The Reunification of Sheepsta begins.

[Sheep]

occ: I would like the passwords to North and South Sheepsta. The three nations will be considered as Unified Sheepsta with the NS versions as provinces.

Since the court verdict and the favourable vote to the reuinfication of the Sheepstan people the, citizens of Sheepsta with much celebration have begun the ardous jouirney of true reuinfication.

The first act was to constituite an interim government over all of Sheepsta where government representatives from the three provinces are to be sent. They will be responsibe for designing the new national flag. Setting up the new constintuion and eliminating the diffrences that have occured from 5 years of occupation.

The capital of what will soon be known as Unified Sheepsta has been placed on the town of Chopsu, that lies on the border of all three provinces. The area around the new capital will be henceforward known as the Sheepstan Capital Territory or the SCT.

[Sheep]

++++UPDATE++++++

The interim government of Sheepsta has annopunced the formation of the Unified constiution. Here is a summary


FREEDOMS
** All people are considered to free and equal. They have the freedom from oppression, to choose religion and the right of assembly. The also have the freedom of free speach.

GOVERNMENT
** The Unfied Sheepstan goivernment shall be divided into local, provinvcial and federal. Local governments will be concerned with roads and local services. Their revenue is rates and froim the provincial governments. Provincial governments will be concenred with the province only and gather thier income from a 5% Provinical Income Tax and the federal government. The federak government will be concerned with the entire nation, overseas affairs and national defence. Their income is from tariffs, taxes and the like.

Defence
**
The Unified Army will be made up of the armies of New Sheepsta, North Sheepsta and South Sheepsta. They will be placed under the control of the Sheepstan President and shall be tasked with the defence of Sheepsta. The Commander in Chief of the Armed forces will always be the President.

etc etc

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Sheep
occ: I would like the passwords to North and South Sheepsta. The three nations will be considered as Unified Sheepsta with the NS versions as provinces.

How can you have different nations, under different laws, but have them as a Unified Sheepsta? The people voted to have those nations destroyed, and for you to be leader of all of Sheepsta. Why would you want them? If you are going to keep them as seperate nations, you are going against what the people voted, if you wish to unite them, then you cannot keep the seperate nations alive. North and South Sheepsta were set up by Archaic, and are both heavily capitalist (Corporate Bordello IIRC) and so bear no resemblance to Sheepsta. If you want colonies (as everyone seems to ATM, what did I start ) then start them up, but the people voted to unify Sheepsta, not to keep it broken up but under your control.

[Sheep]

The new Unified flag flies a tri colour to show the three provinces of Sheepsta. The colours signify, green, for the forrests abnd jungles of Sheepsta, Red for the bloody past of Sheepsta and blue to signify the water surrounding the island.

The yellow circle in the middle with a S, signifies the new SCT, like a sun rising the new Sheepstan state from the ashes of war centered around the new capital of Chopsu. The S stands for Sheepsta

[Sheep]

occ: No Drouge yopu don;t get me. The fact is that the provinces in the Unfied Sheepsta shall be just rovinces. In time they shall grow closer together. However this like in RL does take time.

'want to be part of a Unified Sheepsta with all the Sheepstan people (Destroy North and South Sheepsta, and create a "Unified Sheepsta", or RP all into New Sheepsta' Was the option. I am RP it all into Unfied Sheepsta. They will probably not be a Unfied Sheepsta on NS for some time, however they will be unfied where it counts, here at Apolyton.

[Drogue]

RP all into New Sheepsta means you don't have to create a Unified Sheepsta, you can keep New Sheepsta, and RP the rest into it. However, if they are just provinces, they are not seperate nations. A nation is just a boundary, and thus if they are now part of New Sheepsta, it may take time to unify them, but they are already in the same nation, and thus are not seperate nations, with seperate governments. Also, it was asked that unless the people specifically vote for you or Archaic to keep those nations, they be left to run out. Since the people did not vote to give them to someone, they will be as such. Yes it will take time to RP them into a unity (and as much time as you need, it's all up you) they are not seperate nations anymore, and so should not exist as seperate nations.

Provinces don't have their own nations.

