - see?"

I hope, that USA will "liberate" the whole world.

Archaic · April 5, 2003, 08:10

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Originally posted by muxec
To Archaic: tehy killed foreigners not because rheir religion is different, but because they commited crimes against humanity and not only against other god.

If you'd like to make yourself more coherient, I'll gladly debate you on the point. Personally, I find many of your justifications (There was 1 rape gang in Sodom (Which Lot gave his virgin daughters to instead of the guests. Guess they're not as important to him because they're women, even though they're his own relations, eh? [And let's not forget the fact that they'll later have his children after his wife turns to salt]), and apparently some people liked Anal sex......geez, it's a wonder all the major cities on earth are still standing with standards like that.

Az · April 5, 2003, 08:14

muxec: ne day yey tebe golovu zadurit'.

muxec · April 5, 2003, 08:19

To Archaic: not because of rapers, but because of citizen support them.
My tanah teacher, who i respect a lot, says that there are two sides of religion: belief and demonstration. Yeshayahu says, that god want no demonstration without real belief and good acts. Also he mention that not the whole nation suffer from several "bad" people, but the whole nation suffer from their own crimes. But some haredime here can not understand it

FrustratedPoet · April 5, 2003, 08:20

As many others have said, but some people still seem to wilfully ignore: there is no such thing as 'true Islam', just like there is no such thing as 'true Christianity'.

Islam isn't fundamentially any more or less violent than Christianity. The capacity for people to commit atrocities in the name of their God is not affected by denomination.

muxec · April 5, 2003, 08:22

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Originally posted by Azazel
muxec: ne day yey tebe golovu zadurit'.

Ona pushistaja, ja ejo ochen' lublu.

Ona hotela byt' pilotom v IDF, no ejo ne prinjali. Pozzhe ona skazala chto eto k luchshemu i chto u nejo ruka by ne povernulas bombit' svoih.

Aro · April 5, 2003, 08:23

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Originally posted by Zevico
"Sure USA wants peace. And there will be peace when the whole world will be ruled by USA - see?"

What an utter load of rubbish. Why do people make these tasteless jokes which send a negative message and yet do not back it up in any way whatsoever.

We make those tasteless jokes because we're not Americans (well, we are... South Americans, not North Americans!

) and we're afraid. Don't you know?

We don't have so much oil (yeah, right, it's not about oil) here in Brazil, but we have the Amazonia and... water. A great percentage of all potable water of the world... It's a very dangerous situation!

Please, Mr. Bush, don't read this!

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As to Islam being a religion of peace-so is every other religion, provided you interpret it the way you want to (not that I do not say correctly, as there is no 'correct' interprettation).

I agree.

Az · April 5, 2003, 08:27

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Ona pushistaja, ja ejo ochen' lublu.

nazdorovoye.

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Ona hotela byt' pilotom v IDF, no ejo ne prinjali. Pozzhe ona skazala chto eto k luchshemu i chto u nejo ruka by ne povernulas bombit' svoih.

eto ploho. ya to dumal shto ona nas za svoih chetayet.

muxec · April 5, 2003, 08:28

The real islam exist. I belive so. Muslim fanatic are simply people with washed up brains.

P.S: please avoid saying so. I was banned for saying unseriously that Islam is religion of war.

muxec · April 5, 2003, 08:31

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eto ploho. ya to dumal shto ona nas za svoih chetayet.

Ona nas za svoih tozhe schitaet.

Az · April 5, 2003, 08:41

klass, mi vse svoyi!

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muxec · April 5, 2003, 08:57

2Azazel: Stopudovo

2Everybody else: I said Azazel that my muslim friend is gonna serve in IDF and she failed ti be a pilot. She says "it's good, i'll never bomb motherland"

Az · April 5, 2003, 09:05

"motherland" eto ne pravilnoye virojeniye dlya togo shto ti skazal.

Elok · April 5, 2003, 09:19

I wouldn't say that it's a "religion of war," whatever the devil that would mean, but seeing as Mohammed himself used war as a means to expand the faith to most of the Arabian peninsula before he died, and his immediate successors carried on the expansion for about a hundred years afterward, I don't think you can call Islam intrinsically peaceful either. I'm not trying to smear the religion here, just stating the facts so far as I know.

Sava · April 5, 2003, 09:38

The meaning of religion is in the eyes of the beholder.

Evil people will twist a religion to suit their agenda. They will use it to justify suicide bombing, or they will use it to justify going to war.

Good people interpret religion in a peaceful manner.

The religion is irrelevant, really. People only use it as a tool to justify their actions. Without religion, something else would be used to justify violence.

Az · April 5, 2003, 09:52

I oppose religion on two grounds:

1)It's a lie.
2)It's used as a tool by either bad people, or people that think they're good, but really are bad.

That's rather vague, but that's it.

Archaic · April 5, 2003, 10:18

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Originally posted by muxec
To Archaic: not because of rapers, but because of citizen support them.

And you can back that up with scripture verses? Please find me one instance where it says all the people of Gomorrah supported the rapists, or quite frankly, where it even says that they're rapists besides where Lot offers the mob his daughters. (Generally, "that we may know them" would be more along the lines of wanting to meet them then raping, wouldn't you agree? But then we get into semantics, the accuracy of the translation, and the time period.)

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Originally posted by muxec
My tanah teacher, who i respect a lot, says that there are two sides of religion: belief and demonstration. Yeshayahu says, that god want no demonstration without real belief and good acts.

Which contradicts all the scripture that says that salvation is by faith alone. (Though doesn't contradict all the scripture that says that salvation isn't by faith alone. Don't you love contradictions?)

April 5, 2003, 10:25

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Originally posted by Aro

Changing two words:

"Sure USA wants peace. And there will be peace when the whole world will be ruled by USA - see?"

I'll take the USA's rule over Islam, ANY DAY.