Favourite MtG cards? - Page 4

Ben Kenobi · May 23, 2003, 14:48

Panda:

I'll post the thread, MtG rules and rule questions.

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Whenever Exalted Angel deals damage,

Now all we need is a way to channel damage from exalted Angel.

UR:

Mostly I use dual lands and a few of the triplet lands with gemstone mines and city of brass.

City of brass especially becuase I need the speed before the life.

So with 4 gemstone mines, and a city of brass and a few dual lands, I generally don't have mana problems.

I need more worldly tutors so that I get the slivers I need.

IW:

How does the onslaught deck deal with crystalline sliver and the regeneration sliver? If I need to, I can generally block whatever I need.

Urban Ranger · May 23, 2003, 23:21

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Originally posted by Panda
If you think Jareth's a buff, check out Exalted Angel, the most sought after card in Onslaught Block:

Exalted Angel
{4}{W}{W}
Creature - Angel
4/5
Flying. Whenever Exalted Angel deals damage, you gain that much life. Morph 2WW (You may play this face down as a 2/2 creature for 3. Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)

Note that Exalted Angel doesn't require damage to be "combat damage".

I am not sure if this is better than the Serra Angel. Attacking without tapping is quite a vicious ability.

loinburger · May 23, 2003, 23:51

Yeah, Serra Angels were always the rule of the day when the other guy had his deck packed with Royal Assassins.

thinkingamer · May 24, 2003, 00:36

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger

Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Nasty. Vicious.

It could block one of those colossus things without dying.

The only thing to do is to play Mana Short, followed by Control Magic.

Sorry, it doesn't work; provably, the guy will respond, by tapping all his plains and give Jareth protection of the colors of his opponent.

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Originally posted by Panda

... Chainer's Edict, Diabolic Edict, Innocent Blood, Mutilate, Wrath of God, Evacuation, and probably many more.

I actually played against this in the pre-release, but the one time my oppo had this is hand he couldn't get the triple-white mana necessary until too late.

If you think Jareth's a buff, check out Exalted Angel, the most sought after card in Onslaught Block:

Exalted Angel
{4}{W}{W}
Creature - Angel
4/5
Flying. Whenever Exalted Angel deals damage, you gain that much life. Morph 2WW (You may play this face down as a 2/2 creature for 3. Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)

Note that Exalted Angel doesn't require damage to be "combat damage".

I think the EA is more popular than Jareth, because it is much more flexible, (Morph 2WW ) and more doble/triple color deck friendly. With its built in spirit link ability, this angel is better overall than Serra Angel IMHO. But unlike Jarreth, Exalted Angel will be much easier to kill (don't you hate, when your shivan dragon is removed by simple spells such as terror?).

If you give Serra Embrace to Jareth, this creature will be unbeatable except with spells like Wrath of God.

Serra Embrace:

{cost (2)ww}
Enchant Creature

"enchanted creature gets +2/+2, flying and attacking w/ the enchanted creature won't tap it.

Urban Ranger · May 24, 2003, 08:04

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Originally posted by thinkingamer
Sorry, it doesn't work; provably, the guy will respond, by tapping all his plains and give Jareth protection of the colors of his opponent.

You can't. Mana Short is an instant. Instants resolve in FIFO fashion.

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Originally posted by thinkingamer
With its built in spirit link ability, this angel is better overall than Serra Angel IMHO.

I suppose that depends on the deck construction.

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Originally posted by thinkingamer
But unlike Jarreth, Exalted Angel will be much easier to kill (don't you hate, when your shivan dragon is removed by simple spells such as terror?).

Well, if you construct your deck around the Exalted Angel, you probably put in some sort of protection in the deck, like black wards.

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Originally posted by thinkingamer
Serra Embrace:

{cost (2)ww}
Enchant Creature

"enchanted creature gets +2/+2, flying and attacking w/ the enchanted creature won't tap it.

Ouch, that's nasty too.

