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Old April 27, 2003, 12:28   #61
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Old April 27, 2003, 12:28   #62
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the sanctions on Austria were plain silly and counterproductive.
Were? Aren't they still going on?
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I don't recall the sanctions on Haider's Austria, but I recall the sanctions on UK bovines.


While the embargo on UK bovines was absolutely legitimate (huge public health issue),
Sanctions is the wrong word here. It was more a public health action than an economic co-ercion. The UK voted for the ban and IIRC the EU paid the majority of the compensation to the effected UK farmers.

Before that though it was the French who unilaterally imposed an illegal ban on British beef, without EU approval.
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Thier economy isn't doing that well right now. That's the reason for the fear they exhibit.
They should stop being so socialist. And stop using striking as a sport. And get rid of the 35 hour work week.
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No offense Slowwy, but I don't think your boycott of Mercedes was all your choice.
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Old April 27, 2003, 12:32   #66
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They should stop being so socialist. And stop using striking as a sport. And get rid of the 35 hour work week.
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We French usually get this **** only from former colonized people, and we usually don't listen, so we aren't used to it yet Especially since it seems to come only from the US. I am not aware of a change of sympathies towards France in any other country.

I also don't think there will be official trade sanctions. Partly because the **** must not hit the fan, partly because France belongs to the EU, and it is impossible to officially aim for specific national imports from within the EU. I suspect the American reaction has become a tool in our domestic politics, which explains its boasted importance : Chirac is losing popularity, and left-wing parties are happy with it (they couldn't criticize Chirac as long as he was anti-war). Business men stir the fear of losses in the US to get more opportunities and more pro-business policy to "compensate" the loss, etc.

I think the most important administration-led consequences will be opposition to France's African policy, its ousting from the Iraqi loot (obviously), and a general lowering of its role in any organization that limits US sovereignity.

Edit : about the sanctions, I think most French people remain against, as they are against for a very long time now. Chirac has to take care about this issue : left wing parties would jump at his throat if he favors too openly the lengthening of sanctions.
This is interesting.

Umm...I'm not saying get used to the abuse like you will get it from everybody. Just take your turn. We have to hear all the time, "yankee go home". It is always easier and seems almost fitting to pick on the top dog. When I was in grade school, I went through a stage of picking fistfights with the tallest boy in the class and actually thought I was in the right to do so...
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And you should change your avatar.
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To what?
I donno. Something more pleasant. That goth gamer crap needs to go. How about something related to law or to Mississippi or to dinodocs?
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Keep Dr Doom, DD. it matches your personality best !
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i will go to texas waiving a french flag to see what happens
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I donno. Something more pleasant. That goth gamer crap needs to go. How about something related to law or to Mississippi or to dinodocs?
Find me a decent picture of Grimlock and I'll change.
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NZ stood up to the US nearly 20 years ago over nuclear weapons and we still can't get free trade. Looks like it'll be a while before you get free trade
Yup, anyway the FTA that we have with Japan, EU and Korea are more important to Chile due to the volume of commercial exchange.
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Oh but seriously, what could be those Consequences?

The consequences are a concerted and deliberate effort to reduce French influence on the world stage.
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How ?

And in concert with whom ?
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I'm really curious about the consequences. I read today, that South Carolina already passed a boycott versus France, but stopped it, as they found out, that a France company is the biggest employer in Sout Carolina.

I wished I could have seen the look on their faces!

Especially since the dumb crackers (and most other people) don't realize it's a Belgian company. Do they think the ****ing Ivory Coast is somewhere on the English Channel because the name has French words in it?

FN is a Belgian company, not French.
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How ?

And in concert with whom ?


Well, for instance, only working through the Defense Policy Cmte. of NATO, which excludes France.

We need not be in concert with anyone. We would just not use any diplomatic or military tools where France has a say about how it's all done.
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Especially since the dumb crackers (and most other people) don't realize it's a Belgian company. Do they think the ****ing Ivory Coast is somewhere on the English Channel because the name has French words in it?

FN is a Belgian company, not French.
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I have a question. When did France try to build that nuclear power plant in I raq, and when were they selling them small arms? If it was inbetween Desert Storm and The other "war" that has such a dumb name Im not going to mention it, then they were asking for all the heat that they're getting now.
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It was way before desert storm IIRC, when Saddam was buddy-buddy with everyone except Khomeini.
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