Greatest upset in history of World Championship hockey? - Page 2

Pekka · April 27, 2003, 15:59

Nice bonus system

. Well what ever happens, they did manage to get victory over the US, so .. that's always nice

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Pekka · April 27, 2003, 16:00

Oh, I made a terrible mistake.. in next rounds there will be 6 teams in both groups, NOT 8.. so 2 will drop.

cinch · April 27, 2003, 16:01

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You can't find it in you to cheer for your western neighbour?

Oh, I suppose... I just wish they weren't playing one of the Yank teams I actually don't mind. If they were playing, say, the Stars, I'd be wearing a Trent Klatt jersey and running pantless through Stanley Park.

Wait... what?

GO 'NUCKS!

Hot Mustard · April 27, 2003, 16:04

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Originally posted by cinch

Oh, I suppose... I just wish they weren't playing one of the Yank teams I actually don't mind. If they were playing, say, the Stars, I'd be wearing a Trent Klatt jersey and running pantless through Stanley Park.

Wait... what?

GO 'NUCKS!

I understand. And at the rate things are going, Vancouver will face another deserving underdog in the next round too.

Ben Kenobi · April 28, 2003, 03:42

Canucks can use all the help they can get.

Oh, and on-topic... no one can tell me that Canadian roster?

Chemical Ollie · April 28, 2003, 06:17

What happened to Canada Cup / World Cup? Was that tournament discontinued after the introduction of dream teams in the Olympics?

Serb · April 28, 2003, 06:47

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Originally posted by Winston
Russia just beat Denmark 6-1.

RUSSIA!!!
RUSSIA!!!
RUSSIA!!!

Serb · April 28, 2003, 06:48

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Originally posted by Winston
You're right Pekka, the USA are out of the World Cup after two defeats, no matter how their game against Russia goes. Holy Moly! USA will have to play three qualifiers to even stay in the A-zone.

Yanks can't play hockey.

JohnT · April 28, 2003, 06:49

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Originally posted by Winston
Just got home and saw that Denmark, in its first appearance in the World Championship ever, beat the US 5-2 in the opening match of their group.

Denmark now leads the group tied with Russia, after their win 5-2 over Switzerland.

Thoughts, reactions, displays of submission from our American friends...?

We have a national hockey team??

JohnT · April 28, 2003, 06:51

I think US reaction can be summed up by the fact that I am the first American to post in this thread.

Pekka · April 28, 2003, 08:47

Yeah sure the US has team there. Of course. Chelios was supposed to come, but then he didn't feel like it after all.. but they have Paul Coffey.. he's always there, like every year. The US team was assembled from mostly rather young players, some average nhl players.. They gave us trouble in our practice game just few days ago, but now they seem to have bad luck. I watched their games, and what I can tell is that they didn't play that bad.. they were more skilled team in both games to my eyes, but they just didn't manage to capitalize on moments, had a bit bad luck too, and for example Denmark scored many times comparing to shots at goal, so goalie wasn't exactly on fire. But everything counts, so bad for the US. Against the Swiss they played pretty OK, but didn't score. They had plenty of opportunities to score, but it seemed like it just wasn't their day. Now they have to play to stay in the A-Pool, which is kind of bad, if they drop.. I don't know if they can play for world cup or olympics if they don't manage to get out of there? Well I'm pretty sure that they're gutted and will come back strong, avoiding pool B.
So my thoughts would be that they had average team (not great), and whole lots of bad luck, maybe lack of motivation too. We're used to see hungry US team, since they are young players mostly, and some nhl players who haven't usually won anything big.. and you're representing your country, so..... They said these games has 500 millin viewers, so you don't want to look too bad. YOu want to win. I don't care if you think it's not the toughest tournament there, but coming there not wanting to win bad enough?.... no excuses IMO. But as I said.. they had lots of bad luck and they didn't play that bad, scoring was a huge problem to them even with all those chances.

Olaf, they still play world cup. It's the most wanted in international scene (therefore excluding stanley cup). It's the toughest international tournament with best players from the US and Canada too. They play it every 4 years, and it's not too long when heads collide!

Obiwan18, I'll dig up Canadian roster for you. Just a minute.

Pekka · April 28, 2003, 08:53

Looks like the official site is down for a while. www.ihwc.net that is. From what I remember, Canadas team is pretty good. They've played good so far, and they're coming strong. I'll post rosters when it gets working again.