[Sheep]

No the way I am doin g it is that New Sheepsta, North and Sotuh Sheepsta are now co-opertating on how best to unify, to cause less damage to the Sheepstan people. Unified Sheepsta will be comprosided of autonomous provinces with the power to overule the federal government if they all agree. Hence the provinces may be on NS but they are not seperate entities but they are still needed for my plan to work. Sheepsta is not New Sheepsta as much as its not North or South Sheepsta. Only through unification can Sheepsta exist. Therefore I ask you to give me North and South Sheepsta.

[Drogue]

I see what you mean. I disagree about them being their own nation, under a federal government, as well as being one nation, run as 3 different nations. Although I may agree with what you want to do, there are 2 reasons against it. In the court poll, the people did not vote to give you control, and I was specifically asked that if they didn't, I should not give you control. Archaic started these nations in RL, and as such, he can say he doesn't want someone to have them. However, in RP terms, you can do what you wish now. So please RP it as such, but I cannot give you the passwords, so you cannot change issues or such like. I am sorry, but legally I cannot give you the passwords.

[Sheep]

Then I shall wait into Anarchic comes online til I ask him. Thanks anyways.

[Sheep]

The President of Unified Sheepsta has been elected. Nigel Stillman of the province of North Sheepsta has been elected for the Green Party of Sheepsta.

He has argued that Urbanised, his home town should be returned to Sheepsta. He has also called Alecrastians accusations that New Sheepsta contropls the new government as farce, and an attempt to retain Sheepstan land.

The first act of the new government was to unite the Armed Forces of Sheepsta into a Unified Army.

++++Election Reuslts+++++
Lower House: 1000 seats

Green Party : 510 seats
Democratic Party: 230 seats
Socialist Party: 200 seats
Conservative Party: 50 seats
Unification Party: 4 seats
Anti- Alecrast Party: 1 seat
Not voted for (due to Urbanised crisis): 5 seats

Upper House: 100 seats
Green Party: 45 seats
Democratic Party: 35 seats
Conservative Party: 15 seats
Socialist Party: 5 seats

Governments of the Provinces

North Sheepsta: Green Party with 55%
South Sheepsta: Democratic Party: 52 %
New Sheepsta : Green - Conservative Coaltion : 50.01%

[Giovanni Wine]

The Wine Prime Minister: The Grand Duke Francesco Morelli is glad to see that the unfied sheepsta government elected the Green Party into power, as the Green Party is also the biggest party in the Kingdom of Wine.

Saluti

OOC: Great to have Poly back

[Sheep]

We call upon the judges of the court to sit the case of Urbanised as it too is part of Sheepsta on the island and is still defended practicaly occupied by Alecrast.

[Drogue]

Green party

[ceroomaster]

It pleases the government of Ceroo that a the new Sheppsta government was elected via democratic means.

Although it seams Ceroo would have prefered a more centrist-style of government such as the Democratic Party; according to sources outside the government

OCC:
Completely OCC & slightly OT, but:

Green Party - boo!
(I'm referring to the Welsh Green Party here folks!)

Whilst I'm all for looking after the environment, when I spoke to the Green Party candidate for the Assembly Government elections (in Wales JIC nobody knows where I'm from), he didn't have a blooming clue, it came accross that their policies were poorly-thought out and they were relying on winning the lottery 15 times (or something similar) because their maths was questionable. I do like talking with some politicians.

/OCC nonsense

[Drogue]

I agree with that. I have little respect for the British Green Party, especially their digs at Joschka Fischer, for 'selling-out'. However, in principle, I agree with them. I am all for environmental issues and regulations, but some of the people who are Green Party members make me wonder sometimes.

[Sheep]

President Nigel Stillman has announced that Urbanised is now part of Unified Sheepsta. The take over of the port was completed with SSS units. It was later to be found that indeed the entire crisis was unfounded as Alecrast was backing another Port Urbanised in a far off land.

occ: What you did was godmodding Archic and I shall put a stop to it. Leave me alone and give me my nation back, that means the puppets you tried to create too.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
We call upon the judges of the court to sit the case of Urbanised as it too is part of Sheepsta on the island and is still defended practicaly occupied by Alecrast.

Emphasis mine.

Fires Ignore Cannons at Sheep God-Modding

Originally posted by Sheep
President Nigel Stillman has announced that Urbanised is now part of Unified Sheepsta. The take over of the port was completed with SSS units. It was later to be found that indeed the entire crisis was unfounded as Alecrast was backing another Port Urbanised in a far off land.

occ: What you did was godmodding Archic and I shall put a stop to it. Leave me alone and give me my nation back, that means the puppets you tried to create too.