Immortal Wombat · May 24, 2003, 17:24

Yes. I hate that card. In fact, I hate anything with the name "Serra" on it. Even in the flavour text usually. .

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Originally posted by obiwan18
IW:
How does the onslaught deck deal with crystalline sliver and the regeneration sliver? If I need to, I can generally block whatever I need.

Which Onslaught deck?
Crystalline Sliver I've never met. I'd just pray I got out enough blockers, and then flame the player direct.
"regeneration sliver": you mean Crypt Sliver? That's one scary MF as well.

DinoDoc · May 24, 2003, 20:36

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Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Which Onslaught deck?

I think he means your invasion deck.

PS What would be a good replacement for the crappy Mistform Dreamer/Sliver I got in the precon deck I bought.

Ben Kenobi · May 24, 2003, 21:12

Crystalline sliver is the heart and soul of my deck.

See if I can find a pic.

Ben Kenobi · May 24, 2003, 21:18

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"regeneration sliver": you mean Crypt Sliver?

No, I mean the clot sliver from Tempest. Couldn't remember the name. 1B for a 1/1 sliver that regenerates. Just a common.

Mr. President · May 24, 2003, 22:01

The easiest answer to Jareth (or any dominating creature) is Wrath of God. Unfortunately you have to be playing white for that. Red has some alternatives like Obliterate and Apocalypse; Scourge gives it the awesomely-named Decree of Annihilation.

If I can somehow get my hands on one, I'll play with it just for the name!

DinoDoc · May 24, 2003, 22:18

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Originally posted by Mr. President
If I can somehow get my hands on one, I'll play with it just for the name!

You strike me as a person that is going to be playing Big Creatures so why not get Torrent of Fire?

DinoDoc · May 24, 2003, 22:20

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Originally posted by obiwan18
No, I mean the clot sliver from Tempest. Couldn't remember the name. 1B for a 1/1 sliver that regenerates. Just a common.

Crypt Sliver is better.

Mr. President · May 24, 2003, 22:27

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
You strike me as a person that is going to be playing Big Creatures so why not get Torrent of Fire?

I should, actually. Some of the recent card names are really, really good.

I'll throw in "Day of the Dragons", and be set for about a year!

DinoDoc · May 24, 2003, 22:32

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Originally posted by Mr. President
I'll throw in "Day of the Dragons", and be set for about a year!

Form of the Dragon would be more up your alley.

thinkingamer · May 24, 2003, 23:39

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
You can't. Mana Short is an instant. Instants resolve in FIFO fashion.

Isn't tapping mana source supposed to be faster than an instant? I really dont know 7th edition rules, and I used to play 5th edition rules. And what is FIFO?

Urban Ranger · May 24, 2003, 23:46

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Originally posted by thinkingamer
Isn't tapping mana source supposed to be faster than an instant? I really dont know 7th edition rules, and I used to play 5th edition rules.

No idea. Now all instants resolves LIFO anyway. Bah.

SnowFire · May 25, 2003, 00:05

Re: Mana Short vs. Jareth?

In response to casting Mana Short, you can tap mana. This is kind of important being that if you wanted to, say, counter it, it helps to be able to tap mana. So, in response to Mana Short, you can tap white mana and give Jareth prot blue (and burn any more mana on it as you desire).

That said...

I cast Mana Short in your upkeep. You can only play instants or activated abilities in response (since it's not their main phase yet). You give Jareth prot blue in response. Congratulations, I say. You pass the turn without doing anything because you have no mana. On my turn, Jareth's protections are gone (they last until end of turn), and you can cast Control Magic. Unless your opponent was a bastard and had a plains in hand, which he played on his turn after you already tapped his land and emptied his mana. So maybe Shorting him at the end of his turn is safer, although then he can spend his mana on other things during the turn.

thinkingamer · May 25, 2003, 00:07

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Originally posted by SnowFire
Re: Mana Short vs. Jareth?

