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Old April 6, 2003, 16:23   #1
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Live in Florida? Of middle-eastern descent? NO STUDENT AID FOR YOU!
This is just sickening.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...857EST0694.DTL

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A bill before the Florida Legislature would ban state aid to university and college students who are citizens of countries on the State Department's list of nations that sponsor terrorism.

The proposal was drafted by state Rep. Dick Kravitz, who said he doesn't like the idea that the United States is educating people who will return to regimes that oppose America.

"In these hard times we need to put as much taxpayer money as possible into programs for residents of the state of Florida who are citizens."

The bill would bar state aid from going to university students from six of the seven countries on the State Department list: Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya and North Korea.

Cuba is also on the list but was amended out of the bill. Florida, of course, has a large Cuban population.
Muslim students say it unfairly targets them. Hadia Mubarak, the president of the Muslim Students Association at Florida State University, says it is discriminatory because most countries on the list are Islamic.

"What he's saying is if you're born in Libya or Syria you're more likely to be a terrorist than anyone else," Mubarak said.

According to the Department of Education, state universities and community colleges used $308,717 to provide financial aid to 822 students from the original seven countries on the federal list in 2001 and 2002.
The bill has been approved by the House Higher Education Committee but still needs the OK of four other committees.

Victor Johnson, public policy director at the Association of International Educators, which promotes international education, said he didn't know of any other states targeting aid to foreign students.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations calls students from the affected nations "innocent bystanders," said Ahmed Bedier, the group's spokesman in Tampa. "They have nothing to do with terrorism," he said.
Kravitz argues that students from terrorist dictatorships aren't poor and may even be related to government officials.

"It is naive to think that any of them are not well-to-do or connected to the regime in power," he said.
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This bill won't pass. It might have a chance immediately after 911.
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Kravitz argues that students from terrorist dictatorships aren't poor and may even be related to government officials.
"It is naive to think that any of them are not well-to-do or connected to the regime in power," he said.
"We can't be bothered to do adequate background checks so will ban student aid to every s***-n***** who comes our way."
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I worked with a girl from Iran when I was in college. The whole time she didn't even blow up one building! I felt so ripped off. She's probably in Tehran right now, using her ill-gotten knowledge of Graphic Design to help the regime plot the downfall of the West.

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Cuba is also on the list but was amended out of the bill. Florida, of course, has a large Cuban population.
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Old April 6, 2003, 17:18   #6
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I hope this won't suggestion won't become reality. It will only create hatred amongst good people from bad countries.
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Wow ever since the millenium the stupidity out of Florida has just seemed to increase dramatically.
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"millenium"

Actually, that's "millennium." 2 I's, 2 L's, 2 M's, and 2 N's.

Something tells me Mr. Kravitz is likely from the NW part of the state... the part that borders Alabama.
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Someone had better stand up to these ****in self-righteous bastards.
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yes, let's give the people from those countries a good taste of democracy and equality!

btw, thanks ixnay!
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It's not descent, Ixnay, it's citizenship. And although it should be on a case by case business, it's up to Florida how they spend their money.
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Really stupid. I understand every country has the right to choose where their taxpayer's money goes to but if that is going to be the criteria then no student aid should be given at all to any citizen of any foreign country.

But frankly, this kind of stuff does not surprise me coming from the country where "all men are created equal"
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What party is this state senator a member of?
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I wonder how these potential intelligence gatherers for the CIA feel about having their student aid cut.
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God, people, why don't y'all do a little research?

http://www.patrioticapaam.org/sys-tmpl/saynotoh665/

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VICTORY over Florida Proposed Bill H665

Hello Friends,

I am happy to report to you that Florida State Proposed House Bill H665, sponsored by Florida State Representative **** Dravitz has DIED in COMMITTEE!

I would like to thank all of you for your support in defeating this bill. As Americans, we are passionate about protecting the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution and the "Bill of Rights" of the United States of America. We understood all along throughout this process, concerning H665, that the Constitution provides every human being on American soil "Equal Protection". However, as stated by **** Kravitz, the Bill of Rights only guarantees "Equal Protection" to US Citizens. How wrong he was! He was debated on this very fact by myself, you all, and his own District. His own district's newspaper, article written by Matthew I. Pinzur, Times Union Staff Writer of The Jacksonville TimesUnion disagreed with his statements and purpose of this Bill. Read entire article: http://www.apaam.org/sys-tmpl/jacsonvilletimesunion/

We would also like to thank those Florida State Legislatures who voted to oppose this "unconstitutional" Bill. Democracy prevailed for us all.
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Education Appropriations (FRC) -HJ 00274 03/22/02 HOUSE Died in Committee on Education Appropriations (FRC)

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Session/i...2&BillNum=0665

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And here's the Bill itself:

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Section 1.

Notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, no funds from general revenue, the lottery, or financial aid fee revenues shall be used to provide student financial assistance in the form of scholarships, fellowships, grants, loans, tuition or fee waivers, or other financial assistance to any nonresident alien student who is enrolled in a Florida public postsecondary institution and who is a citizen of any country that has been identified by the United States Department of State as terrorist or supporting terrorism. A student's country of citizenship shall be determined at the time of a student's enrollment.

LEGISLATIVE SUMMARY

Prohibits funds from general revenue, the lottery, or financial aid fee revenues to be used to provide financial assistance to specified nonresident alien students.

Syria, Libia, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, N. Korea, and Cuba
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And here is the progress of the bill through the committee. Note that the damn thing died more than a FRIGGIN' YEAR AGO!!!!!

http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/inde...2&BillNum=0665
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this is a way of boycotting terrorist dictatorships - denying their elite proper western education

well not necessarily denying it, but maybe making it a bit harder for them
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Boy, is my face red.

That's what I get for copying links from another forum without doing adequate research about what exactly I am linking.
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it should not be proposed in the first place
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Florida has a rather large Arabic population. Jacksonville apparently has a large Syrian population.

Ever see the Twilight Zone show, "There Are Monsters on Main Street"? As Pogo said, "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

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True, MarkG, but crap like this goes on in every Western democracy - it's called "pandering to the voters."
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Our votes don't count in Florida.
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Only if you live in Palm Beach county. We're not holding elections there in 04.
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this is a way of boycotting terrorist dictatorships - denying their elite proper western education

well not necessarily denying it, but maybe making it a bit harder for them
If those were the elite I doubt they truly would need scholarships.
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