Fires Ignore Cannons at Sheep God-Modding

[Sheep]

And I am saying you never ever occupied or Urbanised never di exist. Get a life. I don't want to have to put up with your BS anymore.

[Mr. President]

Those Ignore Cannons are awfully loud . . .

[Sheep]

Arachaic's Urbanised is godmodding. I shall not stand for it while I am blamed for godmodding myself. I am saying this once and for all. Urbanised does not exist. If Arachic wants Urbanised to continue in NS, he can make a new colony of Alecrast away from Sheepsta.

This is what the ignore cannon is for, not drowning out someones rebuttal to your insane and un-co-operative actions.

[Archaic]

Pot calling the kettle black Sheep, pot calling the kettle black. Unless you're willing to turn back the clock and eliminate "New Sheepsta", such that the island is partitioned into the Alecrast and Bulbagarden protectorates which have the intention to move soon with Bulbagarden needing to move out, you have no right to criticise my actions when you did them yourself, then went and got them ratified as being alright by the court.

[Sheep]

Like I said diffrent cirumstances and proved them in the court. The fact that whgat I did in normal circumstances would be wrong doesn't escape me. Your forget a lot, when you try and act so smart don;t you. Perhaps its time to start paying attention to what others have to say, you may get futher.\

BTW what took you so long? I had to wait 5 minutes to hear this tripe? Your standards are dropping!

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Like I said diffrent cirumstances and proved them in the court. The fact that whgat I did in normal circumstances would be wrong doesn't escape me. Your forget a lot, when you try and act so smart don;t you. Perhaps its time to start paying attention to what others have to say, you may get futher.\

You didn't prove a thing in the court, and we both know it. You only won the vote because people voted against Archaic, instead of voting like a Sheepstan citizen.

Originally posted by Sheep
BTW what took you so long? I had to wait 5 minutes to hear this tripe? Your standards are dropping!

For someone who's so quick to yell "Real Life" as an excuse whenever he's too slow and loses out on something, you don't really consider it with others, do you? FYI, I'm on a 56k connection for this weekend, and I have an assignment on how the free markets can satisfy social goals (And yes Sheep, they can, despite socialist claims to the contrary) to type for Thursday.

And frankly, I welcome the break. If I'm typing tripe to you, well, you're not even plankton.

[Sheep]

plankton, is that supposed to insult me . Your right though I didn;t prove **** in the court, Jack did, thanks for correcting me there.

If everyone is so against you in your eyes why don't you take a good look at the way you apporach things. Perhaps you take them to seriously, perhaps you have pissed off too many people because of your never-can be wrong attitude, perhaps its your use of large and meaningless words that only people with a university degree would know of let alone think about using in speech.

I however wish you luck on your assignment. No matter how much you have pissed me off I can still hold no grudge against you, mainly because I am too good for that. Even though we do not agree very often.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
plankton, is that supposed to insult me . Your right though I didn;t prove **** in the court, Jack did, thanks for correcting me there.

Neither you nor your proxy proved anything.

Originally posted by Sheep
If everyone is so against you in your eyes why don't you take a good look at the way you apporach things. Perhaps you take them to seriously, perhaps you have pissed off too many people because of your never-can be wrong attitude, perhaps its your use of large and meaningless words that only people with a university degree would know of let alone think about using in speech.

So in other words, your arguement is....

"You're a big meanie"

If people have developed an Anti-Archaic mental block that hinders their rational judgement in the court, then they shouldn't be in the court. I see that you ruled Centralis out of the court decisions just because he had said some things against you, even though he had been critical of my troops moving in anyway. I can take the heat Sheep. I can take it when people disagree with me, so long as they offer a rational arguement for it. You just whinge.

Originally posted by Sheep
I however wish you luck on your assignment. No matter how much you have pissed me off I can still hold no grudge against you, mainly because I am too good for that. Even though we do not agree very often.

Don't you just love how this guy keeps trying to claim the moral high ground? Newsflash Sheep. Just because you try to play good cop to my bad cop doesn't mean your actions are right.


