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April 26, 2003, 09:39
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I am, like many people here, less leftist in economic issues. I mean, there's no future in the Soviet economic model, for instance (sorry, Tass...  ). OTOH... I'm very leftist when the matter is about human rights, minorities, wars and welfare system. I have to be, I live in a "country under development"...
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April 26, 2003, 10:49
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Aro, what do you mean, leftist on human rights? I am a righty and am very strong on human rights. I consider being pro-democracy and pro-human rights to be a rightist position. At least that's where we are in the US today.
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April 26, 2003, 11:03
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Left-wing, although not in a touchy-feely way.
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April 26, 2003, 11:07
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I also care a great deal about human rights, contrary to what some may believe. And I am a righty too. And it is not always that leftists care about human rights.
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April 26, 2003, 11:41
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Originally posted by Ned
Aro, what do you mean, leftist on human rights? I am a righty and am very strong on human rights. I consider being pro-democracy and pro-human rights to be a rightist position. At least that's where we are in the US today.
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Ned, you're more leftist than you think...
Seriously, it's really tough be a complete left wing or right wing nowadays. The world is very complicated...
Edit: typos, as always...
Last edited by Aro; April 26, 2003 at 11:51.
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April 26, 2003, 12:13
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Fez,
Here in Brazil, the human rights has been exclusively a left wing concern. You know, we had a dictatorship till 20 years ago...
Anyway, I am more a humanist than any other thing. I believe in reason and intelligence to solve problems.
A little naive, isn't?
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April 26, 2003, 12:29
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French...
And Communist.
The horror ! 
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April 26, 2003, 14:03
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Originally posted by Spiffor
French...
And Communist.
The horror !
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I always thought it would be the Horror to be a communist in America (thinking of McCarthy and Co)
Never considered France to be Anti Communist
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April 26, 2003, 14:07
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Originally posted by Proteus_MST
I always thought it would be the Horror to be a communist in America (thinking of McCarthy and Co)
Never considered France to be Anti Communist
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France is not anticommunist at all. I'm just imagining a French communist would be the nightmare of any Yank 
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April 26, 2003, 14:08
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Che is a communist in America  .
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April 26, 2003, 14:13
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Leftist radical (anarcho-syndicalist). 
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April 26, 2003, 14:21
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Far right on many issues, left economical, and I used to be for the greens
My sister is an ultra liberal (Thatcher style)  and she used to be a socialist....
Our mother must be so proud of us  (she's a commie)
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April 26, 2003, 14:24
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Hmmmm, I wonder.
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April 26, 2003, 14:26
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August :
Family meetings must be sooooooooo lovely for you. I'm sure Christmas is always the time to rejoice and cheer together in your family
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April 26, 2003, 14:40
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Well, most of the discussions at family meetings are between my mother and my grandfather. ( he thinks Hitler was great because he fought against the communists and he is against democracy )
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April 26, 2003, 15:05
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Next time, please record the whole thing. The world must know ! 
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April 26, 2003, 16:40
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Originally posted by August Borms
Far right on many issues, left economical, and I used to be for the greens
My sister is an ultra liberal (Thatcher style) and she used to be a socialist....
Our mother must be so proud of us (she's a commie)
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Umm, Thatcher shouldn't be described as a liberal...
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April 26, 2003, 16:42
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That's right, she should be described as HOT SEXY WOMANBEAST!
Err...
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April 26, 2003, 16:42
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RJ :
Do you Brits use the same terminology as the Yanks ? I thought "liberal" meant "free-marketer" everywhere in the English-speaking world except the US ? Am I wrong ?
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April 26, 2003, 16:43
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Well, you know the 51st state of America...
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"That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world
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April 26, 2003, 16:44
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I associate liberals with people who like free-markets, and social freedom. If thats anything to go by.
Thatcher was too authoritarian to be considered iberal.
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April 26, 2003, 16:45
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That's right, she should be described as HOT SEXY WOMANBEAST!
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If that's Thatcher, what's Piia-Noora Kauppi?
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April 26, 2003, 16:45
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She's liberal economically but usually the generalised term 'liberal' means a left-liberal.
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April 26, 2003, 16:49
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Oh, great. Now you got me into my Pia-Noora fantasy again... the one where she tells me I've been a leech to society and then spanks me with a will on a million-dollar inheritance where 900,000 goes to the rich man and 100,000 to the poor man.
Then Tanja Karpela comes in and they mud-wrestle. Whee!
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"That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world
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April 26, 2003, 16:56
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Originally posted by gsmoove23
I'm told I'm far-left but I just think of it as common sense. Me and Rush Limbaugh.
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I'm told I'm far-right but I just think of it as common sense. So you see that your (or my) opinion of your (or my) opinion has no bearing on fact 
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April 26, 2003, 17:07
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really big crunch? I always ascosiated liberal w/ government intervention, universal health care, high taxes, welfare, etc...leading to socialism on the far left.
kinda odd to see it be polar opposite.
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April 26, 2003, 17:14
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King
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Originally posted by Aro
Fez,
Here in Brazil, the human rights has been exclusively a left wing concern. You know, we had a dictatorship till 20 years ago...
Anyway, I am more a humanist than any other thing. I believe in reason and intelligence to solve problems.
A little naive, isn't?
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I am commonly associated with http://www.fnff.org on this forum.
We have had a dictatorship for more than 30 years from 1939-1975. The right wing is often associated with pro-Franco elements in the country which still exist.
I think capitalism and free market solves everything. And I always have thought this way. The freer the market the freer the people.
There are two systems:
Capitalism, or Coercion.
I do not believe in illogical universal health care, or dumb progressive taxation structures... or excessive welfare. None do good for any country.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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April 26, 2003, 17:17
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Prince
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The freer the market the freer the people.
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Except for the poor people, of course.
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April 26, 2003, 17:21
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King
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The poor people are covered by the free market.
You cannot screw over the country for socialism or communism. Pardon my language.. but that is being blunt.
It just won't work.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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April 26, 2003, 17:33
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King
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But free markets left unrestricted eventually become monopolies as businesses eventually destroy the opposition.
The only way to keep markets free is by restricting big business.
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