Pekka · April 28, 2003, 09:08

OK site working again:
Team Canada

Goalies:

Sean Burke
Roberto Luongo
Martin Biron

Defense:

Craig Rivet
Steve Stasios
Cory Cross
Mathieu Dandenault
Jamie Heward
Jay Bowmeester
Eric Brewer

Forward:

Ryan Smyth
Mike Comrie
Krys Kolanos
Kris Draper
Steven Reinprecht
Anson Carter
Shane Doan
Kirk Maltby
Kyle Calder
Dany Heatley
Patrick Marleau
Shawn Horcoff
Daniel Briere
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http://live98.ihwc.net/english/teams....ihwc?team=CAN

You can see their birthdates, teams, etc.

There are also players like Forsberg, Sundin, Zetterberg, Salo for Sweden. Palffy, Satan, Bondra for Slovakia..
Selänne, Koivu, Jokinen for Finland.. Straka, Reichel, Hejduk (coming soon) for Czech team.. just to name few.
It's definitely high level tournament and everyone wants to win. Go to that site to check out more rosters, statistics and what not.

Winston · April 28, 2003, 09:46

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Originally posted by JohnT
I think US reaction can be summed up by the fact that I am the first American to post in this thread.

While I agree with Pekka's post above on the US team's performance, you may have a point wrt the interest taken in this thread by Americans.

Many more of your countrymen responded to my thread when Greenland beat the US twice in the Pan-American Handball Ch'ships recently.

Just thought I'd mention it once again.

Pekka, I got the impression obiwan18 was after the Canadian roster from the 1949 47-0 win.

As if that's even interesting so many years later.

JohnT · April 28, 2003, 10:10

We lost to Greenland? In handball??

That's a national outrage!!!

Pekka · April 28, 2003, 10:43

Winston, really? well that one I can't dig up !

Chemical Ollie · April 28, 2003, 11:04

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Originally posted by Pekka
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Olaf, they still play world cup. It's the most wanted in international scene (therefore excluding stanley cup). It's the toughest international tournament with best players from the US and Canada too. They play it every 4 years, and it's not too long when heads collide!

Last time was 1996, next time is 2004. That's an 8-year break. I remember the semi- or quarter final sudden death thriller Sweden-Canada where Sweden hit the goal post just one minute before Canada finally scored in the 5th period. That was a tough one.

http://www3.telus.net/worldcuphockey/

The Olympic dream teams have mostly been embarrassing for all but the Chech Republic. But they had only 2 players who did all the work. Jagr who made the goals and Hasek who blocked the other teams from scoring.

SpencerH · April 28, 2003, 11:07

When England beat India in 1952.

Oh.................. you mean the game played on ice!

Pekka · April 28, 2003, 11:17

Olaf, is it really that long? HMm... I'm not sure then about what system they have..

Pekka · April 28, 2003, 14:32

12-0 for us.. Nice. Next one to be destroyed is Czecks.. That remains to be seen day over tomorrow, they have a good team.

Winston · April 28, 2003, 15:27

12-0, nice...

Don't wet yourself in excitement now Pekka.

Congrats!

mapfi · April 28, 2003, 16:50

Just for those who haven't realized it yet - the Swiss hockey team won 1-0 (the American team had one goal not counted though, unjustified...)

Pekka · April 28, 2003, 16:56

They sure did. Both Switzerland and Denmark will advance..

Winston · April 29, 2003, 11:28

Denmark-Switzerland 2-6.

The Swiss were sharper on their offensive and played better overall. So it was a fair result IMO.

So Denmark finishes 3rd in the group and will carry no points to the next stage.

Still,

for even advancing from the group play.

Winston · May 2, 2003, 16:25

*Bump*

and

Just heard the result of Denmark's first match in the qualifying stage:

Canada-Denmark: 2-2!!!

This is even more of a surprise than the 5-2 victory over USA in the preliminaries.

Go Denmark!

Pekka · May 2, 2003, 16:29

Denmark is really taking top teams by surprise..
And Canada has a good team, and they've been playing good too, beating the Swedes etc..

raghar · May 2, 2003, 16:42

I think that teams were lazy. Just Denmark why would we bother.
I would rather seen Japanese matches. It must be cruel.

raghar · May 2, 2003, 16:47

It would be interesting. Slowakians, czecks, russia, and denmark on first four places.

Winston · May 2, 2003, 19:14

Good, comprehensive story from The Toronto Star on the 2-2 tie between Canada and Denmark.

Apparently, Denmark scored 2 in 21 seconds towards the end of the first period, and then defended with all they got for the rest of the match.

kmad · May 2, 2003, 19:18

You know the US team is brutal this year, they have not won a single game.. that's hardly an upset.

Biggest upset would be US over Russia in 1980 or Belarus over Sweden in 2002.