The gauntlet has been dropped Sheep. Accept my challenge in the other thread to take this matter to the World Court on the Nationstates forums, or admit that you are wrong, and aren't willing to have this matter decided upon by someone without an Anti-me bias.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Archaic
You didn't prove a thing in the court, and we both know it. You only won the vote because people voted against Archaic, instead of voting like a Sheepstan citizen.

In your opinion. I think most who voted voted as Sheepstan citizens, and wanted to be united. Considering how left many here are, I am not surprised they chose a dictator over a corporate bordello, whether that was wise or not. I admit people do seem to vote against you, because it is you. However, just to brand any election you lose as people voting wrongly is a little too far IMHO. I personally voted as a Sheepstan citizen, and I think others did (as your forwarded PM conversation with Wine showed). Maybe not all did, but then, I still feel it was the best method, and better than a completely RP election.

Originally posted by Archaic
If people have developed an Anti-Archaic mental block that hinders their rational judgement in the court, then they shouldn't be in the court. I see that you ruled Centralis out of the court decisions just because he had said some things against you,

I agree, justices should be impartial. However I was all for Centralis not being a judge for that trial, as he had placed forces on one side, and he was hardly impartial. He was involved, and thus not suitable to judge it. That is why I prefer judges to reserve judgement until the courtroom, and any that don't, can be asked not to serve in that trial. He ruled Centralis out because he had troops in Sheepsta.

North Sheepsta was hardly in the spirit of the rule about not making old nations back again. It was obvious you were trying to annoy Sheep. Indeed, now we are backl to the original state, where Sheepsta is controlled by Sheep, as he started it, you then try to take a port? Quite simply, I don't see why Urbanised is any part of Sheepsta. I say it is somewhere else, since Sheepsta is a unified and complete nation (just look at the map, they area is already chosen by Sheepsta). Yes Sheep has god-modded, as have you. I propose you both stop. If you want to go to war, then do it, although I would advise against it, but this stealth war and god-modding is just an excuse to have a go at each other.

Sheep: Can you just ignore the whole Urbanised thing. Archaic is welcome to state his new nation, but just state that it isn't in Sheepsta (which you can, as Sheepsta is your nation, and already has its position on the map) and then ignore the whole RP about it.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Drogue

In your opinion. I think most who voted voted as Sheepstan citizens, and wanted to be united. Considering how left many here are, I am not surprised they chose a dictator over a corporate bordelloether that was wise or not. I admit people do seem to vote against you, because it is you. However, just to brand any election you lose as people voting wrongly is a little too far IMHO. I personally voted as a Sheepstan citizen, and I think others did (as your forwarded PM conversation with Wine showed). Maybe not all did, but then, I still feel it was the best method, and better than a completely RP election.

Emphasis mine

Thank you for practically admitting that you knew the vote would go against me because people would not truly vote as Sheepstan citizens, but as themselves, with their own personal biases against me.

As for the unification, you refused to have the poll options such that there would be an option for a United Sheepsta as an Alecrast protectorate when I brought it to your attention. Indeed, you never even consulted me over what my option should be in the first place.

Originally posted by Drogue
I agree, justices should be impartial. However I was all for Centralis not being a judge for that trial, as he had placed forces on one side, and he was hardly impartial. He was involved, and thus not suitable to judge it. That is why I prefer judges to reserve judgement until the courtroom, and any that don't, can be asked not to serve in that trial. He ruled Centralis out because he had troops in Sheepsta.

You've only proved your impartiality, or lack thereof, concerning me with your double standards.

Originally posted by Drogue
North Sheepsta was hardly in the spirit of the rule about not making old nations back again. It was obvious you were trying to annoy Sheep. Indeed, now we are backl to the original state, where Sheepsta is controlled by Sheep, as he started it, you then try to take a port? Quite simply, I don't see why Urbanised is any part of Sheepsta. I say it is somewhere else, since Sheepsta is a unified and complete nation (just look at the map, they area is already chosen by Sheepsta). Yes Sheep has god-modded, as have you. I propose you both stop. If you want to go to war, then do it, although I would advise against it, but this stealth war and god-modding is just an excuse to have a go at each other.

I see lots of crying here that "Archaic is a meanie", and no real arguement. My position was legitimate, and still is. As for Urbanised, you've got two choices. Either it is legitimate, as was Sheeps New Sheepsta, or NEITHER Urbanised and New Sheepata were legitimate. Anything else would be applying double standards.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Archaic
Thank you for practically admitting that you knew the vote would go against me because people would not truly vote as Sheepstan citizens, but as themselves, with their own personal biases against me.