In response to casting Mana Short, you can tap mana. This is kind of important being that if you wanted to, say, counter it, it helps to be able to tap mana. So, in response to Mana Short, you can tap white mana and give Jareth prot blue (and burn any more mana on it as you desire).

That said...

I cast Mana Short in your upkeep. You can only play instants or activated abilities in response (since it's not their main phase yet). You give Jareth prot blue in response. Congratulations, I say. You pass the turn without doing anything because you have no mana. On my turn, Jareth's protections are gone (they last until end of turn), and you can cast Control Magic. Unless your opponent was a bastard and had a plains in hand, which he played on his turn after you already tapped his land and emptied his mana. So maybe Shorting him at the end of his turn is safer, although then he can spend his mana on other things during the turn.

then, I guess Im correct

thinkingamer · May 25, 2003, 00:12

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Originally posted by thinkingamer

then, I guess Im correct

Wait....I think Im not.......

thinkingamer · May 25, 2003, 00:18

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Originally posted by SnowFire
Re: Mana Short vs. Jareth?

In response to casting Mana Short, you can tap mana. This is kind of important being that if you wanted to, say, counter it, it helps to be able to tap mana. So, in response to Mana Short, you can tap white mana and give Jareth prot blue (and burn any more mana on it as you desire).

That said...

I cast Mana Short in your upkeep. You can only play instants or activated abilities in response (since it's not their main phase yet). You give Jareth prot blue in response. Congratulations, I say. You pass the turn without doing anything because you have no mana. On my turn, Jareth's protections are gone (they last until end of turn), and you can cast Control Magic. Unless your opponent was a bastard and had a plains in hand, which he played on his turn after you already tapped his land and emptied his mana. So maybe Shorting him at the end of his turn is safer, although then he can spend his mana on other things during the turn.

I guess, having a birds of paradise (my fav. green card ever since 4th edition) is the best way to solve this Jareth problem

thinkingamer · May 25, 2003, 00:22

or simply some disenchants

, but gota watch out those counter spells

Immortal Wombat · May 25, 2003, 14:47

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Originally posted by obiwan18
No, I mean the clot sliver from Tempest. Couldn't remember the name. 1B for a 1/1 sliver that regenerates. Just a common.

Ah, ye olde slivers. Not a problem online, there's only the three most recent expansions I think

DinoDoc · May 25, 2003, 15:46

Can someone explain the Ageless Sentinels card to me?

Immortal Wombat · May 25, 2003, 17:08

It's a 4/4 wall. It can't attack, it can fly.

As soon as it blocks for the first time, its creature type changes from a wall to a Giant Bird, which basically just means it can now attack. It also means it can be the target of spells that affect all Giant Birds (Engineered Plague springs to mind, but recent expansions have far more spells that target creature types), and not affected by spells that target walls.

Bit unusual that one.

Urban Ranger · May 25, 2003, 23:05

Of course, it also means that any effects that grants bonuses to birds will also apply.

DinoDoc · May 25, 2003, 23:19

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Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Bit unusual that one.

Yeah I thought it was strange too. I've never seen a wall like that.

Mr. President · May 26, 2003, 01:27

The Sentinels are pretty cool - they turn defense into attack!

The wall I don't like is Sunweb, but that's only because its original art showed a dragon being slain.

Urban Ranger · May 26, 2003, 02:01

Celestial Dawn is definitely one of the top cards. Once you have it out, you can play all your multi-coloured cards to your heart's content.

Ben Kenobi · May 26, 2003, 02:03

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Isn't tapping mana source supposed to be faster than an instant? I really dont know 7th edition rules, and I used to play 5th edition rules. And what is FIFO?

thinkingamer:

Could you please confine rules discussion to the rules thread, please. Same to snowfire, though thanks for answering the question.

This way people get less confused between the threads.

Ben Kenobi · May 26, 2003, 02:07

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I've never seen a wall like that.

Dinodoc:

Its a remake of a very old card.