No, that is admitting that they believe that a corrupt dictator is better than a corporate bordello, and that, as Sheepstan citizens, they would rather live in such. This is how you believe you dont god-mod. You say thinks like, practically admitted as such, when actually you have failed to grasp what was meant. They voted as Sheepstan Citizens, that they would rather be unified with New Sheepsta, and be under a corrupt dictator, than be a protectorate of a corporate bordello. That is what the people wanted, deal with it.

Originally posted by Archaic
As for the unification, you refused to have the poll options such that there would be an option for a United Sheepsta as an Alecrast protectorate when I brought it to your attention. Indeed, you never even consulted me over what my option should be in the first place.

Since New Sheepsta wasn't the issue, you cannot unite sheepsta under Alecrast. That was not what the trial was about. It was about control of North and South Sheepsta, not about control of New Sheepsta. Your option? The options given were court options, and how we ruled. None of them belonged to you. We could have decided who had control ourselves, since that would have been well within our power. We could have just stated what we wanted.

Originally posted by Archaic
You've only proved your impartiality, or lack thereof, concerning me with your double standards.

What standards have I applied to you and not to him? Do you claim to even know what my standards are? I don't like god-modding, and I have said the same to Sheep. However, with this, you have been far worse, and done far more, all because you don't like him. Why aim it all at Sheep, some personal vendetta? You have been at him since the start, and have tried to take his nations, then god-mod him out of them. I have one set of standards, but you have broken them, not him.

Originally posted by Archaic
I see lots of crying here that "Archaic is a meanie", and no real arguement. My position was legitimate, and still is. As for Urbanised, you've got two choices. Either it is legitimate, as was Sheeps New Sheepsta, or NEITHER Urbanised and New Sheepata were legitimate. Anything else would be applying double standards.

No it wouldn't be. You obviosuly are suffering from tunnel vision. Sheepsta started out, in RP, as Sheeps nation. You took it with North and South Sheepsta. Now he has it back, you try to take it again with Urbanised. The difference between Urbaniseed and New Sheepsta, is that Sheepsta, the island, is his, in RP, and started as his. His island, you took it, and are taking it again. He did not god-mod with New Sheepsta, since it was his nation his was modding with (geographically). Geographically, in RP, non of Sheepsta was ever yours. North and South Sheepsta were just you trying to take his nation. You lost the case, get over it, and stop trying to take Sheepsta from him. Urbanised is not in Sheepsta, as that would be god-modding. Sheepsta was Sheeps, and thus he is not god-modding when he claims it.

[Sheep]

Originally posted by Drogue
Sheep: Can you just ignore the whole Urbanised thing. Archaic is welcome to state his new nation, but just state that it isn't in Sheepsta (which you can, as Sheepsta is your nation, and already has its position on the map) and then ignore the whole RP about it.

Yeah that was what I am trying to get at. Urbanised is a ntion, I agree with that. However is it anywhere near Sheepsta, No I don;t think so. I mean most Sheepstans think Urbanised is the name of a small port where the President comes from, not a nation, and even then Urbanised isn;t what you call a large city, more like a fishing settlement.

[Sheep]

Originally posted by Drogue
No it wouldn't be. You obviosuly are suffering from tunnel vision. Sheepsta started out, in RP, as Sheeps nation. You took it with North and South Sheepsta. Now he has it back, you try to take it again with Urbanised. The difference between Urbaniseed and New Sheepsta, is that Sheepsta, the island, is his, in RP, and started as his. His island, you took it, and are taking it again. He did not god-mod with New Sheepsta, since it was his nation his was modding with (geographically). Geographically, in RP, non of Sheepsta was ever yours. North and South Sheepsta were just you trying to take his nation. You lost the case, get over it, and stop trying to take Sheepsta from him. Urbanised is not in Sheepsta, as that would be god-modding. Sheepsta was Sheeps, and thus he is not god-modding when he claims it.

It is sim[ply because of this that I would like the passwords to North and South Sheepsta so I can continue to RP them into the Unfied Sheepsta that I enviosn.

After all RP means a lot to you don;t it Archaic?